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- cherub2
grafician said:
"That's just a screenshot to show that even generated NFTs can be saved"
Only you didn't save anything... OOPS
You only exposed the code, part of which is needed for the NFT to render. Do you think this NFT only requires 1 file to render? LOL
Finding the code ≠ "haha I saved this NFT and now it plays fine for me same as the real one"
ok, then show me it rendering for you on your hard drive. this is easy, c'mon mate
after you finish with that easy task, then the logical next step is for you to put on a javascript clinic for us all since you are so good at this.
Give us a lecture on p5js and its relationship to javascript in the context of processing, the original project. While you're at it, throw in something about shaders, three.js, glsl, cables, and best practices for rendering all these on mobile. GOT IT?
Everybody ready to hear some words of wisdom from grafician?
Go on then.
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- Go on, prove how you own That Thing.Nairn
- ...and you've hit on a very important point nairn. You don't "own" an NFT in the usual sense. You "own" it in the NFT sense. (which is radically different)cherub
- This is what makes NFTs confusing for some. To "own" it only means the blockchain says you're the owner. Nothing to do with rights, that's separate.cherub
- Palimpset once said "NFTs are just a receipt saying that you paid for said receipt." This is basically correct. The NFT just points to the ipfs(cloud) file.cherub
- You do own an NFT in the usual sense. And that is all you own.palimpsest
- True and I think what throws people off is usually IRL when you own something, you keep it to yourself and others can't have it.cherub
- This idea of ownership if you try to apply it to NFTs can't and won't work. The file attached to the NFT is public, and not hidden.cherub
- Tarantino or someone famous was recently toying with private blockchains, in that case then it could work differently.cherub
- The file is attached to the NFT like hipness is attached to sneakers. They're both just selling points.palimpsest
- agreed. some ppl will buy the trainers, others will buy the NFT.cherub
- An NFT does not technologically or legally hold anything outside itself (the token).
And that's the beauty of it.palimpsest - So we agree you can't right click an NFT, because there's nothing there.palimpsest
- 2 problems with that statement: -some ascii NFTs actually DO store themselves on chain (they dont' need ipfs). They are all there...cherub
- -I know what you're getting at and it's the difference between a colloquial meaning and a literal meaning. If you get all meta about it, yes but ppl don't oftencherub
- think like that.cherub
- the phrase "The NFT" should reference only the actual token not the associated file on ipfs. However, these fine distinctions get missed in everyday speech.cherub
- I think we agree on the essential stuff. The difference is that I would like to see NFTs lean on my side and expose speculation even more...palimpsest
- ANYWAY this whole tangent was just a derail attempt by nairn to save grafician from the inevitable failure looming...cherub
- ... and leave itself bare to see how far people will buy into it.
And you seem to lean the other way encouraging...palimpsest - ... the covering up of itself with what I consider superficial layers.palimpsest
- If you truly believe in NFTs get rid of the smoke and mirrors.
NFTs are here to save you.palimpsest - "some ppl will buy the trainers, others will buy the NFT." .... but we ain't all in the sneakers thread sparring the same points over and over and over.microkorg
- 'cos it would be effing tiring and would piss off the folk wanting to use that thread without drama.microkorg
- Check the sneaker thread. Nobody is claiming that they are at the forefront of medical research. It's just sneakers, no drama.palimpsest
- My post below listed many reasons why sneakers are much like collectible nfts.microkorg
- the sneakers comparrsions is about the dumbest thing i ever heard... when it comes to storage of wealth ... nft vs. real objects.neverscared
- Post all the tokens you want on this thread and you won't hear a peep from me.palimpsest
- sted2
I have a hardware key what is just a storage that holds keys.
These keys are getting only queried when I try to access or transfer certain content like an Artwork for my TV. When I share a this content this key needs to exist on the receivers storage to view or transfer.
- neverscared-1
NFT: Non-Fungible Trousers
- neverscared6
The Worrisome Rise of NFTs
An astrobiologist says non-fungible tokens do not bode well for our species’s future.
Humans are very good at inventing commodities, and we’ve been at it for a long time. See that pebble over there? Well, that’s a better pebble than all these others, and if you give me something in exchange for it, I’ll let you take ownership. It’ll be your pebble, forever. And soon there will be a market in pebbles, a pebble community, pebble exhibitions and auctions filled with pebble speculators, pebble exchanges, and pebble arti
- food for fought.neverscared
- No offense, but it sounds like some commie gobbledygook.palimpsest
- Pebbles / NFTs / Sneakers / Beanie Babies / Diamonds / Goldmicrokorg
- / CO2neverscared
- ≠ ꜩmicrokorg
- no really precise ... tezos still pushes co2 ... just not as much eth... don´t look upneverscared
- + tezos is no excuse for the rest being dirty polluters.. only plays an outsider part anyhow.neverscared
- RIP Normbabydick
- nb0
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- the moment you do that 3rd thing, you risk getting your wallet on a blacklist. that's called copyminting.cherub
- and since your timestamp will always be later than the original, and the blockchain is BY DESIGN able to keep track of these things,cherub
- it's easy to catch copyminters.cherub
- But it requires people to a) do something about it and b) care enoughmonospaced
- It'S cAlleD CoPyMinTeRs fOr a reASon, mOno. gEt wiTH tHe sMaRt-CoNtrACt.
*Chases soapsud bubbles*Nairn - Excuse me?monospaced
- drgs3
- TPM not DRM.
DRM is about rights management,
TPM is the technological protection management like the NFT token systemsted - DRM tools, like WMDRM or FairPlay utilize TPM solutions.sted
- + DRM also stands for Digital Risk Managementsted
- i still don't get this tweetsted
- @sted You can "right click and save" it duhgrafician
- Yeah I dont know when I think about itdrgs
- TPM not DRM.
- shellie0
Anyone do or know any smart contract developers? I a good friends has an immediate need and would potentially be able to engage as early as next week. Need to build DAO functionality for a traditional entertainment project that’s already in production (so no fictional roadmap) with some pretty big executive producers attached. They just want to transition away from a traditional set up. Happy to discuss more with actual developers with experience and make the introductions if the developer can show previous implementations of their work.
- https://aragon.org/zaq
- https://colony.io/zaq
- which chain are your clients thinking of building this on shellie? Ethereum uses "solidity" and tezos uses "michelson."cherub
- grafician-7
Figma template to make your own nft profile pic (at least showing in the feed)
- sted3
As NFTs explode in popularity, entrepreneurs are imagining an entire media industry that’s built around them. At its most ambitious, the vision is sometimes dubbed a “decentralized Disney”: a world of fictional crossovers like the Marvel Cinematic Universe and its many spinoffs but where different characters and creative properties are owned by a panoply of fans, not a single company. Talent agencies, comics authors, and countless NFT enthusiasts are buying in.
- All is see is tulipsformed
- winklevoss brothers will be so rich..neverscared
- I grabbed a couple of BossBeauties at mint for 0.08eth. They partnered with Marvel (and are also doing great things to empower women)...microkorg
- ...and I'm getting offers of 1.2eth ($2.5k) each for the two I own. Will be hodling a lil longer. But yeah, the marvel hookup def played a part.microkorg
- neverscared-1
NFT Dining Coming To NYC
- 3:43neverscared
- It's a dining card membership they are selling though not actual NFT Food.
This is no different to a diners card. Th proof of membership sits onchainmicrokorg - instead of a physical card sitting in your wallet.microkorg
- neverscared3
This video (from
@foldablehuman
) is long, but it is PHENOMENAL, the best synthesis of the tech, political and economic critique of NFTs, DAOs, crypto and web3 I've yet seen
)- Is it biased towards our view or the pro views? So I know if it will reinforce my beliefsgrafician
- its just faqs.neverscared
- watching baby!grafician
- He shows the flaws of the technology succinctly, and how it is fundamentally not able to keep the promises.neverscared
- comment.neverscared
- when u work in fintech u probalby know it already.neverscared
- honestly this is too advanced for the common folk, most don't get the tech, they just want to get rich quick - including the artistsgrafician
- i doubt its too advanced.... evey idiot can understand it.neverscared
- every idiot *thinks* he gets it, but nahgrafician
- but the thing is, it's not the tech you need to get, it's the economics and the psychology of it allgrafician
- this is why dumb fucks using DAOs to buy $30K books for $3M
they got the DAO part, they didn't get the "how auctions work" part and so on and so forthgrafician - anyway, I upvoted, this is a good documentarygrafician
- saying its too advanced is exactly what he analyzses at the begining is what they want u to believe...although there are not too many componnents to understand.neverscared
- Lol@59 mins onwardsBluejam
- "don't YOU want to make money?" lolmonNom
- @1:22:12monNom
- Watched till apes were about to start during my lunch. Interesting so far. Will listen to the rest tonight ... while making art to sell on tezos.microkorg
- neverscared0
Surgeon faces legal action for trying to sell Bataclan victim X-ray as NFT
A senior French surgeon faces legal action and a possible disciplinary charge after attempting to sell an X-ray of a concert-goer who was shot during the 2015 attack on the Bataclan music hall in Paris.
- the mania makes em loco..neverscared
- Man, what a twat, how'd he think he'd be able to sell that?microkorg
- thats how a mania functions.. it blacks out your rational thought patterns ... same way people going into crytpo withought thinking of the long term consequenceneverscared
- s of anti-ecofriendly tech. and olligarchy systems.neverscared
- I was waiting for this day. We now have legal precedent that the image is the NFT.palimpsest
- nope, the surgeon is facing legal action due to professional practice. no one gives a shit about the mediumkingsteven
- Guns don't kill people.palimpsest
- toemaas-1
The big argument has always been about whether or not to get involved in selling them (for various reasons) - but who are the people spending $25,000,000,000 a year on these?
- it's just a vacuum of rich people. Like the real art marketplace, the artists are rich people friend, and rich people buy their stuff, always has been.ekael
- but theres also a smaller value market. artists and collectors buying from small artists. In the same way you or I will buy a print from a local artist.microkorg
- who are buying cos they geniunely like something and want to pay that artist for it.microkorg
- Except not at all the same way as buying a print from a small artist. Nice try though?monospaced
- If someone likes art and wants to support the artist, they can buy a small print. Everyone wins. Nothing like that happens with NFTs.monospaced
- If you just want to pay an artist you can give them money directly. Nothing about NFTs solves any issue.monospaced
- The NFTs do solve an issue. Proof of ownership for legit resale of the said digital piece.microkorg
- And not everyone wants a print. Over the next few years we'll see more 'Frame' like TVs with a demand for buying digital images.microkorg
- Outwith the NFT realm, folk are already buying and renting images for these TVs without ever having 'ownership' of the image. I know who's daft here.microkorg
- "If someone likes art and wants to support the artist they can buy a small print. Everyone wins. Nothing like that happens with NFTs" ok now u are trash talkingcherub
- Happens everyday on tezos, ethereum, and even polygon and near. Go here to watch it live - https://nftbiker.xyz…cherub
- Exactly Cherub. Paying for an NFT/Print/Turd in a bag from an artist is all the same. Artist gets money, you get something in exchange.microkorg
- Some people want a print, some want an NFT, hey, some might even want a turd in a bag. Think some folk in this thread would rather have the lattermicrokorg
- than being seen dead buying an NFT! lol.microkorg
- It’s not the same. At all.monospaced
- In your opinion.microkorg
- proof of ownership of a token not an artwork.. incredible how nft guys always forget that...neverscared
- ... but someone is getting paid in exchange for something still.microkorg
- It's not my opinion. Buying an NFT through an exchange is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING like buying a print from an artist.monospaced
- The only thing they have in common is an exchange of money, except that the exchange takes a cut on each end.monospaced
- Sorry, I don't see your sense mono.
If i buy a print from a local artist from a local gallery/store then they take a cut too.microkorg - Print or NFT its an exchange of money for something the buyer deems to be worth that value. And different people deem different things to have diff values.microkorg
- sted0
- Krassy8
- repost from https://www.qbn.com/…Krassy
- Yeah enjoy crypto 'till the 2022 blackout: https://www.imdb.com…grafician
- "no way of knowing" ...well there's your mistake right there. blockchain=knowingcherub
- that information isn't in the NFT blockchain though, unless you mean filecoin? and IPFS has all the permanence of a torrentkingsteven
- You can pin manually if you worry that ipfs will go down. And both the buyer and seller's address are recorded every transaction.cherub
- Behold, the tzkt explorer. You're in the deep end now son. Adult swim.
https://tzkt.io/cherub - If the star is still there you still own it.palimpsest
- yet you buy the certificate for the star, you own the certificate, not the star lolgrafician
- And the certificate stands even if the company is gone. It may even increase in value like a ticket for an opera from the 1800s.palimpsest
- So we should be investing in NFTs betting on platforms that will tank?palimpsest
- No need, Opensea will probably go public soon and you can short the stock afgrafician
- Yup, pretty much confirmed: https://blockzeit.co…grafician
- Thanks.palimpsest
- gwyneth paltrow is going into crypto i read.. all that celebrity endorsement.. its beautiful how exorbitant much cash they will make.neverscared
- the Winklevoss bros have the best stars.neverscared
- actually this is a good use case for NFTs. Company going out of business doesnt matterBeeswax
- Breaking news: Idiot thinks he can own a starscarabin
- if you bought your token with tezos, and tezos goes bust..... u cant sell your token with eth. or doge then ,.. can u ? allthough its on the blockchain.neverscared
- You can take a screenshot of your token and sell it on another platform as a rare vintage.
Commerce finds a way.palimpsest - u lose your value of investment of the first token though... so the slogan . -forever - in blockchain terms of value store is useless brainwashing.neverscared
- You never lose until you sell, that's Investing 101. Since you can't sell it you can't lose.palimpsest
- And by selling the screenshot of your token for a higher price now that's it vintage you're winning.palimpsest
- NFTs are temporary but art is forever.palimpsest
- neverscared1
Survey Says Developers Are Definitely Not Interested In Crypto Or NFTs
'How this hasn’t been identified as a pyramid scheme is beyond
me'https://kotaku.com/nft-crypto-cr…
Every year, ahead of the actual Game Developers Conference, the show’s organisers run an industry survey, polling creators around the world on what’s happening and what could be happening in the games business. With 2022 promising to be a tumultuous 12 months, this year’s results are perhaps a bit more interesting than the norm.
The brainworm-driven craze for all things blockchain, cryptocurrency and NFT has players (and developers) rightly afraid of what kind of fresh hells await us over the next few years, as dollar-chasing executives across the industry seem increasingly convinced there is something of value in the tech.
- Devs where i work not keen on NFTs. Then I show them fxhash site.
Oh wait, I can get money for doing fun programming I do in my spare time anyway!microkorg - Then jump into the sandbox to find out more.microkorg
- i guess its not spare time anymore if u work... otherwise it would be not callled sparetime...neverscared
- u still work for ponzi... if thats your lifedream..u cant be helped.neverscared
- crypto tech developers are diff niche, 2-3 years ago i couldn't get rid of the "develop a blockchain shit for us" requests.sted
- didnt u say u work fulltime nft artists 2-3 weeks ago ?neverscared
- no i work fulltime doing UX.
doing NFTs in my spare time now rather than freelancing. MUCH less stress.microkorg - Well duh... you know how difficult it is to constantly debug a game pre release? Then if you're stuck in a game engine developed specific to your ip?jonny_quest_lives
- Wtf would you want to implement an nft scheme to your chaotic workflow. On top of that you already have efficient in game economics for making money.jonny_quest_lives
- "In the third quarter of 2021, Activision Blizzard generated 1.65 billion U.S. dollars of revenues through microtransactions and downloadable content"jonny_quest_lives
- Cannot get my head around folk ok paying for non tangible asset in a game vs digital piece of art.microkorg
- But do kinda agree with what Jonny says above about why implement nft layer on top of perfectly good marketplaces.microkorg
- Well if an ingame weapon skin or character skin is purely cosmetic... I see no point in buying it but if the item is rare or has a good perk set some playerjonny_quest_lives
- will spend in game currency to acquire it... currently Fortnite and Roblox serm to be raking in a ton of revenue with in game purchasesjonny_quest_lives
- Plus you don't have the headache of coding your "Digital Asset" to be functional/transfera... to other game environments.jonny_quest_lives
- Current thinking is Microsoft us moving towards becoming the Netflix of gaming... where you just stream the game of your choice versus ownership. Especially:jonny_quest_lives
- https://news.microso…jonny_quest_lives
- Devs where i work not keen on NFTs. Then I show them fxhash site.
- sted0
WHITEHALL, Pa. , Jan. 25, 2022 /PRNewswire/ -- ChainBytes, LLC , a Bitcoin ATM manufacturer and blockchain developer announced a collaboration with Museo del Caos to exhibit Mexican and Latin American musicians, artists, and startup galleries within the NFT and Metaverse spheres.
- utopian3
NFTs, an overblown speculative bubble inflated by pop culture and crypto mania.
A lot like Ponzi schemes
While not illegal, many NFT marketing ventures have some similarities with Ponzi schemes, such as that operated by Bernie Madoff (who sustained his fraud for decades by paying high “dividends” from the deposits of new investors).
Cryptocurrency markets work in essentially the same manner. For existing investors to profit, new buyers have to be drawn into the market. So too NFTs, with something illusory attached to the digital assets.
Some light on the worth of this attachment compared to the economics of NFTs themselves may come from the interesting (and also highly profitable) experiment by the (now not so) “young British artist” Damien Hirst – himself a master self-promoter.
Hirst’s well-publicised “The Currency” project has involved selling NFTs for 10,000 similar but unique dot paintings. The twist is that at the end of a 12-month period those who have bought the NFT must decide if they want the digital token or the physical artwork. If they keep the NFT the artwork will be destroyed.
- nb2
Deeply Strange
https://twitter.com/etienneshrdl…
This is probably the most dull and boring clip to ever air on the Jimmy Fallon show. And that's saying something!!!
- Fucking idiots describing how a "copy & pasted" $200,000 ape drawing reminds them of their self.utopian
- I hate Jimmy Fallon. But at the same time I feel a bit sorry for him. He's trapped in a hell.PhanLo
- ^ he's on a permo, thinks everyone's a robot and he's fucking terrified but playing alongkingsteven