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- Fax_Benson0
Former EU / UK negotiator on the choices open to UK gvmt and what diplomats are doing to mitigate the disaster.
- shapesalad2
A man, a van, a GPS tracker: This Brit is writing 'STOP BREXIT' across Europe.
So the 28-year-old from Exeter quit his job as a digital consultant and mapped out a tour that would take him from the Arctic Circle to the south of Spain, and from Ireland's Atlantic coast to Estonia's border with Russia.
- I remember watching S Top Brexit on CD:UK and the Chart Show when I was a kid.Fax_Benson
- shapesalad1
- No regrets! Rule Britannia! We'll eat our pets if need be!PhanLo
- Already have. Cat. Not great. Big regret.Fax_Benson
- We can eat the old if we run out pets. It's what they would want. Brexity goodnessPhanLo
- fuck the gristly old, we can eat juicy young immigrants.fadein11
- ^hahahahaPhanLo
- shapesalad0
Sign it:
Ok a majority (just slight more than the remainders) voted to leave the EU. But, as is apparent, we don't know what precisely that looks like - how does it look if we leave the EU? Right now it looks like a choice between disaster and we've totally f****d ourselves.
So I think it's important we get a chance to say yes or no to what the actual reality of life outside of the EU looks like. The first referendum was missing that critical piece of information.
It's like asking someone if they want a beer or wine - but not telling them that the wine is actually a grape juice mixed with alcohol cheap imitation wine and the beer is an award wining micro brewery craft beer. How can you decide if you don't know the full details?
- Final say on what? Then what happens? We stay in? On what terms? We negotiate another deal? Who does that? This gvmnt? After an election?Fax_Benson
- Referendums don't fix things.Fax_Benson
- Say on the fecking stupid ass deal, or we stay in EU with same terms as before.shapesalad
- And referendums are nothing short of opinion polls. It's politics that are 'playing' the result in a hope of wining votes and getting some glory.shapesalad
- Lets just get on with it, voting a waste of time. Full societal collapse is what we want now. Then we can build a better Britain.PhanLo
- shapesalad0
UPS analysis on the clustef*ck that is brexit:
- shapesalad-2
Before a final Brexit situation is imposed, the government should beta test it. A/B test it. UX test it. So those who voted Leave can have a taste of it.
If taking part in the Brexit UX test, you're issued a blue non-EU non-Biometric Passport. This gives leave voters the chance to queue up at passport control when entering Spain, France etc. They will also need to apply and pay for tourist visa's to visit EU countries.
In addition, you get a new tax code, which takes an addition 10% ~15% off your salary, to replicate the increased cost of EU imported foods, medicines etc.
You immediately have 30% of your savings taken, to mimic the economic crash that will be inevitable. If converting £ to foreign currency you have to pay 30% more.
You can visit a special Job Centre that only employs UK citizens. Majority of jobs are hotel cleaner, nurse, doctor, agricultural worker. And a lot of jobs require fluency in a European language.
Convert Tesco's into Brexit-mart's - supermarkets that stock only UK foods and bleach washed American chickens and USA pesticide infected fruit & vegetables. The EU imported foods are 40% more expensive and passed their sell by date already. Also majority of shelfs are empty.
Some hospitals could be converted to the Brexit-medical centres. They have £350m more spent on them, but barely any doctors or nurses to replicate the loss of EU staff.
You also have all your Amazon package etc delayed, have to pay a custom fee on all your packages, with most going missing to mimic how imported goods will be stuck at customs as we have no deals and haven't recruited any extra customs officers.
Then let's have a 2nd vote, to see which UX they prefer, the EU-UX or the Brexit-UX.
- You down vote but this is what's coming to miserable weathered UK.shapesalad
- shapesalad3
at around 17mins, this point is highlighted:
The British air traffic control system, which is currently closely linked to the EU air traffic control system, as of 30 March 2019, will no longer have login access to the EU system. So flights won't be able to fly in/out of the UK, as we won't be able to coordinate anything. Because we have no deal arranged.
Fu*k brexit. I voted remain. When the results came out, I thought fair enough, maybe we can make a go of it. But in the past year and half, all we've had is clueless politicians playing their typical childish Westminster games and nothing has been signed off or agreed upon.
We're only 7 months away from a deadline and we have fu*k all arranged. If this was a design project, it's like having nothing to show except a vague sketch on a napkin. Fire the Brexit CD and AD, hire new designers and a proper CD and get us a solid arrangement asap or feck off with this Brexit nonsense - all it's done is show up our government, reveal how easily manipulated the general UK population are most importantly, as much as we may not like it, we are tied up with the EU in so many ways we're going to be in a royal fecking mess without them.
- shapesalad2
https://havewegotafuckingtradede…
"We have 0 fucking trade deals agreed for when fucking Brexit happens"
"The Financial Times conducted research that showed that the UK will have to negotiate at least 759 separate treaties:
295 Trade Agreements - including the bilateral ones listed above PLUS other multilateral agreements
202 Regulatory Cooperation Agreements - everything from anti-trust to data sharing
69 Fisheries Agreements - access to waters, protection of stocks
65 Transport Agreements
49 Customs Agreements
45 Nuclear Agreements
34 Agriculture AgreementsOut of those 759+ agreements that will be needed, the UK government has 0 and has started formal talks with 0 nations. This site will update as trade deals are announced."
- It'll be a disaster. I actually want it to happen so I can pick a Brexit voter and cave their fucking skull in during the food riots.PhanLo
- trooperbill-4
^ bollox
i voted leave... and would vote leave again - its a shit show for sure but again the gov has no interest in leaving hence cam's prompt departure shortly after the vote.
the "left" seems intent on telling the "right" that "you've changed your mind" this is the same as before when "they" said "we need a re-vote" its the same BS message trying to convince the proletariat that they're stupid and uneducated.
i cant speak for everyone but i'm fairly well educated, from a working class background and well travelled and believe that cultures being different is a good thing and the homogenisation of \Europe is to the contrary.,
- I think you need to consider how intertwined we are with EU. And how no one in government has any clue how to leave EU properly.shapesalad
- Instead of asking us if we wanted to leave the EU or not. They should have present the Brexit deal and asked if we want that or stay in EU.shapesalad
- intertwined... yeah thats THE issue. there was no OG vote to be IN the eu, just the EEC which is different.trooperbill
- i would also be a sceptic but voted remain because the 'homogenisation of europe' whatever that supposedly entails has fuck all to do with membership of the EUkingsteven
- And voting on the final deal !== voting to remain. fuck those whiney cunts, just don't vote against to spite them. Hard Brexit would be a disaster for all butkingsteven
- those rich enough to exploit it.kingsteven
- is the new Italian gvmnt part of this homogenisation? The AFD in Germany? All our vetoes and the fact that we're in the EU but outside the Eurozone?Fax_Benson
- how much control do you have over the homogenisation of Europe now?Fax_Benson
- +1 faxfadein11
- cant fucking wait for my blue passportBluejam
- shapesalad0
The EU vote before was like asking if you want a beer or wine. But not telling you what the wine is. You know the beer is a good craft beer. But the wine could be champaign, cheap crap, vintage etc.
Everyone voted for wine.
Now the deal is being drawn up, well not being drawn up, there is nothing negotiated at all ( https://havewegotafuckingtradede… ) - it's quickly becoming apparent the wine option is a cheap almost fake wine, for cooking with. It's just cheap grape juice + alcohol.
We should be able to vote again, because cleary the beer is a better choice.
It's like that.
Dailymail readers and brexit voters don't care if the wine is crap, they still want it. Because of 'democracy' and 'sovereignty', and "we voted once, we won't change our minds, cheap fake wine it is!".
Madness.
- Mate some things are more important than getting the details right. Like national pride.rouncey
- Britain's outside of the liberal big dont like colonization very much.robotron3k
- You can't just reverse a major vote like that. The backlash would be much worse than any downside from Brexit itself.rouncey
- *citiesrobotron3k
- Robo those people love colonisation, as long as it's British, just like the good old days.PhanLo
- It's not reversing a major vote. Leave might win again. About about voting on the deal. Before we voted on leave EU - which was an unknown.shapesalad
- Before, Leave EU was spearheaded by Fa-rage, Boris and bus of misinformation. No concrete deal, not even white papers on a deal.shapesalad
- We voted between known(current situation in EU) and unknown(Leave EU). Now, 7 months to go, still leave EU = ??? What. All ties are severed at 11.01pm 31 March.shapesalad
- And negotiations haven't even begun! Don't get mislead by the politics and 'national' pride. It's about facts. And fact is nothing has been planned or arranged.shapesalad
- sorry, 29th March.shapesalad
- It's not the EU's fault we're being 'colonised'. It was Blair that wanted a multi-culture Britain. We could have had a Viktor Orbán leader and less colonisationshapesalad
- rouncey0
The Reaminer politics of Fear has Become unhinged
http://www.spiked-online.com/new…
Remoaners’ dream of a second EU referendum is total codswallop
- Project Fear has never worked, and it is not going to start working nowrouncey
- Codswalloprouncey
- you mean brexit = no food, is an exaggeration?Gnash
- The sun lol.shapesalad
- Don't look at the politics. Look at the facts. This website, while in jest presents the facts: havewegotafuckingtra...shapesalad
- https://havewegotafu…shapesalad
- http://havewegotafuc…shapesalad
- If gov had an amazing deal lined up, I'd be saying great, lets try leaving EU. But idiot gov have only shown that they can't organise it...shapesalad
- And perhaps leaving EU is simply too complex, at least to arrange in 2 years, and in the hands of current gov.shapesalad
- With a hard brexit, UK will be fucked, what makes you think anything positive will be arranged then? Instead we'll be played directly into the hands of the EU.shapesalad
- EU have already lined up UK's replacement, a trade deal with Japan, a richer and X2 population as UK. What leverage do we have?shapesalad
- Hard brexit = end up with a worse EU deal than we currently have. At the moment we don't even have Euro.shapesalad
- shapesalad2
@rouncey
In the sun article you link to, a comment at the bottom of the article:
"I believe that in 1975 the first referendum was held. In 2016, we had the second referendum. I keep hearing that we should not have a second referendum. In that case, let us stick with the result of the first referendum (in 1975). If not, then stop saying you cant have another one as there has already been two so far."
ha ha, yeah you fools!
- PhanLo1
Here's a book Mogg's father wrote, about making a profit from chaos, Brexit will be good for him.
- He already has investments hedged to make money on a hard brexit. DYORshapesalad
- Fax_Benson1
"Theresa May needs no-deal to look awful, because a comparison with it is the only thing to recommend her own rubbish Chequers plan.The ERG hardliners on the backbenches need it to look completely normal, because it is the only form of Brexit which does not demand that they face the existence of objective reality."
- Brexit = unscrambling scrambled eggs back into yolk and egg whites. Good luck with that.shapesalad
- shapesalad0
Leavers don't seem to get it.
They say we can set our own tariffs. Yes on imports only. We can do that from day 1 of Brexit. That's what we can set at our boarder.
But our exports will immediately get WTO highest possible tariffs applied when they cross the boarder into all other countries in the world, as we have no agreements in place.
While in the EU, we've traded with the rest of the world and the EU via EU trade agreements.
We will need to enter into negotiations with all countries to get lower tariffs on our exports, such as with Japan.
But firstly negotiations haven't even begun with anyone. No countries. Not even non countries like Taiwan. Zip. Nada.
Negotiations take years to cement.
And because of bilateral agreements between USA <> EU, Japan <> EU etc - we are at a massive disadvantage when we get to the negotiation tables as Japan, USA etc are going to say our hands are tied as we have a clause in our EU agreements that says we can't import/export from non EU countries at a lower rate etc.
After Brexit - what is our leverage at the negotiation tables?
When we had an Empire and traded with the world and were one of the richest nations in the world, it was via our military clout, threatening and colonising ~ not by sharing hobnob biscuits around a negotiating table.
- With cheap imports and expensive exports what do you think's going to happen to our economy? It's going to tank.shapesalad
- Why buy from expensive Brexit UK?shapesalad
- If the £ sinks, which is likely, to €1 = £0.10, then we might have edge on exportsshapesalad
- ...but then imports and holidays are going be very very expensive. Get booking your rainy summer holiday at Skegness for 2019shapesalad
- sorry meant to type £1 = €0.10 / $0.10 etcshapesalad
- At least with climate change, scotland might be a bit more bearable in the summer before the winter Thunderdome kicks off.PhanLo
- shapesalad0
Around 7 ~ 8mins, good point about UK, as part of the EU, helped build the EU. Leavers complain about the EU and talk about it as a separate entity, but we've played a key role in it's architecture. Sure it's been a compromise, but to whole treat the EU as a separate body is a unrealistic approach.
Good quote in the comments:
"Brexit negioations in a nutshell: You've just handed in your notice in work (without securing a new job or contract to go to), then you start asking your employers for a redundancy package. When they refuse, you tell everyone who will listen that your employers are being awkward!"
