Right Wing Utopia
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- lowimpakt-2
- Obviously a biased perspective but this does underscore why both sides, left and right, are necessary. Neither extreme works/is ideal.MondoMorphic
- ...the right will all have heart attacks as they suck the life out of the planet, while the left will starve because they only wanted to chase butterflies.MondoMorphic
- Because everyone's ambition on earth is, of course, to chase butterflies.mandomafioso
- yea, it's a joke though. there is no clearly definable left/right split. the world is more complicatedlowimpakt
- Yes that'll work, all these people who's ambition it is to do hard manual labour and fight off the jerks that want to blow you up. Totally sane plan.zarkonite
- Oh mondo. You know it’s the left that works the hardest in the best jobs and makes he best money. So full of shit.monospaced
- Satire...MondoMorphic
- robotron3k-2
USA has always been right wing (our on-going wars are an example), and that's why we grew so fast in last century. Poland is def right wing and successfulas hell, Hungary, Austria, Italy will soon follow... is that what you're asking?
- The closest to a full right-wing utopia it might be Japan.robotron3k
- Japan?! With high taxes on the wealthy, inheritance tax, health care for all? Surely you jest. Seems like USA is pretty close to a right wing utopia right now.mandomafioso
- Only thing we need to be more a utopia is to be able to cancel all rights for minorities. We're well on our way there though!mandomafioso
- do some reading before posting such rubbish.inteliboy
- who is the minority you speak of?robotron3k
- sarahfailin1
Part of my curiosity is in wondering whether our vision for the perfect world is actually the same, but we believe in taking distinct paths to get to there. If the left and right were able to agree on an end goal, then, MAYBE, we could engage in a reasoned discussion on how to get there.
But it's true that there are too many politicians and others acting in bad faith, who don't strive towards any political ideals, but are making cynical cash grabs from a vulnerable democratic system, with no foresight or concern for the planet or general well-being. Others are just apathetic and unconcerned with the real ramifications of policy decisions; they prefer to take the policy choices at face-value, and they even question or disregard the factual reality their policies have created.
give 'em their tv, meat, and air conditioning, and people will be happy with whatever. maybe that is the true right wing utopia, and we're already living it.
- 80% of the people agree on 80%® of the issues is my motto (yes, that's trademarked, send me a check if you use it)formed
- Bluejam2
- :)fadein11
- this has to be one of the most beautiful intros to a film ever and perfectly sums up what follows. Peak Lynch.fadein11
- ding ding ding! winnersarahfailin
- Fax_Benson1
It doesn't exist, obviously, but you could argue that we're pretty close to it now, with conservative governments in charge but enough left / liberal bogeymen out there on which to blame the non-existence.
- meh not reallymonospaced
- good point - probably not.Fax_Benson
- mekk0
- deathboy1
the right wing are in a large genralization no different than the left wing.
There are many men of principle in both parties in America, but there is no party of principle.- Alexis de Tocqueville
To truely understand the difference you need to explicitly line item the values of a group. Knowing not all who may identify with such a group might not be representative of such values. Such is generalization parlor tricks.
To sarahfailin original thread post, he/she/trans/robot (so scared of PC sex shit) needs to identity the values ...fuck it... they....think are related to their idea of the right wingers and as such make for a better society than the alternative.As the question stands you are asking the wrong questions unless you are trying to virtue signal to others in a shallow instagram fashion or just really had no idea about what you are asking. Stuck in the group of fat people at bars who argue team sports because they have nothing better to talk about.
- my question was aimed at the people who identify as 'right' whatever that means to them, to ask what is the ideal they are chasing.sarahfailin
- i know the general capitalist vision of 'prosperity for all' and its fallacies. i also wanted to give a chance to the trolls to put their own vision out theresarahfailin
- maybe it was naive of me to think they were anything but bad-faith actors, looking to stir the pot.sarahfailin
- trooperbill is the only guy with the cojones to put his idea out.sarahfailin
- ramble onmonospaced
- sarah that's fine. put like that it is a simple question of identity politics. fair enough. I just don't think you will get many people who strongly identify asdeathboy
- that. Probably be better to suggest the values you associate with the term right wing and ask how people believe those things are better than the alternative.deathboy
- I think I see where you are going I just think you might get better results a different way. Hey look the fun of different ideas to guide society!deathboy
- Let the winner decide the one way of doing anything and shove it down the throats of the minority! :)deathboy
- Also it's truely more of an inviting way than asking people to defend arbitrary identity politics without a baseline or focusdeathboy
- omahadesigns0
But most of politics, right or left is selling a vision for the future that may not be feasible.
- omahadesigns6
For the most part, the right are old people who don't want change and don't are too busy in their lives or ignorant to care about social or environmental issues.
Or they are wealthy assholes who want to stay wealthy.
Or they are religious and don't want liberals messing with their church values.
Or they are poor and being sold a dream that won't work.
- shapesalad1
Kingdom of Bhutan.
Brunei.
Kyrgyzstan.- Rarely hear about the people of these lands, so I presume they are having a nice time and doing fine with their economic/political systems.shapesalad
- Perhaps we copy their systems?shapesalad
- yuekit5
I think it's a common misunderstanding these days that right always wants free market capitalism and left stands for anti-capitalism.
Left and right are more about your general worldview. The left wants change and to disrupt the current system, the right believes in tradition and keeping power structures in place.
So a true right-wing society would look like one where the powerful (such as elites and ethnic majority) enjoy a lot of power, and religious and moral structures stay in place.
- i had a teacher who said of conservatives, "when you're on the top, all change is bad."sarahfailin
- this is a fair distinguishing to be about whether "right-wing" means "conservative" or "capitalist." but i think either definition works for this questionsarahfailin
- Except, I'd argue, Trump was very much a "change and disrupt" candidate to the self-proclaimed conservatives.section_014
- and the left-wing is the bernie sanders socialists so far from rationality they think they can have cake and eat it too? u started with a comparisondeathboy
- and never finished. where is the true left wing in your world view? hell all your lenin and stalin and hitlers did great to disrupt. regardless if for betterdeathboy
- Capitalists don't want a free market, they want monopolies.i_monk
- trump was also a reactionary candidate, wanting to take everybody back to the good-old-days and make america gr7 againsarahfailin
- ethnic majority is independent from political affiliation and can be left or right. USA ethnic demographic is changing and majority will be left in 50yrs timehotroddy
- hotroddy1
What is it about capitalism that has failed us? For the last 250 years, the world has seen unparalleled improvements in education, health, and longevity. The poorest among us have advantages that the kings back then could never dream of. Moreover, despite what you might believe from the news, on average, the world of today is a far safer place to live than it has ever been in all of human history.