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- neverscared4
- He's a grumpy old bastard, but I like him.PhanLo
- <3 Alan Mooresarahfailin
- he's taking the wise old sage schtick a bit too far.Fax_Benson
- he also dj's in his spare time
http://www.stampthew…Bluejam - @phan ... wash your out! Moore's a God!mugwart
- shapesalad0
Trade agreements are nothing short of a market haggle. You go to the market and want something, and negotiate a price, you get a good price, haggled the price down. Perhaps you also have something to sell, the buyer negotiates you down a bit. At the end of the day you're happy to have the market and be able to flog your stuff and get a good price for the things you wanted to buy.
Now imagine you team up with your mates to buy stuff, more people = more buying power. Now you can get a really good deal from a seller, as there's 28 of you wanting their stuff. Likewise when a buyer comes to you and your mates, you can all agree to not go lower than a certain price, ensuring you all get a good price for the stuff you sell. And you can give mates rates to each other. That's the current position we find ourselves in as part of the EU, and we don't even have the Euro, we got a special deal with our mates the EU.
But Brexit means we'll be going to the market as billy no mates.
We'll be approaching our old mates and saying "do you want to buy this" and they'll say, nah.. we already got that.
Then we'll say "can I buy that? give me a good price old friend" they'll say, "nope, can't sell it to you cheaper than I sell it to the Japanese bloke over there and that American guy, because I got a good deal going on with them, don't want to jeopardise that, sorry mate it's 15% more for you". And so billy no mates UK will be stuck, having to lower it's selling prices to get a buyer interested in their stuff, and then having to pay an arm and a leg to buy the stuff they want from other countries.
Half the country voted for this. Stupid people are dangerous in large groups:
- shapesalad0
https://qz.com/967554/the-five-u…
With the increase in crime in the UK, such as killings in London, moped gangs, acid attacks... and Brexit coming up, the already felt decline in GDP, employment etc within the uk since the vote, we can see that we are a declining society. The last paragraph of that ^ article sums up well the current UK position:
"Declining societies have the same percentage of stupid people as successful ones. But they also have high percentages of helpless people and, Cipolla writes, “an alarming proliferation of the bandits with overtones of stupidity.”
“Such change in the composition of the non-stupid population inevitably strengthens the destructive power of the [stupid] fraction and makes decline a certainty,” Cipolla concludes. “And the country goes to Hell.”"
- in decline since '96
https://www.youtube.…Bluejam - Cipolla? What's this, The Onion?Nairn
- further evidenceFax_Benson
- in decline since '96
- shapesalad0
Impact of Brexit on the creative industry within UK, in particular London.
https://www.artsprofessional.co.…
https://www.artsprofessional.co.…
https://www.artsy.net/article/ar…
https://www.artsprofessional.co.…
"25,000 jobs would be lost in the creative sector and its economic output would fall 2.1% by 2030."
"London would bear the brunt of many of the job losses. A hard Brexit with no transition would see the capital with 7,000 fewer jobs across the cultural and creative sectors combined by 2030, and a £1 billion (1.7%) decline in the creative sector’s economic output."
"Free movement also allows British talent the opportunity to establish themselves within EU businesses. For example, the Creative Directors of Chloé, Louis Vuitton Menswear and Loewe are British designers. The global reach of British talent that encourages international investment in British talent will be further impacted by potential changes to free movement policies."
https://www.dezeen.com/2018/08/2…
I don't see any positives for the Creative Industries being out of the EU.
- The organisation that commissioned the survey that those figure come from are an agenda driven lobby group. So absolutely no bias there then.Morning_star
- mugwart2
adding onto @neverscared's above post:
This for me is aligns to my beliefs and problems we face.
Love me more moore
- good link
nice 1Bluejam - Quality vs Quantity. Just look at architecture from 1800's compared to now - more information = lower the quality. Nothing is refined or considered.shapesalad
- i disagree. Its lack of voice, ignorance of a class of people. Greed of a few to the suffering of manymugwart
- good link
- Bluejam0
- 666 posts. It ends here.microkorg
- The Tories, the Republicans, the Libtards here in Aus. The Rock will be The New World Leader by next Easter.MrT
- < We need a PM that comes from a working class background, from a 2 up 2 down terrace house, that understands the perspective of the majority of the uk citizensshapesalad
- Right now we need a PM that can effectively represent the needs of the U.K. on a global stage. May isn’t one of them and neither is Corbyn.Morning_star
- If you think that there’s one perspective that represents the U.K. you are insane.Morning_star
- Indeed morning_starfadein11
- shapesalad0
- Why should gold be excluded? Doesn't Sky's argument apply in the same way for the automotive and other industries.Morning_star
- this is skymugwart
- is it because the gold isn't produced in the UK and there are very few jobs (real economy) associated with the trade?lowimpakt
- Sky News's brexit coverage has been surprisingly excellent.Fax_Benson
- in generalFax_Benson
- Most automotive component parts are manufactured in other countries and just assembled here. Mainly because were good at robotics. But it's the same..Morning_star
- ...principle as the gold.Morning_star
- I wonder what 100% sourced/grown/mined uk exports look like. Some turnips, wensleydale cheese, cod we nicked from near Iceland, and .... ? erm....?shapesalad
- Aren't the English famous for their Tea... ah right yeah, it's grown in India/China and the Portuguese introduced that custom to us. erm... warm stale ale?shapesalad
- We don't 100% make/grow much. Steel is imported. We got a bit of North Sea gas, but most fuel is imported. A tonne of food ingredients imported.shapesalad
- Total joke to turn around to the EU, our and the world and say "we are going it alone, we're not a country that wants to be part of anything or in a team"shapesalad
- Shapesalad, despite your tenacious opposition to Brexit your opinion of Britain and it's product is curiously naive. You don't seem to be able to grasp the...Morning_star
- ... idea that whatever the media deliver to you needs contextualising at best and ALWAYS warrants scrutiny whether it supports your opinion or not. Think..Morning_star
- ...for yourself, and question everything, especially when the content seems to support your views..Morning_star
- shapesalad0
More facts and common sense talk on the details that are being over looked by leave voters and the government.
- Bluejam0
Daily Mail backs May's Brexit plan and brands rebel Tories 'traitors'
https://www.theguardian.com/medi…
- Greig taking over at the Mail is pretty funny.Fax_Benson
- https://www.google.c…jmckinno
- Hayzilla0
Can we please have a vote to see if we all want to vote again on Brexit?
FFS this is going to be seriously awful for us all.
- hands up, who thinks this is a good idea?Fax_Benson
- Leave campaign illegally over spent £2m = vote should be void. TM illegally issued article 50 without a full parliament vote on it.shapesalad
- If something if foreign policy related, PM gets executive rights, so TM took it upon herself to activate article 50. Should be illegal.shapesalad
- Brexit has highlight that the majority of Leave votes are cognitively challenged. A few make valid points on the future direction of EU.shapesalad
- But as is too slowly being realised, it's better we remain part of it, have some veto of EU actions, and economic stability vs economic suicide.shapesalad
- sorry my typing.. some remain voters are cognitively challenged when it comes to typing = me.shapesalad
- it's right that we get to vote on the deal but it won't solve anything, so we shouldn't. So I'm voting yes, we should have another vote but we shouldn't have itFax_Benson
- or, no, we should.Fax_Benson
- or whatever makes there be no more of those '3 blokes' videosFax_Benson
- lol faxfadein11
- shapesalad0
@hayzilla,
read this:
https://www.counselmagazine.co.u…
"Any concerned UK citizen with the necessary funds might seek on ultra vires grounds to ban the government from executing a treaty of withdrawal under Art 263 of the 1969 Vienna Convention whatever the result of the negotiating process. Indeed it would conceivably be feasible to seek to prohibit the start or continuation of the negotiating process designed to procure that end, and here we shall be back to Miller. The delivery of the 29 March letter was a legal non-event and so probably not in itself unlawful, but beginning negotiations with a view to a making a withdrawal treaty not sanctioned by the UK Parliament would be likely to be unlawful. This is because, as Miller made clear, the government enjoys no unilateral prerogative power to withdraw from the EU."
- Nairn0
Jesus, you don't have go on, do you?
You think any of your posting here is achieving anything?
Yes, it's shit - either do something useful out there in the real world or stfu, please.
- *halfNairn
- qbn is the real world. near know who might see some of the link I post that otherwise might not see it. Anyway, It's shape salad, not Jesus.shapesalad
- And you're more than welcome to not look at the Brexit thread and get out there in the real world.shapesalad
- shapesalad1
After Brexit, let's start a new union that is better than the EU, something that the UK Citizens can get behind and not complain about all the time. We can slowly poach EU members across to it.
The United Kingdom Union.
The UU.
The new EU is the UU.
I suggest Hungary is the first to join the UU. Perhaps Poland next and maybe Sweden. Hopefully Portugal shortly afterwards.
Campaign slogan: Putting you back into the UU.
- Of course, it doesn't help that UU looks like a pair of saggy tits, but I think that appeals to the Brexit voter.shapesalad
- "...not complain about all the time..." good luck with that. Complaining is part of the UK DNA as you so adequately demonstrate.Morning_star
- ********0
Brexit = less Hooligans, right?
- More! Almost like a dad's army of chubby men in old women's clothes with Adidas Gazelles on. Might be harder to get Stone Island though.PhanLo
- shapesalad1
ha ha Lol,
The UK already had a pretty special deal with the EU, they even put up with Farage.... Then bee in her bonnet May get's all busy body and thinks her time to shine in history is to honour the "will" of the people - runs off to the EU to presents her "gimme me gimme me" chequers deal and:
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-poli…
"Theresa May's proposed new economic partnership with the EU "will not work", the head of the European Council has said."
and
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news…
"Brexiteers and Remainers unite to declare May Brexit blueprint is finished after EU leaders snub her desperate plea for a compromise - but furious PM insists her proposal is the only credible option"
Lol. Well, Brexit has certainly given the newspapers something to write about. Time to put the toys back in the pram and accept the UK can't go it alone and is better off in the EU. Something the people of Gibraltar, Northern Ireland and Scotland clearly understood.
- Plus I have to move back to LDN next bloody week for the GF. It's 34c here in Lisboa. No way am I spending the rest of my time on earth in gloomy weather UK.shapesalad
- So let's have a 2nd vote and stay in. Plweeeze....(crying... bye bye lovely Lisboa, I'l be dreaming of your beaches and sunshine)...shapesalad
- Brexit means Brexit. It'll be shit, but that's what British people want. Let's get it done.
The people have spoken.PhanLo - "that's what British people want" wow, that's a bold statement. Most polls now suggest the opposite.fadein11
- Well, PhanLo I think you should be the chief trade negotiator post Brexit and shepherd the NI and Gibraltar border solutions. Good luck, best wishes.shapesalad
- The only way out is ha r d brexit. May as well get it done ASAP.Fax_Benson
- Lets just blow up the Republic of Ireland, it'll solve the border problem and we'll still have all the ones that like the queen in the other bit.PhanLo
- We can take on the Spanish for Gibraltar too. We're GREAT britain for gods sake. The best to rule the waves.PhanLo
- The suicide rate will be through the roof. But we'll be better off in 50 years. Possibly.PhanLo
- You'd have to let all the comedians move before you blew it up, or Dave would move operations to the Czech republicFax_Benson
- It's only Ireland, we're Great Britain, red, white and blue. The best. Simply the best! Onward chubby soldiers!PhanLo
- There would have been bloodshed before Netflix and iPhones.fadein11
- My gran used to advocate that disabled and mentally disabled people should have been shot at birth. To save their souls suffering. She was talking about Phanloshapesalad
- That'll be happening when Brexit begins Shape, we won't have any money. Old people will be ground into burger meat.
But it will be worth it for the Gammon.PhanLo - I reckon your gran would have voted to leave. She sounds the sort.PhanLo
- Brexit sadly won't change the traditional grey British weather shapesaladIanbolton
- Better weather is in the Chequers deal Ian. So once Brexit happens, Spanish people will be coming to Sunderland for the 2 weeks around xmas.PhanLo
