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- jonny_quest_lives0
How about we let the local newspapers tell the story rather than seeking out right wing doxxers with screenshots and memes to fit your narratives. Or at least citing your sources rather than a mugshot of someone whose past has no relevence to being murdered in their hometown.
- oh get a grip... the story we're talking about a few posts down comes from a NYT journalist... only person pushing a narrative is you, dude. <3PonyBoy
- What's my narrative? He murdered two people and will be tried as an adult in one of 9 states that tries 17-year-olds as adults?jonny_quest_lives
- "So in your america I can go to my closest grab a tactical loadout show up at a protest and murder someone if I feel threatened."
That is your narrative.PonyBoy - You try to act civil and ask me to look into the backgrounds of the victims as if it has any bearing. Then accuse me of pushing a narrative?jonny_quest_lives
- All you seem to do around here is push fucking narratives pony? Pony's narratives Covid = Meh not so bad. look at car fatalitiesjonny_quest_lives
- Pony: "The kid looked scared let's not rush to judgement"jonny_quest_lives
- Quote me accurately Pony:jonny_quest_lives
- "Got it Pony... So in your america I can go to my closest grab a tactical loadout show up at a protest and murder someone if I feel threatened."jonny_quest_lives
- "And it doesn't make me the aggressor?"jonny_quest_lives
- Stand by the statement...
not a narrativejonny_quest_lives - I copied / pasted you, jonny. You just completely misquoted me "the kid looked scared"... lolPonyBoy
- And I do NOT take covid that cavalier. You're referring to my comment months ago when only TWO people had died in FL. It's a nice try but a load of shit.PonyBoy
- 6 months ago... to be exact:
https://www.qbn.com/…PonyBoy - dude not even trying... all this rightwing whataboutism can be lumped into 3to 8 accounts that seem all interchangeable as the covid shit was deathboyjonny_quest_lives
- Just got you confused with deathboy which is how bad things have gotten here. and this article wasn't even in response to our conversation but the mugshotsjonny_quest_lives
- posted by green user "phrenological"jonny_quest_lives
- whatabout the kid w/the hand gun? whatabout the kid who came out of nowhere and tripped THE KID running away? whatabout living in reality?PonyBoy
- yet you felt the need to tell me to chill so who was triggered?jonny_quest_lives
- If assigning me to that group of 3-8 account you obviously have disdain for helps you avoid reality then so be it. I will peacefully wander away now. <3PonyBoy
- uh... you felt the need to make this post instead of keeping to the comments below... ... you were triggered, jonny and needed your own post to show it.PonyBoy
- fuck... i said I was walking away... bye!! Do not want to fight!!! <3 <3 <3PonyBoy
- The reality is two people were killed and more than likely this kid will spend the rest of his life in jail because his parents failed him.jonny_quest_lives
- Pony he just murdered someone shot them in the head, they were trying to stop him from doing more harm .. I like you Pony but how are you not getting that??Ramanisky2
- I just don’t want to argue anymore .. did enough of it yesterday. Spent.Ramanisky2
- did you watch the vid, ram? the kid was running away... leaving. The NYT journalist points this out even... someone tripped him, hit him w/ a skateboard...PonyBoy
- ... someone also fired a gun in the air all while the kid was obviously on the ground (not tuck and rolled as we were lead to believe in the news)...PonyBoy
- well i am spent... what 's weird is this is the fucking thread that drags me back into qbn... i usually lurk but dammit but seeing that alt right victim blamingjonny_quest_lives
- mugshot doxxing shit and the logical leaps being made to defend the shooters actions is infuriatingjonny_quest_lives
- ...then he fires. Those facts didn't exist in to me UNTIL I saw the video. Else I've thought Kyle was a militia man tucking and rolling, mowing down protestorsPonyBoy
- I guess in USA if you feel threatened, or may about to receive a punch or two... YOU FUCKING KILL THEM WITH YOUR GUN. And all is okay.inteliboy
- what can I tell ya ... they witnessed him kill someone and tried to stop him ... that’s what I see.Ramanisky2
- ... based on what I've been hearing on the news, reading here on QBN etc. I'm not backing up AR Kyle's actions etc... only pointing out that reality...PonyBoy
- ... is NOT what it seemed until I could see that vid / read that NYT journalist's post.PonyBoy
- All good Bro. *Fist bumpRamanisky2
- You can take that and misconstrue as me supporting militia style action—being w/those 3-8 accounts mentioned before... some shit rightwinger... have at it. <3PonyBoy
- okay i am going to post an article I just ask that you read it through it's via slate. so if you hate slate you are probably not going to read it.jonny_quest_lives
- just trying to move the discourse back to civility...jonny_quest_lives
- Slate used to be greatGnash
- whatthefunk4
- We have a far-left. They just aren't empowered to enact that nonsense.cannonball1978
- I would share this if there was less hand clapping.12xu
- This post tweet whatever just says you are all fucking pussies! Ppl in Belarus took to the streets, you always take to twitter to vent!grafician
- Hang on, I missed this - Wtf are you on about now ffs - who are you calling a pussy? The vice journalist tweet, me, or anyone who tweets? Sorry, hard to followwhatthefunk
- omahadesigns-9
- Omaha, you are such a shitty person.Ramanisky2
- CongratsRamanisky2
- Ramanisky26
- So all these guys are dead?
https://i.imgur.com/…Gnash - ^ One is missing a toe after he shot himself in the foot by accident.PhanLo
- That’s more than 1 black Kyle Rittenhouse Gnash lolRamanisky2
- In that same situation, yes, if he was black cops would have shot him down with hundreds of ammosi_was
- So all these guys are dead?
- monNom1
NY Times reporter is doing a good job reconstructing the timeline of Kenosha Shooter: https://twitter.com/trbrtc
Here's a video showing the events immediately before Ramanisky2's video from yesterday. A group is chasing and attacking the shooter. One in the group appears to fire first (in the air). First victim is part of the group chasing shooter and closes on him before being shot.
https://twitter.com/trbrtc/statu…Later, ongoing chase. 2nd and 3rd victims both actively attacking shooter with a skateboard and a pistol respectively.
https://twitter.com/trbrtc/statu…- 1st
https://twitter.com/…monNom - okay. I have no idea how to link to a tweet.
1st one starts with "At 23:19, Rittenhouse..."
2nd starts with "While fleeing from the scene..."monNom - are you trying to justify what this little terrorist cunt did???
Honest question.Ramanisky2 - Draw your own conclusions. AFAIK this is new evidence not yet included in this thread.monNom
- Okay.
https://thumbs.gfyca…Ramanisky2 - If he was a terrorist, why wait till the last moment when they gang up on him?
https://pbs.twimg.co…drgs - It’s also illegal for a 17 yr old to open carry not to mention murder.
But do go on.Ramanisky2 - If this happened the other way around everyone here would be doing backflips In the opposite direction.Gnash
- He broke 3 laws, for sure. Age, open gun carry only for locals (he is not), and Wisconsin does not have a stand-your-ground law.drgs
- But there is a difference to these two situations:
1) Fire 7 shots in some black dude's back, because you felt he stood the wrong waydrgs - 2) Be 17 and be chased by a gang of BLM protestors, one of them is firing a gun in the air. You end up on your back and they circle you.drgs
- Is the second situation as black and white as the first one?drgs
- Anyone actually bother watching the footage?
https://www.youtube.…PonyBoy - AR Kyle was running away / fleeing... he was tripped and smacked w/a skateboard while another dude shot his handgun in the air... what a fucking mess :/PonyBoy
- I hadn't watched any vids until now. I've only heard news clips that make it sound like another high school shooter went apeshit on a peaceful crowd. :/PonyBoy
- Same here. I read Washington Post article saying he tucked and rolled and opened fire on a crowd. No mention of the chase, nor assailants.monNom
- *cricketsPonyBoy
- Again what was a 17 year-old doing at a protest outside of his home state with an unlicensed/illegal weapon? Cosplay with consequences?jonny_quest_lives
- *Cricketsjonny_quest_lives
- This bullshit "operator" bravado these wannabe militia gun fetishists swagger around with this was bound to happen.jonny_quest_lives
- dunno—what was the dude firing his handgun in the air doing out there armed? seems this story is full of holes but focused on one narrative.PonyBoy
- So all the protesters should also only be homegrown?Gnash
- The kid was leaving, jonny... running away even... I wouldn't have known that w/out watching the video.PonyBoy
- Got it Pony... So in your america I can go to my closest grab a tactical loadout show up at a protest and murder someone if I feel threatened.jonny_quest_lives
- And it doesn't make me the aggressor?jonny_quest_lives
- did you watch the video, jonny?
What you just described is not what happened. yes the kid showed up w/his scary looking gun. So did some clown w/a handgun.PonyBoy - That about the gist of your argument?jonny_quest_lives
- "The kid was leaving"jonny_quest_lives
- Is the clown w/the handgun allowed to shoot his gun like that? ...at a fleeing man or at least in the air to cause the obvious chaos that followed?PonyBoy
- Also—do some research on the skater that's now dead and the other shooter—looks like they not exactly home towners either (lots of folks in that crowd aren't)PonyBoy
- The Kid shouldn't have fucking been there. Cops shouldn't allow armed "Militia" anywhere near protestors.
CASCADE OF FAILURESjonny_quest_lives - There's no fucking narrative other than the one you are trying to spin to justify this 17 year old kid's actionsjonny_quest_lives
- And to answer your emotionally driven question (not based on the facts at hand)... No, jonny... in 'my america' you can't murder people.PonyBoy
- I'm NOT justifying his actions, jonny. FFS I'd just like the full story. You see a militia man and I see a KID surrounded by KIDS. You're right to be pissed...PonyBoy
- ... at the 'CASCADE OF FAILURES'. I couldn't agree more... but YOU are not focused on the full truth. You see a militiaman w/a big scary gun...PonyBoy
- ... and leave out THE OTHER GUN and the crowd attacking the kid... knocking him to the ground... beating him w/a skateboard and shooting a gun in the air.PonyBoy
- Part of this 'cascade of failures' we are all living through is that folks leave out LOTS OF INFO to run w/one fucking narrative. Fuck that nonsense.PonyBoy
- Did they detain the dude that shot into the air? Is that legal?scarabin
- I posted an article the only out of towners were Gaige Grosskreutz, 26, of West Allis Wisconsin. And the shooter Kyle Rittenhouse of Antioch Illinois.jonny_quest_lives
- "You see a militia man and I see a KID surrounded by KIDS."jonny_quest_lives
- https://www.youtube.…PonyBoy
- "People are getting injured and our job is to protect this business," "And part of my job also is to protect people." -Kyle Rittenhouse Delusional as well.jonny_quest_lives
- his mom drove him there and most likely purchased his illegal weapon. And after he murdered 2 protesters she drove him back across state lines. Tippy Top ParentRamanisky2
- You should feel bad for him... still a kid and filled w/hate not of his own making. Again... I see a crowd of kids and some of them had guns. It saddens me. :(PonyBoy
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- renderedred1
NHL suspending games too. Respect.
- elahon1
THE FUCK?
Jacob Blake is handcuffed to his hospital bed, his dad says, and authorities won't say what he's been arrested for or charged with.
- Ramanisky20
POS
- at this point all americans should just go on a general strike and turn off their tvs. let's see his ratings then.renderedred
- Ramanisky22
more Right Wing LIES.
- i still don't understand why blake kept running and refusing to obey plod's command.hans_glib
- i've been threatened with a gun twice and both times i did exactly what i was told. maybe he's a braver man than i was.hans_glib
- not that i'm condoning the cowardly killing of him for one minute - that's a total disgrace and those fucking bastards need prosecuting.hans_glib
- I understand where you’re coming from. Also .. He’s not dead, he’s paralyzed.Ramanisky2
- Violent felon paralysed. Most voters will rejoice at this news. https://www.pewresea…Phrenological
- Hey look everyone,
we have a new green boboRamanisky2 - he got tased just before this, possible that he was in a daze, disoriented and just thinking about his kids?_niko
- remember to keep calm when you're getting tazed kids!pango
- drgs-4
I found a whole book about this:
https://files.eric.ed.gov/fullte…"What we found was that neo-segregation is widespread if not pervasive.
About 46 percent (80 colleges out of 173 surveyed) segregate student orientation programs; 43 percent (75 colleges out of the total) offer segregated residential arrangements; and 72 percent (125 colleges out of the total) segregate graduation ceremonies. Though these arrangements are ostensibly voluntary, students can’t easily opt out. We tracked numerous indicators of neo-segregation, from “Diversity Fly-Ins,” (68 percent of the total) where colleges offer minority students an expense-paid segregated preview of the experience that awaits them should they enroll, to segregated alumni groups."The numbers are from last year. Expect 50%+ after BLM.
Boomers fought for sexual revolution and porn, SJWs are trying to ban it.
Boomers fought for freedom of speech, SJWs seek mass incarceration for hate speech.
Boomers fought against segregation, SJWs brought segregation back.https://twitter.com/TitaniaMcGra…
I followed both of them immediately.Btw, if you ever wondered what an average night out with BLM is like, here is a 30 min video to soak up the atmosphere:
- Pointing stuff like this out is far right hate speech. Off to the gulag with ye!Phrenological
- Discuss?12xu
- Discuss between yourselves, Ive had enough of thisdrgs
- Finally, common ground between the kkk and ultra-leftGnash
- Aren't they both parody accounts. Or is that the point?Fax_Benson
- I know Titania is parody, never heard of the other oneGnash
- But it’s hard to tell the diff these daysGnash
- A fitting commentary neverthelessdrgs
- Fucking punksi_was
- i think the difference is choice.pango
- you're exaggerating the "average" night out.pango
- Cool post Doris.utopian
- Discuss!pango
- that video you posted is not a typical BLM night thoughmonospaced
- A group of thugs gang up on a tranny? Sorry confused with one of my nights outdrgs
- Discuss!pango
- saying that's typical of BLM is saying that it's typical that people become cops just to murder black people ... it's hyperbole and it doesn't help anyonemonospaced
- elahon8
- The right wing media is and always has been appallingRamanisky2
- more pathetic than strange to me...neverscared
- How is the liberal media any better? They're two identical pieces of shit, IMO.MondoMorphic
- ^ Annnnnd there’s the “both sides” brigade.Ramanisky2
- Liberal media doesn't get behind racist murderers, regardless of their skin color or job description.monospaced
- That is spectacularly unique among the current administrations most idiotic mouth breathing supporters.monospaced
- As mono said, it's not about the media here... this statement is true of the supporters. Media is business, don't expect much from them either way.ben_
- Ramanisky24
His future looks bright.
- delusional.
armed, and delusional.Nairn - The fuckface arrested and charged with first degree intentional homicideRamanisky2
- MAGA4LIFEutopian
- I like how the police are referring to that thing as “a long gun” instead of a fucking assault riflescarabin
- an assault rifle is a long guncannonball1978
- I know. But nobody calls it a “long gun” unless they’re trying to avoid calling it an assault riflescarabin
- They’re trying to protect the image of that thing so kids can continue to run around with themscarabin
- oh man, this kid is fucked. he messed up really bad and felt powerful. now he is fucked beyond belief. big gun, small brain.capn_ron
- You wouldn’t call a hot dog “long bologna”scarabin
- He should rot in jail just for wearing those crocsfuturefood
- Actually i think i will call them long bologna from now onscarabin
- "long bologna"... I'm on board.ben_
- Kid's going to get eaten alive in jail or youth detention.ben_
- I support your right to enjoying long bologna.cannonball1978
- delusional.
- Ramanisky25
What a disgusting country we live in. 17 yr old armed with an AR-15 type weapon .. shoots 3 and kills 2 last night and walks right past the police while flashing some sort of hand sign.
Right wing bootlickers “it was self defense.“
“Sure Jan.”
Warning Extremely Graphic in parts
- civil war is comingrenderedred
- something something gun lawsmilfhunter
- https://www.insider.…PhanLo
- Replace all the people in the video with Arabs and the opinion of USA peeps watching it would be “we need to bomb that country of terrorists”.shapesalad
- vErY fiNE pEoPLe on bOTh sIDeSface_melter
- The sick thing is people are actually cheering this on. Saw quite a few comments by American conservatives along the line of "finally someone did it"yuekit
- Finally someone did itdrgs
- Such a strange place.PhanLo
- The victim was aggressing and threatening/chasing / assaulting a dude with a loaded AR-15, what did he think was going to happen? strange place indeed_niko
- Wonder what psychological damage it will do to the shooter?PhanLo
- Don't worry I'm sure Trump will pardon him in the second term.yuekit
- Yeah not the smartest move to run after a guy with a gun but on the other hand what was this kid doing? Driving to another state with a loaded assault weaponyuekit
- fuck that kidMaaku
- so he can fight Black Lives Matter? This is more like behavior of a mass shooteryuekit
- The fuckface arrested and charged with first degree intentional homicideRamanisky2
- Fucking good ^scarabin
- Kid thought he was a hotshot and now his life is over. Stupid hurtsscarabin
- Yeah, don't chase/threaten somebody with a loaded weapon...MondoMorphic
- needless and stupid on both sides. Though there's a fine line between brave and stupid._niko
- I'm surprised it didn't happen sooner
https://www.qbn.com/…drgs - Jesus wtfNBQ00
- The fact that a 17 year old can even legally have or use an assult rifle baffles me. That alone should have him locked up as a threat to the public forever.shellie
- He's 17 and @scarabin is right; his life is done.
Sad for his family, parents, etc.ideaist - Whatever. Where are his parents?? They allow him to cross state lines with a weapon? Shouldn't be be in virtual school today? His parents failed.shellie
- And "they" treat us like animals for protesting police sanctioned murder. These guys are out "protecting" insured "property" & killing in the name of what?shellie
- yeah seriously, you guys are fucked, can't drink, can't vote, can't open a bank account, can't buy cigarettes, can't get a tattoo, can't buy fireworks_niko
- ...can't buy spray paint, can't play the lottery. But buy a AR-15? no problem, here you go._niko
- The only reason why anything will be done is bc it appears the allies hurt & killed weren't black -- disgusting fact. My heart goes out to THEIR families.shellie
- Having read about him, he seems psychologically damaged already.PhanLo
- Wingnuts are already in with claims of self-defense and that he was 'protecting businesses'. Fucking cunts.face_melter
- Watch as the media plays him out as a good student from a respectable family, like they always do when a white boy shoots a place up.face_melter
- As if "protecting businesses" is even remotely acceptable. These people are out to kill because there is a high likelihood they can get away with it.ben_
- Poor shooter. He's going to jail now.pango
- No offence, but america is a disgrace.ben_
- Atrociousi_was
- His parents are probably just as bad as him. Where does a child get an AR-15 and political ideas?scarabin
- Who lets their kid go armed to a protest?scarabin
- They’ll be the next RNC speakersscarabin
- He’ll receive the Medal of Honor and a full pardon.Ramanisky2
- Finally a Medal of Honor for playing Medal of Honorben_
- zero sympathy for that kid, god-damned dumbass, ruined 3 families, gun control nowernexbcn
- LAW AND ORDER IS COMING YOUR WAYutopian
- I guarantee he will get the most lenient punishment possible. The kid has been volunteering with the cops. He's 17 and white. He'll be tried as a minorsarahfailin
- and he'll do a little time and become a fox news commentator or the new president of the NRA.sarahfailin
- i heard Trump has him booked tonight for the RNCsarahfailin
- ^ your prediction is my predictionRamanisky2
- He'll be a hero in jail. Still waiting for police to at least attempt to look like they care to stop this. Or anyone on the conservative/conspir... side.formed
- Yes, violence is coming, thanks to Trump, win or lose. Maybe it's time to give in and buy a gun.formed
- I was thinking the same thing. Not about buying a gun myself, but if Drumpf loses, I fear his cult will go apeshit and shit's going to just go to hell.elahon
- DONT BUY ANY GUNSnb
- Did you see that guy's arm get blown off! Jesus Christ!fooler
- Tucker Carlson was on tonight encouraging more vigilantism.boobs
- guy in the shorts at 3:35 had a pistol in his hand.Hayoth
- ^ annnnnd here's comes our resident piece of shitpango
- did the coppers serve him a burger too ?neverscared
- Thank Goodness you have a President who doesn't in any way, either by action or inaction, fan the flames of this sort o... oh.. oh, wait. Hold on.Nairn
- trumps presidency comes to an end, now all the nutters will come , climax violence ahead.neverscared
- Yup, win or lose, he'll/they will promote more violence. If I saw this punk walking down my street, I would want a gun to stop him. This is terrorism.formed
- USA seems like such a lovely country I must holiday there soon...shapesalad
- Ramanisky21
Tucker just a moment ago.
- Keep the posts continuity Rama! Wtf is this shit?!grafician
- Just Tucker inciting more violence while millions of viewers watch his racist show.Ramanisky2
- Obviously, but those ppl are lost, let's focus on the ones that do matter still?grafician
- All good graf, I gotchaRamanisky2
- All good Rama, I gotchagrafician
- CheersRamanisky2
- I fucking hate that Fucker Carlson.babydick
- Milan1
- needless and stupid. cop didn't need to shoot him like that but also where the fuck was he going? was he reaching for his gun?_niko
- or was he reaching for his paper?pango
- There was no gun, only 3 of his kids in the car who just witnessed their father get shot 7 times at close range.Ramanisky2
- cop couldn't know, but you can hear someone say "don't you do it, Blake no" which could have put the cops on edge, like they knew he was going for a gun_niko
- the whole thing's horrific any way you look at it. pointless, hope he pulls through._niko
- pulls through? the dude who got shot 7 times or the cop? wait he got shot 7 time and lived?!pango
- Apparently he is in stable conditionRamanisky2
- would you ever run or resist cop like that? I wouldn't.AQUTE
- Are those rubber bullets?? Even IF he needed to shoot the guy, why the FUCK did he have to do it SEVEN times???MondoMorphic
- I await the rivers of cancerous dreck from QBN's resident short bus bootlicking, cop-sucking, passengers.face_melter
- a cops first reaction is always to shoot first.utopian
- He is paralyzedinstrmntl
- if you're such a pussy and scared on sight of a black man, why join the police?Milan
- grafician1
"Lakers issue a statement, standing with their players and those from other teams."
Now this is how you lead!
NBA and other sports have a real chance to amplify the message, because only f sports can unite people this good...
Waiting for the music community to wake up and take over, arts too...
- Good for the Lakers. If the NBA really cared though, they'd stop being hypocrites and take care of their China problem.MondoMorphic
- whatthefunk13
Remember boys and girls, your comportment around authority is a choice!
- #Obeyi_was
- Seems as though BLM needs to become more militant like the Black Panthers back in the 60's. The conversation will change quick when everyone protests armedbrandonp
- interactions w police should not be political. Cops are trigger happy assholes with a power trips. You deserve the darwin award if you want to challenge that.hotroddy
- yeah, especially if your'e black ... numbers don't liemonospaced
- more the reason to be respectful and submissive but being submissive is seen as neo slavery. hence the never ending pattern of distrust b/w blacks and cops.hotroddy
- That's my point exactly. The system is racist to its core. As soon as black folks show up armed like white protesters like to do = gun reform tomorrow.brandonp
- Could help to restart the debate on gun legislation. Not have it solely be about muh' fredums. Racists would loose their minds at the sight of non-whites armed.brandonp
- what good would armed black protestors be aside from telling business owners to pay up or I'll burn your business down?hotroddy
- in venezuela they have a name for them. Look up 'collectivos'. People who believe you as a business owner oppressed them and deserve 'protection' fees/.hotroddy
- @hotroddy validating my hypothesis. Arm black folks = non-white peoples react predictably. Gotta stop them from exercising their 2nd amendment!brandonp
- "...be respectful and submissive" wow, juuuuust wow. You see whites being submissive?ben_
- nobody should feel like their life is threatened for being disrespectful, and nobody should be afraid a cop could kill over something like thatmonospaced
- nobody should accept that cops are just murderous cunts and we should act accordingly ... it's not acceptablemonospaced
- "You didn't stop when I said so, here's 7 in your back." Defending that shit is what makes you an absolute cunt, hotroddy.ben_
- MAGA Logicutopian
- i don't have a problem with it regardless of their race. Unlike Canada, USA can easily turn into a crime ridden society like many countries south of it.hotroddy
- I guess it's easy to take security for granted living a privileged canadian or european lifestyle.hotroddy
- Well with the privilege comes responsibility I guess, and the only real difference between US and Canada in that regard is what people do with it.ben_
- You act like violence is a foregone conclusion... "yep he didn't listen to a cop he deserves to die because (insert assumptions here)" try harder, man.ben_
- We have similar issues here, albeit not on the scale you do... but the racism is real down there. Ignore it at your own peril i suppose.ben_
- grafician3
"The WNBA announced that the three games scheduled for this evening have been postponed. "
- I stand with them.shellie
- You need to discuss the payment terms in WNBA after this, cuz those girls work their butts off and still get paid trash, "equality" means that across the boardgrafician
- graf... not the we need to discuss this now (but you brought it up)—they get paid based on the revenue they create (which doesn't compare to the men).PonyBoy
- It's a shit fact if you're only looking at in terms of 'hard work'... I'm in agreement w/you there... but fiscally speaking they're not on the same level.PonyBoy
- I'd love to see some WNBA players as NBA point guards. RIP Gianna Bryant could have been the first. That's how we break the pay scale barrier.shellie
- @Pony I get your point, I know that, but sports should be judged based on effort and performance, not ratings, sorry.grafician
- @shellie rip Gianna, she would've been great no doubt! Follow Sabrina, she's amazing https://twitter.com/…grafician
- that'd be fucking cool, shellie—I feel like some of these girls are close (I follow the Phx Mercury closer than I do the Phx Suns—some of these girls...PonyBoy
- ... can seriously compete)PonyBoy
- unfortunately there wouldn't be a league w/out money and ratings, graf... another shit fact... I know :/PonyBoy
- Back when I was playing bball in highschool we played regularly with our girls team mixed games, don't nobody tell me they deserve less paygrafician
- @Pony I'm not arguing, this is the situation rn, but I'm saying that's needs to changegrafician
- No doubt, graf... all that aside tho... how do we get more people to watch? Cuz that's the only way they get paid more.PonyBoy
- don't nobody tell me Gianna Bryant could'nt compete in the NBA same level someday, the Game is pure, is just managed by white rich guys that want to keep the stgrafician
- status quo, same as with any pro sportsgrafician
- Imagine a league where Gianna could've been in the same Lakers team with Bronny James!grafician
- Imagine Serena beating Federer at Wimbledon! Just fucking imagine!grafician
- Gianna had the power of press and the Mamba legacy behind her. I think her "team" could have got it done. She would have been a big money maker for the league.shellie
- We need another future star people can get behind while she's still at high school level like they do for the boys and point her toward the NBA, with brandsshellie
- like Nike, huge sports agents and sports coverage getting behind that.shellie
- It wasn't long ago they thought women couldn't compete or work with men doing a lot of things. I'd love to see this barrier broken.shellie
- TBH i'd rather see so many more women make it to mixed AAA teams to eventually feed into the pros or let them mix play in Europe or broad to get their chops up.shellie
- "White owners" don't control what 'you or I' choose to watch, graf. WNBA games are very accessible... How do you get more people to watch?PonyBoy
- Idk shellie maybe I'm too of an idealist, but like I said I played mixed games and girls were the same level, our coach was a woman too, no issuesgrafician
- And I dunno about Serena defeating Federer. :) Even she admitted: “If I were to play Andy Murray, I would lose 6-0, 6-0 in five to six minutes...PonyBoy
- I'm all for diversity and equality, can't believe we're having these discussions now, fuck baby steps, I'm all in with change nowgrafician
- ...maybe 10 minutes. No, it’s true. It’s a completely different sport. The men are lot faster and they serve harder, they hit harder..."PonyBoy
- ...it’s just a different game."
—SerenaPonyBoy - the sports brands like nike or adidas already run mixed play ads for years, we just need to change the leagues to play ballgrafician
- same in tech, design, whatever, I'm sick of seeing levels and not equalitygrafician
- @Pony no doubt, but one is Serena saying it, the other is Serena playing it, let's all compete on performance, not gender, race, etc.grafician
- I'm w/you on intellectual pursuits and equality... I'm even w/you in the desire to see both sexes treated equally in sports... I just don't know how you're...PonyBoy
- ... going to be able to pay someone the same amount of money (regardless of sex) when they don't generate nearly the same value (even though it's the same work)PonyBoy
- Mixed games would be amazing, but let's just start with paying women the same, it's the same sports after all, just sayinggrafician
- And by 'value' I of course mean the monetary revenue they generatePonyBoy
- I'll put it another way: If you forced the WNBA to pay it's players on the level of the NBA ave. wage the WNBA would be out of business tomorrow.PonyBoy
- ... it doesn't have the revenue the NBA does so it' can't pay like the NBA does. The question is how to bring on more viewers / generate fans.PonyBoy
- @Pony sorry man, you pay the same $10 for Amazon OR Netflix, even if Netflix has way more subscribers, you see any difference in value of service?grafician
- Do you think Amazon pays less to actors than Netflix just because Amazon has less subscribers for now? I don't think so...grafician
- Although both surely pay less to women actors lolgrafician
- So if I pay $10 to Amazon OR Netflix I expect they distribute that equally between men and woman actors, you get me now?grafician
- NBA 2019 revenue: $7.4 billion
WNBA 2019 revenue: $60 millionPonyBoy - Get those numbers up... your Netflix and other examples aren't really apples to apples in terms of revenue, grafPonyBoy
- f revenue and capitalism spoiling equality in sports, movies, arts, everything! So mixed teams it is!grafician
- sports salaries, sadly, are defined by audience draw, overall revenue, ad sales, promos, licenses, etc, and that accounts for a lot of the discrepancymonospaced
