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- grafician3
"The WNBA announced that the three games scheduled for this evening have been postponed. "
- I stand with them.shellie
- You need to discuss the payment terms in WNBA after this, cuz those girls work their butts off and still get paid trash, "equality" means that across the boardgrafician
- graf... not the we need to discuss this now (but you brought it up)—they get paid based on the revenue they create (which doesn't compare to the men).PonyBoy
- It's a shit fact if you're only looking at in terms of 'hard work'... I'm in agreement w/you there... but fiscally speaking they're not on the same level.PonyBoy
- I'd love to see some WNBA players as NBA point guards. RIP Gianna Bryant could have been the first. That's how we break the pay scale barrier.shellie
- @Pony I get your point, I know that, but sports should be judged based on effort and performance, not ratings, sorry.grafician
- @shellie rip Gianna, she would've been great no doubt! Follow Sabrina, she's amazing https://twitter.com/…grafician
- that'd be fucking cool, shellie—I feel like some of these girls are close (I follow the Phx Mercury closer than I do the Phx Suns—some of these girls...PonyBoy
- ... can seriously compete)PonyBoy
- unfortunately there wouldn't be a league w/out money and ratings, graf... another shit fact... I know :/PonyBoy
- Back when I was playing bball in highschool we played regularly with our girls team mixed games, don't nobody tell me they deserve less paygrafician
- @Pony I'm not arguing, this is the situation rn, but I'm saying that's needs to changegrafician
- No doubt, graf... all that aside tho... how do we get more people to watch? Cuz that's the only way they get paid more.PonyBoy
- don't nobody tell me Gianna Bryant could'nt compete in the NBA same level someday, the Game is pure, is just managed by white rich guys that want to keep the stgrafician
- status quo, same as with any pro sportsgrafician
- Imagine a league where Gianna could've been in the same Lakers team with Bronny James!grafician
- Imagine Serena beating Federer at Wimbledon! Just fucking imagine!grafician
- Gianna had the power of press and the Mamba legacy behind her. I think her "team" could have got it done. She would have been a big money maker for the league.shellie
- We need another future star people can get behind while she's still at high school level like they do for the boys and point her toward the NBA, with brandsshellie
- like Nike, huge sports agents and sports coverage getting behind that.shellie
- It wasn't long ago they thought women couldn't compete or work with men doing a lot of things. I'd love to see this barrier broken.shellie
- TBH i'd rather see so many more women make it to mixed AAA teams to eventually feed into the pros or let them mix play in Europe or broad to get their chops up.shellie
- "White owners" don't control what 'you or I' choose to watch, graf. WNBA games are very accessible... How do you get more people to watch?PonyBoy
- Idk shellie maybe I'm too of an idealist, but like I said I played mixed games and girls were the same level, our coach was a woman too, no issuesgrafician
- And I dunno about Serena defeating Federer. :) Even she admitted: “If I were to play Andy Murray, I would lose 6-0, 6-0 in five to six minutes...PonyBoy
- I'm all for diversity and equality, can't believe we're having these discussions now, fuck baby steps, I'm all in with change nowgrafician
- ...maybe 10 minutes. No, it’s true. It’s a completely different sport. The men are lot faster and they serve harder, they hit harder..."PonyBoy
- ...it’s just a different game."
—SerenaPonyBoy - the sports brands like nike or adidas already run mixed play ads for years, we just need to change the leagues to play ballgrafician
- same in tech, design, whatever, I'm sick of seeing levels and not equalitygrafician
- @Pony no doubt, but one is Serena saying it, the other is Serena playing it, let's all compete on performance, not gender, race, etc.grafician
- I'm w/you on intellectual pursuits and equality... I'm even w/you in the desire to see both sexes treated equally in sports... I just don't know how you're...PonyBoy
- ... going to be able to pay someone the same amount of money (regardless of sex) when they don't generate nearly the same value (even though it's the same work)PonyBoy
- Mixed games would be amazing, but let's just start with paying women the same, it's the same sports after all, just sayinggrafician
- And by 'value' I of course mean the monetary revenue they generatePonyBoy
- I'll put it another way: If you forced the WNBA to pay it's players on the level of the NBA ave. wage the WNBA would be out of business tomorrow.PonyBoy
- ... it doesn't have the revenue the NBA does so it' can't pay like the NBA does. The question is how to bring on more viewers / generate fans.PonyBoy
- @Pony sorry man, you pay the same $10 for Amazon OR Netflix, even if Netflix has way more subscribers, you see any difference in value of service?grafician
- Do you think Amazon pays less to actors than Netflix just because Amazon has less subscribers for now? I don't think so...grafician
- Although both surely pay less to women actors lolgrafician
- So if I pay $10 to Amazon OR Netflix I expect they distribute that equally between men and woman actors, you get me now?grafician
- NBA 2019 revenue: $7.4 billion
WNBA 2019 revenue: $60 millionPonyBoy - Get those numbers up... your Netflix and other examples aren't really apples to apples in terms of revenue, grafPonyBoy
- f revenue and capitalism spoiling equality in sports, movies, arts, everything! So mixed teams it is!grafician
- sports salaries, sadly, are defined by audience draw, overall revenue, ad sales, promos, licenses, etc, and that accounts for a lot of the discrepancymonospaced