Star Trek: Discovery
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- Wolfboy0
Sounds like it's going to remain at the wrong end of my stuff to watch list then. Fingers crossed for the new Picard show being up to snuff.
- Nairn0
It's more of the same, if not moreso. There are strong rumours the whole thing's going to get canned though, so whethe ror not it's worth the investment, I can't say.
It's definitely NOT TNG, etc, but I find it quite enjoyable overall.
The fucking hypercolour rainbow inclusivity's a bit irritating, mind.
- Oh? I've not heard these rumours ...Continuity
- I just looked it up. Doesn't look like they're from a reliable source.Continuity
- Wolfboy0
I've not watched any of the second season as I really did not enjoy the first. It never felt like Star Trek to me (far too explosions and punching based – which I have no issue with, I just want something slightly more cerebral from Star Trek)
So am I missing out? Have they adjusted the tone and style to be a bit more on brand? Should I give it another go considering the type of things that turned me off the first season?
- On the whole, you're not really missing much. Although, I will admit Anson Mount plays a thoroughly watchable Pike.Continuity
- I've been enjoying but I'm not a treky.thumb_screws
- I love that they brought Pike in but he's not as good as Bruce Greenwood in the recent movies.CyBrainX
- No way, Bruce Greenwood has nothing on Anson Mount's Pike.Continuity
- thumb_screws0
So is section 31 a rip of special circumstances from Ian m banks culture novels. Which came first?
- Nairn1
So .. no mention of the new series yet?
I was a bit taken aback when I heard someone who sounded very much like Tig Notaro pop up.. and then it's fucking her.
The chummy millennial inclusivity is grating a little bit. Plain Jane Ginger girl was only beat by some guy in a wheelchair sweeping through shot on the Discovery at some point.
Still, it's daft slightly camp fun - just like the original series.
- No mention cos it still sucks.
No sense repeating it.Continuity
- No mention cos it still sucks.
- Continuity0
LOL
'Star Trek: Discovery Showrunners Fired
Aaron Harberts and Gretchen Berg have been replaced by Alex Kurtzman amid reports of bullying and budgetary issues.'
http://www.denofgeek.com/us/tv/s…
I'd be extremely surprised if this turd makes it to four seasons, never mind seven.
- Damn, and there's me thinking the bump was indicative that the next season was starting...detritus
- scarabin1
man, i defended the shit outta this series here when it first came out, then lost interest almost immediately. guess i should give it another go?
- CyBrainX0
I just read this review. I couldn't agree more.
- Wolfboy3
In a side note on my last post CyBrainX asked "So, there's nothing this show can do to please you in any way?"
Well as much as I’ve not enjoyed this first season I would love it if they managed turn it around and make it something great. So here are a few things they could do:
1/ Ditch the season arc. I know that’s how modern TV works, but fuck it, this is Star Trek and interesting stand alone stories are a big part of the show. I don’t know how everyone else felt, but for me the show was at its best in the episode where Dwight from The Office was fucking with them in a time loop. It was an entertaining problem, they solved it, they moved on.
They have set up a universe that would now lend itself to episodic television like this - The Federation is decimated and this show is now about rebuilding and all the issues that come with that. With a weakened Federation we could see interactions with aliens looking to take advantage of the situation. Let’s get something other than running and punching back in it - a bit of space politics wouldn’t go a miss. Also, as a point of difference to previous Trek, maybe expand to see the Klingons rebuilding in parallel; these two wider themes/stories could overlap from time to time so it doesn’t feel like the firs season is forgotten about.
2/ Concentrate on the new Captain. Fuck Burnham as the centre of the show, she is a personality vacuum and although would still be there as Science officer, she would not be the focus. Make sure the new Captain is an interesting well written, well acted character too - Burnham has been dull dull dull.
I don’t think there actually needs to be a brand new Captain by the way, I’d be happy with Sarue as Captain and watching how he, as a natural coward/creature of flight develops. But what ever they go with, the Captain has to be interesting and the lynchpin of the show.
3/ More actual characters. Star Trek is an ensemble piece and at the moment there are faces on the bridge every week that I couldn’t name and have had about 10 lines between them across the whole first season. With a more traditional stand alone episode style show we could see these characters fleshed out.
4/ Bring it into line with the prime timeline. I know it’s easy to whinge about this, but fuck it, they made the decision to make this a prequel, not us. So they need to tie off all the flapping loose technological ends; destroy the spore drive for a start and explain why we've never seen it again. That bullshit throw away remark from Stamets about a none human interface was not enough to write it out of the show.
5/ Fuck fan service. It’s the worst of lazy writing in modern entertainment. Get what ever bullshit they’ve got planned with the Enterprise out of the way and concentrate on building new things that we like. You know, like they did with TNG.
6/ Just write it better. I think the main issue with this whole show has been bad writing. Poor dialogue with too much clunky exposition, characters that did not get properly fleshed out and bad plotting both for individual episodes and across the season.
As I mentioned already, I thought the time loop episode was pretty tight and well constructed. I cared about what was happening and I was happy with a resolution that wasn’t just a big showdown. They should concentrate on this kind of writing.
- Dwight from the Office was also Max Headroom that spastic head in a box from early 80s MTV.
They can't decimate the Federation and stay inline with prime canonCyBrainX - I don't think it's fan service to leverage a half century of awesome every once in a while. Sarek has been awesome in any Star Trek incarnation. We've had threeCyBrainX
- I agree about Saru. I think he'd make a good captain and he did an admirable job of making peace with Burnham.CyBrainX
- I think character development has been very good in some cases but there are a few regulars on the bridge that haven't opened their mouths yet.CyBrainX
- I'm pretty sure we'll see Georgiu again. They seem quite taken with that character. I just don't want to see anymore mirror nonsense.CyBrainX
- I'm tired of seeing James Franco waving his hands.CyBrainX
- Actually, Max Headroom was Matt Frewer.Continuity
- Dwight from the Office was also Max Headroom that spastic head in a box from early 80s MTV.
- ETM1
St: Discovery, keeping up the tradition of overly conveniently wrapping up major plot points in the last 5 minutes.
Holodeck malfunction, we will pull the isolinear chips and restart.
Dr. Crusher get's it on with a ghost, phaser the candle it lives in.
Vicious enemy that demands blood, destruction and near destroys the entire Federation. A conflict that defines the next 100 years or more, just plant a bomb and give up the "calculator".
- i_monk1
The Fed headquarters in Paris is actually Vaughan city hall:
https://www.google.ca/maps/@43.8…
Part of a proud tradition of Ontario municipal architecture showing up in Trek:
- Wolfboy0
Well I previously complained about the way that so far every situation had been sorted out by utilising punching, shooting and...
But the finale did not do that and was just a tedious hour of television.
*I guess the next paragraph is a spoiler, although it’s that dull that it’s not really spoiling anything*
They seemed to do very very little to sort out a galactic war. A couple of speeches, a Klingon waves a calculator at some other Klingons and the whole show resets like a bog standard sit-com.
So I guess the bottom line is that this show suffers from one problem, terrible terrible writing. Dialogue, episode plots, season arcs; none of it really works.
- It was so flat for a final. Rushed and felt like an episode of bullet points.thumb_screws
- And “yo homicidal maniac, here’s the keys to the car”. That was awful.thumb_screws
- Yeah, it reminded me of when Caprica was cancelled so they just wrapped up everything that would have been the second series in a 5 min montage.Wolfboy
- Very little to sort out a galactic war? They surgically altered a human to be a dead Klingon warrior with his memories who eventually decided to help and betrayCyBrainX
- both sides and help end the war by putting T'Rell in a position of power to lead the Klingons. It wasn't very little at all.CyBrainX
- +1 for Clint Howard
+1 for the line about "Bread and Circuses"
+1 million for the Enterprise with Spock and Pike on board and Sarek on the Discovery.CyBrainX - I’ll go with +1 for Clint Howard - has anyone played more characters across the various Star Treks?Wolfboy
- But in general they seemed to turn around a situation that was set up as much bigger over the past couple of episodes. 9 months of unchecked victories for the..Wolfboy
- ...Klingons just sorted out with an afternoon fucking around on Kronos with some comedy geeks and freaks. The whole thing felt under baked.Wolfboy
- "Klingon waves a calculator"sted
- I'm sorry, the war ended because someone has a bomb and everyone fell in line to follow a nobody. Fuck this show.ETM
- "Yeah, we suck at writing, but here's the Enterprise! Look at the new shiny thing to go crazy on social media about and forget our whole garbage first season."ETM
- So, there's nothing this show can do to please you in any way?CyBrainX
- detritus0
I thought it came out on Mondays? Do you watch it in the morning, Continuity?
- Aye.Continuity
- So you hate the show, have said as much repeatedly over the months, yet start your week off with it, watching TV in the daytime? Why?!detritus
- I get it on Sunday nights at 8:30 in NYC. Is it different elsewhere?CyBrainX
- Oh.. perhaps it's a Sunday thing? Or is Sunday in NYC Monday here in Blighty?
I just associate it with Monday evenings.detritus - Like the old days, when TV shows were on once a week, and if you missed it when it was on, well you're shit out of luck for another year or two!detritus
- Continuity2
This week on Shit Trek: Dysentery: Mary Sue makes a speech, all is forgiven, and the producers give Trekkies the finger (again) by needlessly re-designing the Enterprise.
Fuck this. I’m done with this shit-show.
- As a "Trekkie" I don't give a shit that they redesigned the TOS Enterprise.i_monk
- Continuity1
This week on 'Slow-Motion Car Crash Masquerading as Star Trek':
• The Earth's solar system is woefully under-defended. One single Klingon house can take out a starbase just outside the solar system with barely any starships (three? really?) to stop them. And, apparently, with no reinforcements from Earth coming. One can only be thankful Starfleet had learnt its lesson by the time Wolf 359 happened, even if they were on the losing side. At least they had ships to throw at the Borg.
• Miraculously, the Klingon Houses seem to be able to not bother trying to take each other out for control of the Empire, and have it together long enough to take out the Federation instead. Because, well, civil war sucks, and would be a complete waste of resources, and would mean they wouldn't be able to mount a cohesive strategy against Starfleet, am I right? Oh wait, they're not actually united, you say ...
• Turns out terraforming takes no time at all, and Federation starships seem readily equipped for the job (how convenient!). Makes one wonder why there was so much hype around the Genesis Project, 28 years later. Clearly, Dr Carol Marcus & Co were rank amateurs.
• SMG still can't act.
• Neither can the mouth-breather who plays Tyler.
• Their 'romance' is still so painfully written and trite to watch, I want to stab my eyes out with an X-Acto knife.
• Happy to see Stamets got over his BF getting the Worf Neck Snap™ so quickly. Chin up, lad, that's the spirit.
• Captain Lorca was actually a mirror universe terrorist, and he was running the supposedly most important ship in Starfleet? How awful! Terrible! We should see to it nothing like this never happens again! Until ...
• Uh-oh! We're in the shit! Make the mirror universe Georgiou captain of the supposedly most important ship in Starfleet! What a great idea! What could possibly go wrong, right?!
• The utter numpties in the writers' room seem to think dropping references to the second-worst Trek series will lend their own shit-show some legitimacy. How cute.
• You told me there were no Kelpians over there. And then you ate one. That's OK, I forgive you. Lying, betrayal and eating sentient beings happens sometimes. I still love you, you big mutinying, war-starting, Kelpian-eating silly.
• Hi, my name's L'Rell. And I'm a piece of furniture.
• Hey guys! Guys! He's really a Klingon, he killed our doctor, but he's allowed to wander around and stuff, and have lunch with us! Group hug!
Sigh. I fucking hate this show.
- 1. We have no idea about the war for the last 9 months and how hard fought it was.
2. We've seen dishonorable, infighting Klingons in every incarnation of StaCyBrainX - r Trek. Nothing new and somewhat expected.CyBrainX
- 3. There was no terraforming. Just some kind of hyperaccelerated spore growth. Star Trek is full of stories like this. I'd call it science fiction.CyBrainX
- Sonnequa Martin isn't great but she's far better than Shatner on his best day and better than most of the DS9 cast.CyBrainX
- I'd rather there be no love stories in Star Trek. I'll give you this one but it's not eye stabbing time quite yet.CyBrainX
- Stamets is still upset about his BF and told Tyler as much.CyBrainX
- Captain Lorca looks exactly like Captain Lorca, seems to keep distance from most of the crew except Michael and she didn't know the real Lorca.CyBrainX
- I don't quite understand the complaint about Georgiou. They absoluitely SHOULD be referencing previous Star Trek. There's a half century of it after all.CyBrainX
- The bit about Tyler being a Klingon is not accurate at this point and he's not completely unlimited but this is a valid point.CyBrainX
- +Stamets has travelled infinite realms and met his lover's doppelganger and has some tangible depth of feeling of his still-existence 'somewhere'.detritus
- The Lorca thing i don't get though - did evilLorca take out his counterpart? If not, how did he rise through ranks so quickly to achieve captaincy?detritus
- I quite like it all - it's not coheseive with canon and does drop some technical aspects (which made Trek Trek - or, at least - TNG TNG) but it is fun.detritus
- Lorca's counterpart is presumed dead in the other universe. I have a feeling some kind of time travel is going to alter history and bring everyone back.CyBrainX
- Yeah. Time travel. The Big Cop-Out. But I doubt they'll do it next week, more like towards the end of the series' entire run.Continuity
- If Enterprise can end on a TNG holodeck episode, STD can be cheap enough to end on a time travel reset.Continuity
- Were City on the Edge of Forever, Yesterday's Enterprise, and First Contact big copouts?CyBrainX
- 1. We have no idea about the war for the last 9 months and how hard fought it was.
- sted0
This show should be called Captain of the Discovery.
- This show shouldn't even fucking exist, it's so awful.
And whoever told SMG she can act should never work in Hollywood again.Continuity - She's actually a great actor, but this half-Vulcan character shit is putting the brakes on her talents.i_monk
- This show shouldn't even fucking exist, it's so awful.
- CyBrainX1
I still think the Next Generation was the best series and by far but Disocvery has gotten off to the best start of any of them. Not that any of them had stellar first seasons. I like that the series is set 10 years before the original series. It makes you wonder what other familiar characters and races we'll see. I have to admit just having Sarek was worth putting the show in this era. I'm hoping they explain the reason for some of the way advanced tech we're seeing. Mostly the spore drive. Other than that, it's mostly better CGI than 60s paper mache I think people are reacting to. Also, I like the plot twist with the evil captain.
- trooperbill1
Luv this show but the CGI on the flagship flyover look like pre Babylon 5 gci
- necromation0
SHIT... i fucking love it any many of my mates! BEST Star Trek series ever... before it was the original show but this new one is that original show on steroid... Space will be fucking brutal and people are broken. It's brillant... All i need now is some unnessary sex and it will be perfect!
- wtf... myself from the mirror dimension is posting here to! i wonder if he's a bad ass?necromation
- I really don't know what to think lolsted
- necromation1
SHIT... i fucking love it any many of my mates! BEST Star Trek series ever... before it was the original show but this new one is that original show on steroid... Space will be fucking brutal and people are broken. It's brillant... All i need now is some unnessary sex and it will be perfect!
- Well, we did get gratuitous Klingon titties ...Continuity
- We've run the gamut of Klingon hotness from Worf's girlfriend to Lursa and Betor and now this mind fucking Discovery Klingon.CyBrainX