Intellectual Dark Web
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- nudes7
click bait ... this has nothing to do with dark web
- Jeremyhead2
how about this dude?
https://www.corbettreport.com/bi…- careful on thereFax_Benson
- he's great!mugwart
- gateway drugFax_Benson
- ^ what makes you righteous (not meant to come across as aggressive)mugwart
- don't have a clue, really. I know that if you buy into it it's difficult to come back.Fax_Benson
- not specifically that article but alt news in general.Fax_Benson
- I hear you but what is "alt" when we have been lied to for so long (BBC child rings spring to mind). This guy is good, he posts his sources. He not in fear pornmugwart
- BonSeff1
Give a salary-challenged man a chance, ladies
- haven't watched this yet - does he do Bird on the Wire?Fax_Benson
- yuekit1
Long form discussion is good but I don't find a lot of the ideas to be genuinely interesting or challenging. A lot of it amounts to knee-jerk anti-leftism.
It is interesting to see how the new atheism movement (represented by Sam Harris) sort of evolved into an anti-feminist movement and now is essentially just embracing the tenants of social conservatism.
If you follow all of Peterson's recommendations your outcome in life is basically to become a conservative dad who votes Republican and goes to church every week.
- yuppr2
- Agreed, except for Harris - I find he has a rational stance on certain topics, and am somewhat of a fan. And really get into his discussions on AI.inteliboy
- I am interested if there are any counter arguments or other speakers/podcasts/ta... we should be listening to?inteliboy
- Yeah Sam Harris is probably the best out of all of them but I don't get the affinity he has for people like Peterson, Ben Shapiro or Dave Rubin.yuekit
- i read peterson's new book and i shit you not, there's a scripture passage every other pagescarabin_net
- that said, he has a lot of really interesting and well-thought-out things to sayscarabin_net
- pr2-20
ANY half-decent book about Marxism or Postmodernism "destroys" (if you want to use the youtube click-bait terms) any of Peterson's position on those two topics. This in itself wouldn't belittle his other points if he didn't chose himself to stake everything on this one card. It seems in his universe Marxism and Postmodernism is source of all evil. Unlike Peterson who seems to have read one book about about each subject - i have read a lot, and let me tell you one truth of life: anyone who says the problem is THIS (inserts whatever singular topic) is a charlatan.
- I think what he's saying is basically, don't look only at theory. Look at evidence. There's an emergent property in Marxism that frequently leads to mass murdermonNom
- marxism is the source of all evil.hotroddy
- it impoverishes society and rules with authoritarianismhotroddy
- Evidence detached from theory is empty talk.pr2
- how much more evidence do you need than last 70 years of failed marxists states?hotroddy
- Forget about Marxism in terms of economics. Peterson's issue is that he is one of those people pushing the idea of "cultural Marxism" which is ridiculous.yuekit
- Also he equates post-modernism with identity politics which is a huge dumbing down of a complex philosophical and artistic movement.yuekit
- what yuekit said. hotroddy have you ever read a serious book about Marxism?pr2
- That ideology destroyed my country. I have no interest in reading a book about Marxism.hotroddy
- I've read milton freedman in college. It made a lot of sense to me at the timehotroddy
- Identity politics is exactly how the next Socialist president of USA will be elected.hotroddy
- have you ever met a black republican?hotroddy
- today and more so in the future - political affiliation will be determined by ethnicity rather than economic class.hotroddy
- marxissm was created before the first car factory line. That single event changes everything in human history. We do need to change but with fresh ideasmugwart
- " I have no interest in reading a book about it" - that pretty much ends the discussion right there. I have no interest debating your feelings.pr2
- one doesn't need to be well versed in the frankfort school in order to have an opinion on the subject that's valid.Gnash
- and not all criticism of cultural marxism goes down the kooky rabbit hole of some conspiracy involving the jewsGnash
- it's totally legitimate to apply marxist theory along cultural lines rather than just economic.Gnash
- marxism is the way of the moron.severian
- @pr2 why debate whats in a book instead of real world examples of last 70 yrs. NK, East Germany, Cuba, Venezuela, Soviet Union, Eastern Europehotroddy
- but only this time in USA it will work... right?hotroddy
- we just haven't read the book carefully enoughhotroddy
- @gnash, how do you apply along cultural lines?hotroddy
- I was referring to the suggestion above that the idea of "cultural marxism" is ridiculous one.Gnash
- the term may not conform to it's academic origin, but I don't think it's application in the current discussion is inappropriateGnash
- (barring the crazy conspiracy theories some tie to the term)Gnash
- relocate to Venezuela and experience it for yourself!ernexbcn
- Cultural Marxism makes it sound like social change and womens/gay rights is some sort of plot to destroy society...yuekit
- engineered by secret communists or Jews (depending on who you ask), as opposed to simply the natural evolution of peoples' attitudes over time.yuekit
- ^ those are the kooky theories I was referring to (the nefarious social plot nonsense).Gnash
- But I don't think that the rest can be reduced to a simple consequence of natural evolution. That's where the discussion liesGnash
- I get it now. Thanks for clarifying. Cultural Marxism will not destroy society. If anything, it will make society more empathetic.hotroddy
- not sure I'd go that far, hotroddy :)Gnash
- you talking without research about a topic (yes, reading) = we are dealing with your feelings or diarrhea coming out of your ass.pr2
- i'm not interested in neither. this shouldn't (as it clearly isn't) stopping you from forming an opinion but a value of this opinion to others is close to zero.pr2
- i_monk3
Isn't this just the alt-right without the screaming?
- no - its people expressing a different view. Right or wrong its their viewmugwart
- kinda sick of the “just differing view” claim. You can find those anywhere.monospaced
- everyone has a voice and a growth. No one can take their right to express their life as they want to. For me its only wrong when they act out badly to others.mugwart
- You get that you can express something and still be fundamentally wrong, yes? And that your free expression can actually cause harm?i_monk
- You being sick of differing views doesn't make them alt-right.cannonball1978
- I'm not sick of differing views at all! I'm saying I'm sick of people using that as a catch all explanation for why believe someone doesn't like something.monospaced
- For example, i've heard the claim that liberals don't like the alt right simply because of differing views. That is simply not the case.monospaced
- It's not because the views are different, it's because they are despicable in most cases. There is a distinction. Different views aren't an issue by themselves.monospaced
- yep mono.fadein11
- Neither Harris or Peterson identify politically as ‘right’. Both claim to be liberal centrists. I think it’s symptomatic of the ‘left’ ideologoy to attempt to..Morning_star
- ... label a group and then project an agenda driven and fictitious description on it. Truth is often brushed aside for the sake of convenience.Morning_star
- are you fucking high?BonSeff
- Has Peterson ever criticized the right to the same degree?i_monk
- I think his main target is Marxist and post modernists but he does lay into fascists and the alt right as well_niko
- I think he sees one as ridiculous and the other as dangerous_niko
- _niko-4
SJW's arguments fall apart when taken to task quite easily.
So if someone self identifies as "insert whatever here" it's our job to refer to them with the pronoun of their choosing or else we're bigots.
But, if I decide that i feel black, or native, and I demand that you refer to me as chief, how many of these SJW would respect my wishes?
- mg330
Semi-related, but I read this article "Alt-Right Troll To Father Killer: The Unraveling of Lane Davis" on the train this morning and was pretty riveted by it. Some of you are mentioning SJW and I never knew what that stood for until I read this article.
- Also, if someone can explain to me how the right embraced Milo Y, I'd love to hear it.mg33
- Because Bannon gave him a job at Breitbart to write the kind of stuff they like for cash.Fax_Benson
- because he trolls feminists and anyone with a liberal stance.inteliboy
- Because he's an Uncle Tom selling out the gays for a pat on the head from people who'd put him in a camp if they could.i_monk
- So true monk_niko
- shapesalad3
In the discourse of the discussion I think everyone is loosing sight of what the overall task of a human on planet earth is all about. We are no different from the dinosaurs, apes and most other vertebrae species. We are tasked to mate, nurture our offspring, and since we have more intellectual capacity than other species, we should be aiming to nurture planet earth for the greater good of all living things.
- that's exactly the kind of statement you hear on these podcasts/talks.inteliboy
- shapesalad1
You missed the greatest of them all off your list - Robert Sapolsky.
Not sure if he's considered dark web... however his 25 lectures here, are of great value and should be mandatory viewing for the masses, especially for religious nuts:
- In one lecture he points out how forest dwelling people usually invented and believed in multiple gods.shapesalad
- where as desert dwellers, followed only 1 god. and desert nomadic had 1 god + strict rules on gender roles/marriage/sex.shapesalad
- You'll have to watch the lectures and think a little to understand why that is. It puts into perspective religion - it is all a manmade fiction.shapesalad
- What Robert Sapolsky talks about, is the mechanics at atomic level that all Peterson and his ilk's dialogue sits upon.shapesalad
- And everyone else dialogue for that matter...shapesalad
- cooldrgs
- BonSeff0
- sam totally misunderstands (or purposely misrepresents) the idea of equality of outcome. I stopped listening after that became clearGnash
- sorry you stopped.BonSeff
- it was glaring disingenuous, and sets the tone for his intellectual honesty. he's clearly not after understanding but after a lazy consensusGnash
- any valid point he has is obscured by that.Gnash
- yeah, this totally misses the point. That said, Peterson's starting point re workplace / income equality overlooks as many fundamentalsFax_Benson
- ^ that's true. he tends to ignore/discredit any data that doesn't agree with his perspective.Gnash
- Morning_star-8
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Happy New Year you special pirates.
The video discussion is worth a look if you want a left leaning perspective on the value and meaning of the IDW.
- PhanLo0
Tim Pool's sister think's the person who used to be her brother is gone and some other personality inhabits his beanie hat clad body.
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- uan2
Andrew Yang is a nice product of this intellectual movement.
