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- lowimpakt2
John Allen, President of the CBI
"The prospect of Britain leaving the free trade deal that the Uk enjoys with the EU and then trading successfully under WTO rules is simply cloud cuckoo land”
Italian news SkyTg24
"the UK were presumptuous. They thought that being British was enough".
- 100% - if i hear the term "the will of the people" one more time i'm gonna fucking throw up... People are generally stupid, that why we need governments.necromation
- The will of the badly informed people sounds all wrong anywayIanbolton
- Morning_star1
I am so bored of this fuckery.
It's wrong not to care about something so potentially impactful. But, It's like watching a bunch of toddlers attempting to drive a car - painful, infuriating and potentially fatal.
- it's the slow motion nature of it. It's taken 2.5 years to get to the point where there can be a vote to confirm that nobody knows what to do.Fax_Benson
- I'm getting old, fast. I don't have time for this shit.Fax_Benson
- Brexit will split both the Tories and Labour eventually. Brexit will kill them all. Best just to speed things along and drown them all in the Thames nowFax_Benson
- Brexit will either be about to happen, actually happening or not happening and blamed for everything for millenniaFax_Benson
- in 200 years time, Future-Rees-Mogg will be citing it in space-parliamentFax_Benson
- In any normal universe Rees-Mogg's would be the end of his genetic lineage, yet https://bit.ly/2SXKz…Nairn
- survival of the fittest is obviously no good to him come the apocalypse, so he's gone for volume - he knows what's up.Fax_Benson
- Given how gaunt the fucker's stock is, I'm not sure 'volume' is the right word, but safety in numbers for sure - hand over the lil'uns for food to the hordesNairn
- he'll give them the plans for the steampunk brexit time machine, which they'll build out of the debris of Big Ben, and they'll fly back to the safety of 1890Fax_Benson
- like a Victoriana TerminatorFax_Benson
- PhanLo-2
- blah blah blah blah blah.hans_glib
- I liked his 'Peak Nazi' one last week
https://www.youtube.…Nairn - His schtick is really tired. Not funny enough to keep doing the same thing. The trump special was quite good though because the format was expended.Fax_Benson
- He's better when there are other characters and a bit of a story.Fax_Benson
- Kremlin approved.fadein11
- Even the Russians couldn't have planned a fuck up so British as Brexit.PhanLo
- Ha, well that's debatable, I was referring to him, he was on the Kremlin payroll for years.fadein11
- shapesalad2
May is like a cockroach that no matter how many times you stamp on it, keeps going... historic loss on Tuesday, no a slim margin win to stay in as PM.
Brexit has become more and more surreal.
Best way forward would be indicative votes by parliament to get a short list of Brexit options - then back to the people on those directions and remain. Then we a Brexit route is chosen, at least the people will be getting something they expect.
- sorry tired, so typing was a mess...shapesalad
- your suggestion is way too intelligent and you haven't included any form of lie/untruthBluejam
- can you imagine that mess? trying to get a decisive vote on various options?hans_glib
- yeah, you'd probably need three options - so the winning outcome could have support of barely 1/3 of voters - less decisive than what we've gotFax_Benson
- Brexit Battle Royal? each option is represented by an MP with a weapon. put 'em all in a contained area. winner takes all. broadcast on national tvBluejam
- only if it's tag teamFax_Benson
- remain should NOT BE AN OPTION.trooperbill
- Bluejam3
"This Brexit business is a marvel. Genuinely. It’s borderline miraculous."
https://twitter.com/bozmack/stat…
- His Twitter led me to this, the gist of which we should borrow for our future anthem
https://www.youtube.…Nairn - ^
fucking brilliant. nice find :-)Bluejam - have no idea what those instruements are called but i want oneBluejam
- that two string bow looks awesomehans_glib
- https://www.qbn.com/…hans_glib
- His Twitter led me to this, the gist of which we should borrow for our future anthem
- fadein112
Welcome to the Westminster apocalypse. Have you thought about theocracy instead?
- hans_glib3
i think we've fucked ourselves as a country.
perhaps the best thing now is a total reboot - crash out and see what, if anything, can be rebuilt from the mess.
- Gardener1
- Ho! ho! I do say...robotron3k
- is it christmas again?Fax_Benson
- lol faxfadein11
- fadein112
THE STORY SO FAR
David Cameron made a promise he didn't think he'd have to keep to have a referendum he didn't think he would lose. Boris Johnson decided to back the side he didn't believe in because he didn't think it would win. Then Gove, who said he wouldn't run, did, and Boris who said he would run, didn’t, and Theresa May who didn't vote for Brexit got the job of making it happen. She called the election she said she wouldn't and lost the majority David Cameron hadn't expected to win in the first place. She stayed in power by paying the DUP to agree with her. The DUP wanted to leave the EU but the people of NI wanted to remain. She triggered Article 50 when we didn't need to and said we would talk about trade at the same time as the divorce deal and the EU said they wouldn't so we didn't.
People thought she wouldn't get the divorce settled but she did, but only by agreeing to things she had promised the DUP she wouldn't. Then the Cabinet agreed a deal but they hadn't, and David Davis who was Brexit Secretary but wasn't, said it wasn't what people had voted for and he couldn't support what he had just supported and left. Boris Johnson who hadn't left then wished that he had and did, but it was a bit late for that. Dominic Raab become the new Brexit secretary.
People thought Theresa May wouldn't get a withdrawal agreement negotiated, but once she had they wished that she hadn't, because hardly anybody liked it whether they wanted to leave or not. Jacob Rees-Mogg kept threatening a vote of no confidence in her but not enough people were confident enough people would not have confidence in her to confidently call a no confidence vote. Dominic Raab said he hadn't really been Brexit Secretary either and resigned, and somebody else took the job but it probably isn't worth remembering who they are as they're not really doing the job either as Olly Robbins is.
Then she said she would call a vote and didn't, that she wouldn't release some legal advice but had to, that she would get some concessions but didn't, and got cross that Juncker was calling her nebulous when he wasn't but probably should have been.
At some point Jacob Rees Mogg and others called a vote of no confidence in her, which she won by promising to leave, so she can stay. But they said she had really lost it and should go, at the same time as saying that people who voted Leave knew what they were voting for which they couldn't possibly have because we still don't know now, and that we should leave the vote to Leave vote alone but have no confidence in the no confidence vote which won by more. The government also argued in court against us being able to say we didn't want to leave after all but it turned out we could. She named a date for the vote on her agreement which nobody expected to pass, while pretending that no deal which nobody wants is still possible (even though we know we can just say we are not leaving), and that we can't have a second referendum because having a democratic vote is undemocratic. And of course as expected she lost.
Some people are talking about a managed no-deal which is not a deal but is not managed either. When asked, our MP’s voted that they had confidence in her when they haven’t and said that we can’t have a Corbyn government because it would be chaotic and be bad for the country. Corbyn complained that May hadn’t asked for his views but when she did he said he wouldn’t talk because she is intransigent. There are 10 weeks left before it will all be sorted at the last minute. Or not...
- Makes perfect sense.robotron3k
- "people who voted Leave knew what they were voting for which they couldn't possibly have" #sigh - i know why i voted leavetrooperbill
- Knowing why you voted leave is not the same as knowing what you voted for, as in precisely what replaces the current arrangement and howFax_Benson
- Which is the nub of the problemFax_Benson
- lol trooper, read it again.fadein11
- trooper just confirmed everything in this post lold_gitale
- lowimpakt0
searing piece by Pankaj Mishra NYT
The Malign Incompetence of the British Ruling Class
"The malign incompetence of the Brexiteers was precisely prefigured during Britain’s exit from India in 1947, most strikingly in the lack of orderly preparation for it. The British government had announced that India would have independence by June 1948. In the first week of June 1947, however, Mountbatten suddenly proclaimed that the transfer of power would happen on Aug. 15, 1947 — a “ludicrously early date,” as he himself blurted out. In July, a British lawyer named Cyril Radcliffe was entrusted with the task of drawing new boundaries of a country he had never previously visited.
Given only around five weeks to invent the political geography of an India flanked by an eastern and a western wing called Pakistan, Radcliffe failed to visit any villages, communities, rivers or forests along the border he planned to demarcate. Dividing agricultural hinterlands from port cities, and abruptly reducing Hindus, Muslims and Sikhs on either side of the new border to a religious minority, Radcliffe delivered a plan for partition that effectively sentenced millions to death or desolation while bringing him the highest-ranked knighthood.
Up to one million people died, countless women were abducted and raped, and the world’s largest refugee population was created during the population transfers across Radcliffe’s border — an extensive carnage that exceeds all apocalyptic scenarios of Brexit."
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"The many crimes of the empire’s bumptious adventurers were enabled by Britain’s great geopolitical power and then obscured by its cultural prestige. This is why images cherished by the British elite of itself as valiant, wise and benevolent could survive, until recently, much damning historical evidence about these masters of disaster from Cyprus to Malaysia, Palestine to South Africa. In recent years, such privately educated and smooth-tongued men as Niall Ferguson and Tony Blair could even present the British as saviors of suffering and benighted humanity, urging American neoconservatives to take up the white man’s burden globally.
Humiliations in neo-imperialist ventures abroad, followed by the rolling calamity of Brexit at home, have cruelly exposed the bluff of what Hannah Arendt called the “quixotic fools of imperialism.” As partition comes home, threatening bloodshed in Ireland and secession in Scotland, and an unimaginable chaos of no-deal Brexit looms, ordinary British people stand to suffer from the untreatable exit wounds once inflicted by Britain’s bumbling chumocrats on millions of Asians and Africans."
- PhanLo0
- #toofuckinglateFax_Benson
- It'll get sorted soon, people have been planning for the last couple of years for this.PhanLo
- Longcopylover3
Wouldn't it be easier and way more efficient if all the other countries leave the EU and form a new Union – just without the UK?
- funny you say that because Newsthump did as well.fadein11
- Bluejam1
"We’re going to replicate the 40 EU free trade agreements that exist before we leave the European Union so we’ve got no disruption of trade,” said Mr Fox shortly after the Article 50 exit process was triggered in 2017. “Believe me, we’ll have up to 40 ready for one second after midnight in March 2019."
UK fails to close global trade deals ahead of Brexit deadline
https://www.ft.com/content/c4458…- err the eu made it so we CANT MAKE TRADE DEALS before exit so thats not unexpected.trooperbill
- Fox said it would be so - so the fact that it isn't is not unexpected.Fax_Benson
- _niko3
so, what the fuck is happening?
Are they out and trying to negotiate the terms of the exit
or
is there a possibility that they're not out and stay in the EU?- We are pretty much out, just gotta grease up the deal a little so it passes another commons vote, AKA polishing a turd.
Staying in is highly unlikely.fadein11 - ok thanks, it's the "pretty much out" that's still confusing, what would it take to stay? another referendum?_niko
- yep, a peoples vote on the deal which doesn't seem very likely but I may be wrong, anything is possible in this shitstorm!fadein11
- Possibly the first one.
Also, possibly the second one.
Probably some other level of clusterfuck.Nairn - What fadein11 said. Also, he might be right, or he might be wrong. Both are for certain at this point.Krassy
- FYI guyz, our southern border is pourous if you need a safe country to migrate to. We also stop selling booze at 4am here, none of that 11pm shit.robotron3k
- My local offie's open 24 hours a day, robo.
NY & LDN are 24 hours cities - I betcha there are a load of places across the US where booze shops shut before 11pmNairn - And mine. Oh robo, you big pratt.fadein11
- no deal + panic = side deals. we'll probably be in a better position although may wont be able to hide behind decisions like giving away gibraltar and fishingtrooperbill
- wut? Literally - wut?Nairn
- We are pretty much out, just gotta grease up the deal a little so it passes another commons vote, AKA polishing a turd.
- shapesalad0
- and the price of a loaf of bread is £500trooperbill
- capitalism will just reset the minimum cost of everything to make more profittrooperbill
- Capitalism will not survive the robot uprising!pango
- robotron3k6
Oh it's on like Donkey Kong!!! Plan B!
