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Not sure what field you’re in but in UX / Product Design, I find collaboration invaluable. It has very little to do with the vision of an individual designer and everything to do with what best facilitates the user get their job done. Egos best left at the door.
- This is likely why designers think UX is bullshit.monNom
- *not saying you or your job are bullshit, just that UX has this stigma for some, and that approach is likely part of why.monNom
- What are the issues with that approach do you think?mort_
- I understand it’s very different from say album cover design, which is more art than design. But the two disciples aren’t competing with each other.mort_
- * disciplinesmort_
- Precisely. I think UX is probably closer to engineering in it's design approach. If you are designing album covers, that is completely foreign to your thinking.monNom
- This is why I fear collab design tools. I don't need the team to track my mouse courser and see I'm not doing anything for a good 40mins...shapesalad
- any workplace what uses employee activity tracking shall be burned down.sted
- Yeah I totally see how something artful (I won't say creative because both fields are creative in different ways) would benefit from a single person's vision.mort_
i think it's a matter of expertise. having a team of five art directors is a goddamned nightmare, but a team with an art director, a programmer, a fabricator, an electrical engineer, and a sculptor just makes me horny to think about
I think if we all come together to brainstorm this whole teamwork problem, we'll come to a satisfactory answer, together.
I totally get the benefits of working with teams etc. I get the thrill of working with a great team as well.
But just stop for a minute and think about what you are sacrificing by cramming yourselves into your kanban boards, stand-ups, etc.
The methods you take on are there to make you a frictionless component. Knowing how to take action and make things becomes your value. Even if you have your own vision—that is for someone else to put forth somewhere up the hierarchy.
That's why I hate teamwork. 99% of the time it's synthetic and the output is not satisfying. The artistry is gone.
- Like I said, seems like you haven't worked in the right team, thus your hate towards a broken collaboration systemgrafician
- I'm open to being proved wrong, but m not going to go out of my way proving myself wrong. That's a Teamy-type's problem.cannonball1978
I've had moments like that but have also worked in teams, especially with videographers that were fantastic. I'm in motion graphics so most of my work is a solo effort anyway. When I get to collaborate it's more of an exception, so it feels like a novelty.
- Usually freelancers collaborating as a team do the best work so yeahgrafician
- I've been freelancing for more that a year. There are times I have someone else doing video editing which is nice since I prefer animation.CyBrainX
- Double down on your strong points and call a friend when you're out of your league
good work gets done when nobody cares who gets the creditgrafician
... if you ain't captain
At the end of a 16 month project. With now 19 people involved in teams spanning multiple time zones on both sides, running the contact sometimes requires to wake up Saturday at 3:30-4:30.
Today I'm done with this after 2.5 hours spent on checking the weekly tasks, going trough the schedule/availability for next month, a recap on an emergency situation what highlighted a problem, zoom our C guy who is in SA while having a really good laugh and getting non-demanding work done.
I enjoy this kind of teamwork.
- We both manage our team fully in line, nothing went sideways, budget didn't run out of hand, stakeholders are happy so far.sted
- Honesty at this moment I have no idea, nor care how people feel about cooperating with the other side or with each other, because things are running smooth.sted
- and i went word shitting heh
- You enjoy waking up Saturdays at 3AM to do more work
Must see ^
- 100 years go we dream of 2021 being a time when we work a few hours, and robots and computers etc could do it all for us. Instead this.shapesalad
- As time has moved forward, tech advanced: We've replaced real work - hands making stuff from stuff out of the ground - with koi's, zoom meetings,, emails andshapesalad
- bullshit business speak. Nothing meaning full is actually done. Now we shift 0's & 1's around hard disks. All filler, as tech has replaced the graft.shapesalad
He need some milk
Before we get back to the office in March they're being turned into collaboration spaces and other wank words that make my face peel off from rolling my eyes at the speed of light. I don't want to collaborate. Collaborate means talking instead of getting it done, so when does it get done?
Agreed. I want all the glory for myself.
@cannonball1978 Could not agree more!
Certain work, certain projects, yes - cross discipline collaboration can work, when team members are experts within their fields and there's absolutely no overlap in terms of skills, and the team is 100% doers - no chin waggers.
Otherwise, rather than have 10 peoples time on a project, give all that time to one person.
Meanwhile for the adults working in teams it's Prosecco Friday starting at 5...
- enjoy! see if you can push through right into the bottomless brunch in the AM. Take Rennies though.fadein11
- Cheers, but have no clue what you just said
And by the look of QBN you guys never played well in teams anywaygrafician
- Can I have a stout beer instead?CyBrainX
- You know what's up
- Prosecco is gross. Get a life.cannonball1978
ah one more: if you hate team work you haven't worked with the right team yet