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So most of us QBNers are pretty left, or at least moderate. So these questions go out to you right-wingers:
What does a right wing utopia look like?
What is the quality of life like for the general populace?
How is the air quality and water quality maintained?
Who governs, and how are they appointed or elected?
the problem with a right wing utopia is its based on capitalism which is deeply flawed not unlike socialism.
in a right wing utopia the rich get richer and the poor get poorer the problem is everyone wants to be rich so its a vicious cycle (much like it is now)
it would need to be tempered by some sort of globally accepted link between pay at the top and bottom end of the scale with dividends payed down within a business - potentially in the form of shares to keep investment within a company.
these could of course be sacrificed by the owner.
it would also have to have all the legal loopholes removed that stop the richest avoiding paying their share.
with earnings tied to performance everyone should profit from hard work.
fair taxation would handle social issues.
governments would need to be elected much as they are now but with better rules around bribery/lobbying and post service employment/benefits.- it would probably be better to pension off officials and not allow them to work for profit after service with renumeration tied to gdp or improvements in living standards.
lastly a conservative approach would do away with labelling and treat everyone equally as "people" (accepting some may have different medical needs). sexual orientation, colour, race, religion would all need to take a back seat and not allowed to influence legislation.
sounds far fetched? wel;l thats why its a utopia.
What is it about capitalism that has failed us? For the last 250 years, the world has seen unparalleled improvements in education, health, and longevity. The poorest among us have advantages that the kings back then could never dream of. Moreover, despite what you might believe from the news, on average, the world of today is a far safer place to live than it has ever been in all of human history.
I think it's a common misunderstanding these days that right always wants free market capitalism and left stands for anti-capitalism.
Left and right are more about your general worldview. The left wants change and to disrupt the current system, the right believes in tradition and keeping power structures in place.
So a true right-wing society would look like one where the powerful (such as elites and ethnic majority) enjoy a lot of power, and religious and moral structures stay in place.
- i had a teacher who said of conservatives, "when you're on the top, all change is bad."sarahfailin
- this is a fair distinguishing to be about whether "right-wing" means "conservative" or "capitalist." but i think either definition works for this questionsarahfailin
- Except, I'd argue, Trump was very much a "change and disrupt" candidate to the self-proclaimed conservatives.section_014
- and the left-wing is the bernie sanders socialists so far from rationality they think they can have cake and eat it too? u started with a comparisondeathboy
- and never finished. where is the true left wing in your world view? hell all your lenin and stalin and hitlers did great to disrupt. regardless if for betterdeathboy
- Capitalists don't want a free market, they want monopolies.i_monk
- trump was also a reactionary candidate, wanting to take everybody back to the good-old-days and make america gr7 againsarahfailin
- ethnic majority is independent from political affiliation and can be left or right. USA ethnic demographic is changing and majority will be left in 50yrs timehotroddy
Kingdom of Bhutan.
For the most part, the right are old people who don't want change and don't are too busy in their lives or ignorant to care about social or environmental issues.
Or they are wealthy assholes who want to stay wealthy.
Or they are religious and don't want liberals messing with their church values.
Or they are poor and being sold a dream that won't work.
- So the ppl who are right wingers are those with haves and see reason to keep what they have. By contrast I'd gleam the left are have nots and using social/envirdeathboy
- issues to justify their greed for what they don't have. Sounds a like a really good generalization that i agree with.deathboy
But most of politics, right or left is selling a vision for the future that may not be feasible.
the right wing are in a large genralization no different than the left wing.
There are many men of principle in both parties in America, but there is no party of principle.- Alexis de Tocqueville
To truely understand the difference you need to explicitly line item the values of a group. Knowing not all who may identify with such a group might not be representative of such values. Such is generalization parlor tricks.
To sarahfailin original thread post, he/she/trans/robot (so scared of PC sex shit) needs to identity the values ...fuck it... they....think are related to their idea of the right wingers and as such make for a better society than the alternative.As the question stands you are asking the wrong questions unless you are trying to virtue signal to others in a shallow instagram fashion or just really had no idea about what you are asking. Stuck in the group of fat people at bars who argue team sports because they have nothing better to talk about.
- my question was aimed at the people who identify as 'right' whatever that means to them, to ask what is the ideal they are chasing.sarahfailin
- i know the general capitalist vision of 'prosperity for all' and its fallacies. i also wanted to give a chance to the trolls to put their own vision out theresarahfailin
- maybe it was naive of me to think they were anything but bad-faith actors, looking to stir the pot.sarahfailin
- trooperbill is the only guy with the cojones to put his idea out.sarahfailin
- ramble onmonospaced
- sarah that's fine. put like that it is a simple question of identity politics. fair enough. I just don't think you will get many people who strongly identify asdeathboy
- that. Probably be better to suggest the values you associate with the term right wing and ask how people believe those things are better than the alternative.deathboy
- I think I see where you are going I just think you might get better results a different way. Hey look the fun of different ideas to guide society!deathboy
- Let the winner decide the one way of doing anything and shove it down the throats of the minority! :)deathboy
- Also it's truely more of an inviting way than asking people to defend arbitrary identity politics without a baseline or focusdeathboy
It doesn't exist, obviously, but you could argue that we're pretty close to it now, with conservative governments in charge but enough left / liberal bogeymen out there on which to blame the non-existence.
Make people fight each other while the government / corporations exploits the division. This happens left or right and each utopia will never be reached.