#BLM
#BLM
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- whatthefunk3
- Laser beam!pango
- It better make that sound from 6-million dollar manGnash
- X-Ray vision please.ben_
- The one Matt LeBlanc had in the Lost in Space movie!
https://i.imgur.com/…Akagiyama
- Nairn3
I'm a bit weirded out about Keith Lemon's (whatever his real name is) crying with regret for playing black people, and apparently iPlayer and Netflix removing Little Britain from their services for the same. Frankly, I'm in agreement with the latter, but purely because I always hated Little Britain.
What I don't get is - what's wrong with a white person playing a black person, especially in comedy? I mean - having a white person what should be a black (or any other ethnicity) role in a film or theatre production or whatever's a bit.. well, daft, but if someone wants to make up a character - why not?
If they're joking about the person and not the race, as Keith Lemon (whatever) seems to have done - then so what? I was never a great fan, but I don't recall it ever being about racist stereotypes, but his targets' general -ness.
I've mentioned on here before that - whilst I've not seen the movie it's from (I need to) - one of my favourite memes is the gif of Key & Peele's White Chicks hyper-duck facing. Clearly they're mocking a certain character-type (spoilt valley/daddy's girl), one that is predominantly white - but so what? Fucking cracks me up.
Honestly, I think it's ultimately more divisive to create these barriers (as I see them). I want to see more non-polarised appreciation of personas from comedians, from all sides, not less of it.
- This is low on the pile of shit happening right now, I understand, haha.
Just the reflexive direction things have taken seems.. worrying.Nairn - When it’s done like Jimmy Fallon did Chris Fock and your lampooning a specific person it might be ok, but it’s when it’s an over the top stereotype_niko
- erm, keith lemon isn't on little britain is he?hans_glib
- Of a race like al Holden or when done because you don’t want to use an actual actor from that race like all the yellow face that was done that’s a problem_niko
- *jolson not Holden_niko
- Although even Jolson has a complicated legacy, he’s vilified now but at the time he was celebrated in black circles, with him being Jewish and bringing the suff_niko
- Suffering of the two peoples together and opening the doors for actual black entertainers, many of whom were his close friends._niko
- No, hans - 'Leigh Francis' had some histrionic breakdown last week and today Little Britain was removed from those services.Nairn
- So what's a double act supposed to do when it wants to refer to a person outwith their race? Call in an [insert race] actor? It's ridiculous.Nairn
- if the humour's racist at its core, it doesn't matter whether the participants are blacking up.Nairn
- Don't worry, at the rate things are going no one will remember any of this a month from now.yuekit
- Next
https://www.indiewir…drgs - I want to see an asian actor play a black actor playing a white actress.
And one of them is an owl.Nairn - The only time I wasn't offended was Tropic Thunder. Watching white people imitate what they think black is, is nauseating to me.shellie
- Tropic Thunder was basically pointing out the fact that it's fucked up that hollywood does that. Along with so many other issues they touched. Its a fine lineshellie
- and easily overstepped. In general, I DO NOT want my blackness to be a costume. Same for Geisha, Native American or other ethnic costume. Its disrespectful.shellie
- On top of that, black and ethnic actors are not given as many opportunities. White characters in american entertainment are still by in large the majority.shellie
- Let the ethnic actors play the parts that are written to be a specific ethnicity. Can they at least have THAT opportunity?? Like, damn. Btw, I know many workingshellie
- actors in Los Angeles. I work in entertainment. I've seen this first hand. There's so many levels of yuck on the whole issue.shellie
- "DO NOT want my blackness to be a costume" this is the type of statement that is going to make more people racist in my opinion.Hayzilla
- Curious. from what I know, Japanese seem to be more than happy for non-Japanese to engage in Geisha - what right do you have to gatekeep other cultures?Nairn
- I totally get the point made in Tropic Thunder. It's a good one, mentioned in my post here. However, that's not what I was directing at.Nairn
- What I mean is - if you have an act where they cover all bases, with respect and appreciation - what point is there in getting hysterical about thingsNairn
- .when that treads over their own race? Can they then not 'do' women? People from different regions? People of different heights?Nairn
- If it's not racist, it's not racist. If it is, it is.
Doesn't matter what the 'costume', as you put it, is. Do things with respect and we can all have a laugh.Nairn - (a laugh with, not at)Nairn
- Nairn is spot on. Well said.Hayzilla
- This is low on the pile of shit happening right now, I understand, haha.
- Nairn-2
#whitePeople
- PhanLo0
King Leopold II of Belgium held the Congo Free State (today the Democratic Republic of the Congo) under personal rule from 1885 to 1908. The colonial nations of Europe allowed his claim to the country by his promise to improve the lives of the native inhabitants. He did not make good on this promise. An estimated 10 million Congolese are believed to have perished during his terroristic rule—a huge decline in the population. Many deaths were carried out in the name of labor laws over natural rubber, a main export. Failing to meet quotas could be punished by mutilation (severed hands were all too common) or even death. Disease and famine claimed the lives of many more, and the birth rate suffered immensely.
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Leopold was Belgian’s longest serving ruler and as a result, there are still of statuary tributes to him throughout the country. Many have already been defaced.
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- https://www.instagra…PhanLo
- Columbus did the same thing with the severed handsyuekit
- That second picture tears me up every fucking time I see it. It's one of the grimmest things I've ever seen - and I've seen a shitload. Thanks, internet.Nairn
- The Congo was leopold’s own personal estate. Kinda crazy when you think about it. It did not belong to BelgiumGnash
- insane that a man could wield so much power in a non-government capacity._niko
- Krassy4
- now make the "walk" guy not be whitesarahfailin
- I could have sword they were green. Not in the U.S. but the are in Cuba - you know the bad guys we can't even visit. https://www.shutters…CyBrainX
- nudes4
don't get played #BLM
- SteveJobs0
I'm going to state what could likely be a very unpopular opinion here, but I think the title of the campaign 'black lives matter' itself is the source of it's own controversy - and needlessly so. It's too succinct for its own good amid a crisis that could use some exhaustive and well-articulated communication.
If the issues surrounding the title didn't exist, this would be an understandably confusing statement. One might think the intent IS, in fact, to imply one race is more important or deserving than another. If #BLM didn't yet exist and someone came up with 'white lives matter', no matter the context, this would without a doubt require some serious explanation and finessing.
So what I'm observing is those who don't face the same oppression and lack the context this title serves to remind us of, are left questioning its intent, ultimately causing severe backlash among those who do 'get it', and further clouding a situation that's already not clear enough to those it's so succinctly trying to spread the message to in the first place.
The ones who respond with 'all lives matter' aren't wrong, but they are missing the point. So the question is, was the point made clearly enough? I'm a big proponent of good communication. It's so very lacking in society at so many levels that I'm rarely surprised how many controversies arise as a result of poor, reckless, or lazy communication. And I have to wonder, is this a prime example of that. Should a campaign slogan need an explanation? Should it not clearly and effectively communicate its message to the audience it's trying to reach? I for one think so.. <emoji shrug for days>
Aaand in case it needs to be explicitly stated, I can both hold an opinion that questions the execution of a cause and support that cause itself - at the exact same time. :)
- The key to this is resolution. On the face of it BLM as a movement name doesn't reflect the resolution necessary to understand the issues. At the moment BLM...Morning_star
- ...as a movement isn't cohesive, maybe it will never be. It could do with a manifesto and some identifiable spokespeople. The link needs to be made between...Morning_star
- ...BLM as a rallying cry and the complex issues it believes in.Morning_star
- White privilege much?utopian
- utopian, state that without the sarcasm? The heckler thing isn't conducive to constructive communication and serves no purpose other than self indulgence.SteveJobs
- I'm genuinely puzzled that anyone would have a problem with the name. The context is people getting shot, the original post was "Our lives matter. Black livesyuekit
- matter." In other words, stop shooting us, not we are superior to you. Seems pretty clear to me.yuekit
- But I guess the inability to understand is representative of the total divide in American society.yuekit
- yuekit, depends on what you mean when you say 'total divide'. I don't think ALL of the 'ALM' group are being intentionally obtuse.SteveJobs
- Gradual, evolutionary societal change is effective & resilient. Radical, violent moments appear to make short-term gain, but unleash backlash & 2 steps back.********
- Busty, which of those are you implying characterize the BLM movement?SteveJobs
- I tend to agree with you. All the confusion around the name of the otherwise very well-intentioned movement suggests as much.MondoMorphic
- There is no confusion on where people stand when they reply "All lives matter" to "Black lives matter".deadsperm
- ^@dead actually there is a lot of confusion especially with ppl in other countries that don't quite get the situation in the US.grafician
- the question is to who? are they saying they don't matter do white people? To cops? to other black people?_niko
- ^but overall, no, there should be no confusion - at least if you are decent, smart person.grafician
- deadsperm, I respectfully disagree. Be careful to not assume others' understanding or comprehension of any matter by projecting your own.SteveJobs
- @SteveJobs in some ways your concern is valid, and yes, the movement is just that a movement, no direct leadership - for police to harass even more...grafician
- @SteveJobs Would "All Black Lives Matter" change the message in any way?grafician
- anyway, racism comes from ignorance and lack of respect - it is not pure hate as no person is born hateful, so as it can be taught, it can untaught.grafician
- grafician, i think that would change it in a profound way._niko
- Words take meaning within a context. I find it hard to believe that people in America don't get what BLM means in the American context.deadsperm
- I don't claim to know what the general public might comprehend or understand As an example "Black lives matter too" seems obvious to me but maybe not to others?SteveJobs
- At least the understand it enough to think they need to reply with All Lives Matter.
That's petty. Fuck those people.deadsperm - I don't think they're going to change the slogan at this point guysyuekit
- @dead In America it has a direct meaning according to local context. In other countries, it can be interpreted generally as "Stop Racism" without losing focus.grafician
- But yes, if a person understands the context and still screams "All lives matter" it's punches for! No doubt about it.grafician
- BUT if another person screams "All lives matter" WITHOUT knowing the BLM specific context and thinking they support the movement, that's just silly of themgrafician
- When someone says ALL L.M. that's a great moment to help them understand why it's not really the right moment, and that this is a serious issue********
- deadsperm, fighting intolerance with more intolerance and explitives won't get you anywhere. You'll just alienate the group who's support you're trying to win.SteveJobs
- America is a very complex country with lots of issues that need to be understood very well before talking about it. This goes for everyone, both local & foreigngrafician
- @yuekit, of course not, but I think the discussion is valuable as a retrospective.SteveJobs
- But as a BIG communication problem, most ppl listen to reply, not listening to understand and learn. This is the big elephant in the room everywhere.grafician
- To be extra clear, I'll extend an olive branch to those that claim to not really get what BLM stands for and seek to understand it.deadsperm
- But I'm totally against those that think BLM is controversial and respond with All Lives Matter. They don't get a pass on the excuse of ignorance from me.deadsperm
- I rest my case:
https://www.qbn.com/…deadsperm - ah thank you steve for not responding emotionally and going with trends********
- i think its pretty obvious that the idea BLM is to alientate, divide and try to gain different sets of rights. Think the name is succinct to the point while********
- denying it. why the hate to ALM in regard to police brutality? police authority goes beyond race. even the current case involved has nothing to with racism********
- if its a movement supporting all lifes why get pissed at the mention? also curious of all the races why it is so common this one.********
- hispanics for sure probably more abused by police, covid 19 asian race killings, but no issues. culturally it is very interesting why always black********
- dont have an answer. just really interesting culturally. is it media, or ways cultures handle stuff.********
- @SteveJobs, you're boring, are you French or descendant of French ?********
- deathboy put the nail in the coffin.deadsperm
- Raybandana-3
Is the goal to stop racism? Or just stop it in America and a couple other countries? You guys been to mainland China or Saudi?
- India is the biggest racist country it seems.grafician
- but yes, if it stops in the US, it can follow after that worldwide, as many countries still look up to America as an example of "great" country.grafician
- You think china will follow and india? HaHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHA...Raybandana
- ACTUALLY, the goal of BLM is to stop the police killing of black men, women and children. And if we can't, to at least hold those cops accountable.********
- What part of the phrase "black lives matter" is confusing to you? What part of that phrase makes you think of China or Saudi?********
- Start here, rural america
https://i.imgur.com/…drgs - arent their black people in china and saudi? dont they matter?Raybandana
- I mean can you at least please take two seconds on Wikipedia before you swoop in with your condescending snarky bullshit?********
- okay so we're just going after the cops?Raybandana
- Obviously they matter. What are you saying? Stop asking stupid rhetorical questions. It's an immature way of making a point.********
- Or we're only helping people in America?Raybandana
- People are free to pursue many causes at once. BLM is just one cause, but it's clearly one that resonates with a lot of people right now.********
- Who's pain matters the most?Raybandana
- Again, dude, you're being a total prick. Stop with the rhetorical questions.********
- It was always an American movement. Why did you think otherwise?yuekit
- If someone starts a food bank, do you say it's a bad idea because there are people starving halfway around the world?yuekit
- One reason we're "going after cops" (as you so childishly put it) is that this is a VERY easy problem to solve: 1. Hold cops accountable. Easy.********
- No just wondering what the right way to solve this problem is.Raybandana
- 2. Divert funding from weapons, lawsuits and put it towards giving cops more PTO, therapy, and don't ask them to deal with every problem in our communities.********
- I guess its just about american tthis time, but watch out if you travel because your going to be starting from zero again.Raybandana
- Well if you don't want to read or learn and instead just want to make broad statements based on your own bias, there's probably no reaching you. Best of luck.********
- You are more than welcome to start working on solving racism wherever you see it, be it your country or globally.********
- It would be a much better use of your time than coming on a web forum and posting like you're some kind of teenage troll in his mom's basement.********
- If you tried to stop it in Saudi you'd be locked up for sure. You cant say bad things about the locals, so it you cant really stand up there for it.Raybandana
- Do you live in Saudi? It's always best to work on a local level. See what you can do in your own neighborhood. You don't need to solve everything at once.********
- Yea you can't do that in countries with no free speech. They don't allow protest . You could tell people what is right, which i did, but no one caresRaybandana
- Yea you can't do that in countries with no free speech. They don't allow protest . You could tell people what is right, which i did, but no one caresRaybandana
- terrified to even think of anything that could be a conflict. I can only talk about this now cause im out of the country. Thats how intense it is. So good luck.Raybandana
- Here in America, we allow protest. We also allow cops to beat the shit out of protesters so maybe we should fix our issues before we start lecturing Saudi.********
- alright, so the billions of other people in the world will have to wait for american to set the standard. got it.Raybandana
- Why would they have to wait?********
- Because their waiting for American to solve it.Raybandana
- Why, though?********
- Americans: we solved racism!
Russians:
Chinese: [sending hackers to steal the recipe]
Europeans: Finally
Indians: Looks great what app did you use?grafician - Racism is just the tip and has many levels.********
- Stupid questions. This just happens to have started in America because of Americans in American situations, and now having an American protest.monospaced
- It doesn’t mean it’s ignoring racism worldwide. That is a very flawed leap of logic there buddy.monospaced
- the people defending it have little respect or knowledge of the larger world. chasing own ends. the good ol "greed"********
- pawns of special interests and media hoping to gain un earned wealths and power********
- The people are simply focused on what is affecting them. The idea that some people in the Midwest would take to the streets over Middle East racism is stupid AFmonospaced
- It’s not a matter of ignorance. It’s a matter of practicality.monospaced
- Ok I guess the billions of other people will suffer and its just the americans that get speak and fight about it.Raybandana
- because its only practical to solve racism in America, not anywhere else. Only American Black Lives matter, not Black lives anywhere else, becauseRaybandana
- because its only practical to solve racism in America, not anywhere else. Only American Black Lives matter, not Black lives anywhere else, becauseRaybandana
- Its too impractical to fight the problem anywhere else but America.Raybandana
- Case closed! Only America is lucky enough to have the freedom to protest the rest can burn in hell because its just too impractical.Raybandana
- Once again, you missed the point. It's like you're willfully ignoring how this happened, and why, just to make some nonsense statement about the middle east.monospaced
- This is an American movement. Why would BLM protests extend to a completely separate issue entirely? Fucking idiot.monospaced
- Dont all black lives matter everywhere? Only America I guess right? Cause that where the problem is right? Fucking Idiot.Raybandana
- Black Lives Matter (BLM) is an international human rights movement. You fucking idiot. Look it up. You fucking idiot.Raybandana
- ********0
The goal of BLM is that Black Lives Matter and they are disproportionately subjected to police brutality and tougher sentences and there is systemic racism that affects people getting loans, buying homes, getting jobs, etc.
White people have enjoyed greater economic success as a result of this policing and various policies and slavery.
The goal is to level the playing field and give black people the same opportunities white people have enjoyed since this country was founded.
That's why people say "silence = violence" because if black people are not included or organizations are primarily white, people of color's voices are not heard and implicit biases and systemic problems continue, whether people mean for them to or not.
- Yes.monospaced
- ugh but that's not true. its a over broad generalization. ie white people have enjoyed greater economic success as a result of policing********
- only in as much as police helped protect property. police didnt stop black hedgefund mergers or corporate takeovers.********
- slavery for sure. free labor wasn't free with food and housing. but helped wealth. without a doubt treating black people as property was********
- wrong. it as those times, not now. if you think china factories that provide room and board to work 60+ a week minimal wages. Willingly. Its not very different********
- opportunities are all equal. if you deny why? i think jsut looking for "special" opportunities or rights.********
- people are stupid creatures. even to today its popularly held minimum wage laws are a good thing, although it hurts blacks far more and keeps them out of********
- labor. It is in my opinion a shit ton of nonsense being peddled by youre masters. Flaming you for their own political aims and gains.********
- antifa and blm, only thing unites them is anti-trump rhetoric. enemy of my enemy and both being manipulated by the ppl who really despise freedom and love power********
- much much worse than trump, that are so pissed trump, a simpleton, got in there way.********
- not gonna lie. kind of surprised that came from omaha. lol
good one.pango - ^ not good?********
- good onepango
- The goal is to level the playing field in america not in china or saudi because its to impractical to solve the worlds problems. Only American are lucky enoughRaybandana
- If that's your conclusion, then you clearly have fuckall for understanding of what's actually happening. It's pretty fucked up of you Clay.monospaced
- ********-1
- Gave me chills watching this at the end of John Oliver's last episode.Akagiyama
- Akagiyama1
- why? To get rid of a piece of history now associated with south pride, is like getting rid of gay flags or nor cal stickers********
- u think because its offensive to you that people flying gay pride flags but religion tells them you shouldnt feel that way are any different than you?********
- the idiots who chase emotionally chase symbols they have issue than try to ban them from others as an idea of equality infuriate me********
- pot calling the kettle black. its so selfish with no acknowledgment of it. like a petulant child.********
- pride is a sin is what the bible says. every other pride accept accepted. as soon as religion doctrine starts to decline it rises again in new forms********
- Preach!deadsperm
- thought you be happy this privately owned business is trying to reach a bigger fan base? maybe cuz the racist fan base was stopping them from growth?pango
- racists are bad for business.pango
- Last time I checked the Pride flag wasn't a deeply-ingrained symblo associated with rape, murder, slavery, kidnapping, and death. You silly little fucking cunt.face_melter
- No one got rid of the confederate flag DB, a private business made a decision not to let a symbol of hatred on their property. You're welcome to still waveben_
- whatever flags you like, obviously.ben_
- The battle flag of the confederacy is not a symbol of southern pride.cannonball1978
- say what you will its coercion censorship. this shit with isis destroying national heritage sites is no differemt********
- its a pretty slippery slope. if this snitch witchcraft shit engineered to out any disrespectign person to trump... really think through what you are adocating********
- similar to a hk person calling out lebron. this fake virtue signalling fear to keeps a fake idea of socials support cant last********
- ben_ and as much i appreciate free choice on enterprise it feels like falling to terrorism. waiting for a business to act the adults and say shut the fuck up********
- you insulant children. you are all hypocrites. maybe this time it will teach adults adapting to coial media brings them back into the high school nonsense********
- let them realize school sucked or rocked becuase bullshit feedback loops. real life outside school sytems are for adults********
- get off the social tit and go back to normal.********
- what is normal?pango
- Nope. You’re completely wrong deathboy.Green_Pork
- why? To get rid of a piece of history now associated with south pride, is like getting rid of gay flags or nor cal stickers
- drgs0
- drgs1
#BLM is a message where the sending side is white, the receiving side is white, the offended side is also white, and the outcome will be more hate for black people
Discuss
- got anything to back it up or is that what you feel?pango
- lol @ pango********
- Where’d you pull that pearler from? Jesus wept...BusterBoy
- Vast majority of racists are latent, people who express racism in a non-verbose way, they are watching on the periphery right nowdrgs
- The bloodiest war in the history of America was the civil war, and we all know what it was aboutdrgs
- Been reading The Guardian, drgs?Nairn
- The narrative is becoming white racism is bad, but black racism is good. Although many claim there is no such thing as black racism, doesn't exist.********
- whats white racism, white racism?pango
- black racism?pango
- drgs1
Gordon Klein, lecturer in accounting, was asked (by his white students) to "give black students special treatment, given the tragedy in Minnesota", ie. to let them pass without taking the exam. He said no --> death threats and a petition to fire him
- you such a pathetic loser man.tank02
- Doesn't it feel good to have someone to hate? Just follow the pointing finger. BLM in a nutshelldrgs
- it's worth reading the counter petition
https://www.change.o…Bluejam - ... just to get BOTH sides of the story although the important missing piece is the initial email asking for 'the special treatment'Bluejam
- ... without it, it's difficult to judge whether his response correct. Also worth noting that the counter petition has more signaturesBluejam
- lolpango
- (((Gordon Klein))) should play his holocaust card.Doris_McSquirter
- That trumps the BLM card in the hierarchy of oppression surely?Doris_McSquirter
- wut?pango
- pango12
Village People Kick Out Police Officer
- lolpango
- hahahayuekit
- loluan
- Lol. PerfectGnash
- So gay.NBQ00
- How is the Injun not 'problematic'? Red Lives Matter.Doris_McSquirter
- ^ @Moderator can we ban this racist for choosing this kind of language?********
- Easily googled: the guy who played that role for almost the entire history of the band is native. So fuck off Doris, you ignorant fuck.********
- ^pango
- 20 years ago I worked near a guy who shaved his head and dated the indian from the village people. after he left the company...CyBrainX
- the next guy sitting at that desk dated the indian from the village people and shaved his head.CyBrainX
- Wow, cy. WeirdGnash
- Don't shave your head!nbq
- And that next guy... was you?drgs
- lol this thread took on a life of it's own.garbage
- Amazing.********
- RidiculousMondoMorphic
- No fuck!!! LOL********
- +1********
