FUCK ADOBE!
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- Nairn1
Ooh, I just checked the Adobe site - I currently pay £30.32 for Illy and PS - they have an offer for the entire suite at £30.34.
Motherfucker.
- If I get that I can flip to PonyBoy's "It's a great deal!" philosophy.Nairn
- It's not a philosophy if I profit from the tools... it's just a part of my business.
Again, hobbies iz expen$ive. <3PonyBoy - Again, 'money for old rope'. If I continually pay for a service that increases my sxope, fine - but I bought a 'good hammer' years ago, why doesn't it still do?Nairn
- OK. Cool. Have been on the interChat with 'Nisha' and I think I will soon have the full suite. Now I can play with AE!Nairn
- Prob w/your analogy is something like a hammer doesn't need an upgrade to stay current... eg-I haven't bought a new mouse or keyboard in years...PonyBoy
- ... software is just a different story and always will be I think. :/PonyBoy
- i hope you managed.oey
- oey0
I've set my Adobe payment alarm for one week before next year's Black Friday...
- Bennn-3
we're sending them hundreds of billions in cash for virtual products. That's crazy. They don't have to build anything physical.
- You could say that about any other software company since the existence of computers. And? It's information technology and we make $$ with it. They deserve it.NBQ00
- software development is expensive benn.hotroddy
- Just highlighting the fact, i know it is how it workBennn
- This is my duty in here, highlighting factsBennn
- are you this narrow minded about everything, or just Adobe? Why do you CONSTANTLY insist their only business is software? Are you that naive?monospaced
- you aren't highlighting facts, dude, you're just making things up on pure assumption, whining about software you don't even usemonospaced
- last I heard, you don't send them a penny, and in fact, you steal their software, no?monospaced
- lol... Bennn... what would you do w/your 'physical' keyboard, mouse, computer and monitors w/out software? 'virtual' doesn't mean it's w/out value, weirdo.PonyBoy
- i never said virtual has no value. Its just crazy that a company makes hundreds of billions selling no physical objectsBennn
- Do you realize how many businesses are like this? Lawyers argue in your behalf... nothing but WORDS and you pay out the ass for them.PonyBoy
- Accountants shuffle virtual numbers around all day on your behalf... never giving you a physical product except maybe a printed piece of paper (your bill).PonyBoy
- ... and oddly enough most folks will gladly put both non-physical product business examples on a monthly retainer w/out giving it a second thought.PonyBoy
- Bennn, why do you keep insisting Adobe only sells software? You seem to have little-to-no grasp of their business. And you're not even a customer. Jesus christ.monospaced
- Their business isn't virtual. They have offices, employees, cloud services, enterprise services, marketing services. TONS of road staff.monospaced
- They throw events, support global business & marketing, and continue pushing new software and furthering the entire industry. And it's cheap!monospaced
- Hi mono.
I've never said Adobe only sells softwares. CC subs are worth 80%+ of their revenue. Look it up.Bennn - You JUST said "no physical objects." You are such a confused little puppy. Why do you care? You're not a designer or even a creative or a customer!monospaced
- The software isn't even expensive. If you can't afford it, you clearly don't have the skills to justify even using it.monospaced
- Bennn14
Just saw this tweet in a Lifehacker article:
''Adobe is raising the price of a single CC subscription from $39.99 a month (already incredible) to $48.99 a month (genuinely ridiculous). How much longer is the software-as-a-service scam going to continue before we reject it''
SO, Adobe is raising the CC price from 40$USD to 50$USD /Month or from 53$CAD to 66$CAD
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No comments.
- How much do you think is a fair price for so many tools? $1 a month? or $0?
Ppl will never stop complaining.NBQ00 - 25% raise ladies & gentlemen! They're fuckin crazy.Bennn
- Adobe is made for you NBQ, if you're ready to pay any price just because "you have so many tools"Bennn
- https://affinity.ser… No subscription. €54.99api
- I will probably jump on something like Affinity if my ''fixed'' version of CS6 ever stop working.Bennn
- it's been $50USD a month for many years alreadymonospaced
- But i will never subscribe to CC again thats for sure. I'm not using it enough and I dont make money out of it.Bennn
- It would be a non-sense to me to send 800$/year to a multi-billion$ company just for fun.Bennn
- Problem is they will never do an a la carteHayoth
- then you don't need the softwaremonospaced
- It's mot the $50 thats bad, its that everything is now $50 subscrip or more a month.Hayoth
- such as?monospaced
- CS3 for life! Or until it stops working. Then, I'm gonna pirate the last non-subscription version.section_014
- Good luck running 10 year old software down the line.monospaced
- I am not sure what the problem is. I used to pay thousands to upgrade, now it's $600/yr. Pennies compared to many SaaS.formed
- careful, formed... you sound reasonable and lack bitterness... you may want to slow down there, //moneybags.PonyBoy
- i compare it to putting petrol in your car - you need it for A>B pay for it - yes they gouge you but if you cant do it - get a bike = opensource_me_
- Why are you complaining? You're not paying for it! Lolpango
- Once its up, I'm out for alt ways cos this trend will never end with only one sub service.helloeatbreathedrive
- You can download all the old versions for free. https://www.adobe.co…Raybandana
- I'm getting hit by every which way, cancelling mine & going alts or earlier or better ahoy the latest, already found them, scanned and tested. Work just as goodhelloeatbreathedrive
- How come there is no good alternative for adobe? No real competition compare to audio, video editing or 3D software.ApeRobot
- i tried krita and gimp, utter shit software.ApeRobot
- ^true, solution is free earlier versions? or pirated latest, either way enough renting.helloeatbreathedrive
- Bring back Freehand!faxion
- alternative choices (and free) for AE/PR: natron.fr (for comp+mograph) and davinci resolve for editing+grading (free version has 1080p res limit)seldon
- I haven't used affinity, but when our studio uses something like sketch we just have never-ending issues with client adoption. If someone could make a script...ben_
- that could convert files to work between the softwares that would be worth $50/month.ben_
- @Bennn
That gig on freelancer.com would have payed for your monthly subscription.
Go get yours!
https://www.qbn.com/…soundofreason - @soundofreason lol yeah, it make no sense you see :PBennn
- @Raybandana The link doesnt work, the page auto reload to the indexBennn
- @Bennn
But it do make sense. It totally do.
You get that shit done in a caplah days and have the rest of the month to get the extra cash.
#livinglargesoundofreason - link works perfectly finemonospaced
- As an Adobe shareholder, I approve this new monthly price.stoplying
- @mono link doesnt work in Firefox, tried in Chrome and works. When I said it doesnt work, IT DIDNT WORKED M8Bennn
- @Raybandana Those are not free, go read the pages, you need serial numbers previosuly purchased ...Bennn
- https://www.coreldra…PonyBoy
- triggered much?monospaced
- tigerred much ;-)Bennn
- How much do you think is a fair price for so many tools? $1 a month? or $0?
- monospaced1
For almost all creatives I've worked with who subscribe to Adobe CC, the software pays for a year's subscription in less than a single day's work. That isn't a bad deal at all, in my opinion.
- Your friends are earning 12,000$ /month ? They're lucky man.Bennn
- That's charging only $75/hour. That's normal, buddy.monospaced
- Even at $50 an hour, it pays for itself in a day and half.monospaced
- Assuming that, as a freelancer, you have work that fill up 8H every day. I'm glad your friends are all making 145,000$+ a year, i dont have that chanceBennn
- I would pay a CC sub without any questions if I were making 145,000$ a year tooBennn
- So for you, Adobe is a tax that creatives people have to pay to an independant businessBennn
- Bennn, we all know you don't have a need for the software, which explains why you can't comprehend why they charge for it.monospaced
- And it's not just my friends, naive little buddy. Most freelance designers on this site make livings using the software, full time.monospaced
- Every craft in existence requires a cost for the tools. Photographers, painters, illustrators ... they all need hardware or software and it's not free.monospaced
- painters dont have to subscribe to a 50$ monthly plan for life to get their paintbrush cleaned.Bennn
- Paying one time and paying for the upgrades if we want, like in the old days was a good thing. Monthly plans is just a way to suck all our money.Bennn
- Painters still have to buy paints and canvases which are arguably far more pricey per month than the tiny Adobe CC fee. Hobbies are expensive, Bennn.PonyBoy
- Painters definitely spend more than $50 a month on supplies. Some tubes of paint cost that much alone! Don’t even get started on canvases and space.monospaced
- Mono do you own any Adobe stock?utopian
- nopemonospaced
- I don't even pay for a subscription anymore. I just use it at work now.monospaced
- dyspl2
$50 too expensive?
You can have a whole career as a designer, take on many different fields and projects throughout the plethora of softwares included, have access to exactly the same tools agencies and seasoned professionals have. you can basically make a living... all that for $50. If you ask me I find that pretty cheap.
-you do just 1job a year for a thousand bucks in freelance and you can pay for it (and you can even write it off, come on....). If you don't make money with it, then it's a hobby. As such no one force you to use CC, there are free options.
-Have you looked a monthly susbcription in the 3d field? now that is expensive...
-and lastly, chances are you have a cc account at work. you can use it on 2 computers. so I'm not sure what you exactly bitch about.. you can basically have it for free at home.
- freedom1
CC programs are amazing and have allowed so many people to run businesses from their homes. Everyone uses them.
For $50/mo you have unlimited access. Who can complain about that?
- Bennn.PonyBoy
- the only compliant that we used to own the sftwre, now we rent it and pay for useless stuff for what we think a abetter deal, instead they are slaying ushelloeatbreathedrive
- I feel just the opposite. I appreciate the constant updates and utilize at least 3 apps a day—5+ apps regularly—monthly Apps paid for w/less than 1 hours workPonyBoy
- +1 pony, plus all the other extras included, smaller apps, typekit etc.fadein11
- ya and they opened up typekit so all the fonts are included now. not limited anymore.Gnash
- You guys are brainwashed by a big Corp. Continue to send your money. You fell in the trap. They will continue to raise the price.Bennn
- If I still worked as a designer, I'd pony up. But, at this rate, it would be $20 every time I opened up the software. That's my complaint.section_014
- Bennn, just because you have no understanding of how professionals use the suite doesn't mean they're brainwashed.monospaced
- I'm not surprised this is your outlook, seeing as you are not their audience. I don't blame you, as most non creatives are just as clueless as to its uses.monospaced
- But I'm going to say again ... most creative professionals don't see $50 a month as a burden. It's downright cheap, and less than an hour's work.monospaced
- mono is a wise manformed
- @monospaced
Not if you're selling yourself on freelance.comsoundofreason - @soundofreason, I DID say creative professionals :)monospaced
- Death, taxes AND an Adobe Creative Cloud subscription.
These are the inevitabilities of life.ideaist - can agree... but... if you paid for photoshop in full 10 years ago, and pay subscription now, bit disappointing, all that's different is some bloat...shapesalad
- you still double click a layer to get the dated looking styles, nothing new there or updated. feels a bit of a rip off if you paid £400 back in the day.shapesalad
- you're now just paying for the code to run on latest OS X, and for some bloat feature you use in a blue moon. so it does seem pricey for that.shapesalad
- especially when affinity come out with more modern and faster apps that cost a fraction of an adobe subscription.shapesalad
- there's a lot more to CC than photoshopmonospaced
- It should be noted that the pricing varies a lot; Some have a business price, some have 1-2 year discount. It's currently $60 USD for individual, $80 for Biz.evilpeacock
- And even cheaper for the student version which, if you’re crafty enough you can get_niko
- Bennn1
I wonder how many people are paying the full CC sub just for Photoshop and sometimes a few minutes in Illustrator or InDesign 4-5 times per year.
Beign able to build our own ''package'' of programs would be a good thing. They're just offering the 'Photography Pack' or the 'Full On Sub' ... and the piece by piece software make no sense... WHo wants Illustrator only for 21$USA /month ?
- I doubt people sign up for full subs if they aren't even using the software. Your description is of a non professional. Better off using free built-in apps.monospaced
- No mono. Not all designers work with 5 Adobe program opened all day long making 145,000$ a year. Only you and your friends ;-)Bennn
- The moment you need more than two of their programs, you soon need more. Like PS + ID, likely you need Illy and Acrobat Pro as well. etc etc. This is why.mekk
- I am one of those people - I use Illy all the time, then PS about 3-4 times I week. I now have the full suite for £1 more than both those programs indepedently.Nairn
- Nice to be described as a 'non professional' because of this by monospaced though. A new realisation for me. Keen insight!Nairn
- @ Bennn, I NEVER said my friends make $145,000 a year. That was your assumption.monospaced
- I only said that if you charge a decent rate (such as $50-$100 an hour), you can pay for a month's subscription in less than a day, as a professional.monospaced
- If someone doesn't need to use it for regular work, chances are they aren't professional. You all take things way too fucking literally (autistic much?)monospaced
- Thank goodness Adobe has plans for these scenarios, which aren't contracted for years.monospaced
- For me the value in CC, and what keeps me locked in, is that the individual apps are cross-compatible. If I were just needing a pixel editor aka PS, I'd use onezarkonite
- of the alternatives by a competitor. I ditched Sketch for XD even though it's inferior because it plays so well with the rest of CC and I know Adobe is going tozarkonite
- be around in 10 years... I'm not so sure any of the startups will and I've got a business to run and re-training costs $$.zarkonite
- I pay the full for mostly PS, AI, Acrobat Pro, Bridge and sometimes In. Then sometimes I use AE, Pr and Audition.oey
- shapesalad0
Signed up years ago, when I seem to recall from the marketing at the time that you could easily pause subscriptions etc... I clearly hadn't read the small print clearly at the time, or things have changed... but wishing to cancel my subscription since going full-time, I find out, I've got to pay for 50% of the remainder of my annual subscription, which since it just renewed is quite a flipping lot. I had presumed I could cancel it at any time, and it'd just stop at the end of the month and no further payments...
managed to get an offer of a reduced annual subscription and cancelation fee refunded.
so it amounts to either handing over a load of cash for nothing or a discounted sub for a year.. Might as well take the subscription and at least 'get' something for it than feel like I'm handing adobe cash for nothing....
Adobe. Me hates you now.
- mugwart1
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- helloeatbreathedrive4
As I mentioned above 'Once its up, I'm out for alt ways cos this trend will never end with only one sub service.'
Yep, just received an email from Gsuite, 5 bucks to 6, 10 to 12. This trend will continue. Those little dollars add up to billions in unpaid tax revenue in offshore accounts. Nice going.
- sted0
- more:
https://www.qbn.com/…sted - posted it up a few. Not good news for the community.mugwart
- more:
- formed0
People bitching about Adobe must not have to deal with other SaaS. Many of those force you to pay for an entire year at one time (Salesforce, etc.) and do not offer any prorated refunds.
Sure, it would be nice if I could get only the 5 or so programs I care about, but if they were $10/month that would still be a great deal.
- chukkaphob3
Is Adobe supposed to become a non-profit organization?
I don't quiet follow.
- imbecile1
good morning illustrator, any particular reason that the rectangle tool and ellipse tool are no longer together? k thx bye
- change workspace to essentials-should be there.lvl_13
- Click ellipses on the left (...), hit the tiny icon on the top right of the next bit, change from "Advanced" to "Basic".
Was losing my mind over this shit.ideaist - thximbecile
- Once you've adjusted those simple settings finish by gently blotting your eyes and cheeks w/kleenex.PonyBoy
- pony, i've said it once i'll say it again, go fuck yourselfimbecile
- Uh oh... someone ran out of KleenexPonyBoy
- I love the passive agressive vibe lolhelloeatbreathedrive
- Nairn1
Nnngh, this is ... odd.
In Photoshop, I have a rectangular thing in the centre of a document, and it's layer is otherwise transparent. When I go to filters to distort it - either using pinch or the filter menu - the fucking thing's off-centre. Given I want to have a consistent, centred distortion, this presents a problem.
Only cludge I can think of to get around it (I'm in a hurry) is to fill the transparent area, forcing the bit I actually give a shit about, into the centre. This means I then need to clean up around after distorting, which is ... irksome
I can't even begin to get my head around whatever logic is underpinning this problem.
These filters are Photoshop 101.
Fuck Adobe.
- is there something else on the layer you don't see and therefore the center is off?uan
- No, that was the first thing I thought of. Weird thing is, if I change doc size, the offsetness of the centreing changes.Nairn
- i blame a stray pixelhans_glib
- fuck, it's true.uan
- What do you mean, uan - you've replicated it at your end??
@hans - Nope, it can' tbe because of way rectangle was added, but I checked anyway. 'tis odd.Nairn - yes i tried with a rectangle, centered to the stage and filter-distort-spher... center it uses is not the center of the layer nor the doc...uan
- !!!
What version are you on? (lol, I just checked - i'm still on 2014 on this machine - perhaps I should upgrade...)
Thanks, uan.Nairn - version 2017.1.1.
you can select the content, expand the selection by some hundert pixels and then it works as you would think it should.uan - CMD + T
If the Transform bounding box is bigger than the rectangle you have on the canvas then you have a stray pixel or something on the layer.Centigrade - Are you on an artboard? A lot of filters get thrown off by artboards because the document is actually much bigger than the ab but you can't see its bounds.zarkonite
- so it looks like you're centered on the ab but you're, for example, way on the left side of the entire doc.zarkonite
- Thanks guys, but nup — this doc was as simple as simple could be — flat source cropped bitmap, added rectangle fill... pain in the arse glitch.Nairn
- Bennn-1
- They can by rising your monthly feesBennn
- They increased 0.5% over 8 years Bennn. And none of that came from you. Also, that's not the only way they make money. Not even close.monospaced
- it just recovered from buying magentosted
- Bennn0
Last five years:
Since Day 1:
- love that big ass chart, doesn't tells you about how they outsourced the actual product developmentssted
- Bennn, have you seen Microsoft's stock chart? Don't you pay for their software?monospaced
- Bennn0
@mono
''Adobe achieved record quarterly revenue of $2.29 billion in its third quarter of fiscal year 2018, which represents 24 percent year-over-year revenue growth.''
''Digital Media segment revenue was $1.61 billion, with Creative revenue growing to $1.36 billion and Document Cloud achieving record revenue of $249 million, which represents 21 percent year-over-year growth. ''
Sorry mono but the majority of their revenue is from the money you're sending them every months of your whole life
- Good on them!! I hope they keep raking it in and making great tools that cheap and help me make a load of money. I'd invest in them if I had the money.PonyBoy
- *that are cheap
... and truth is... i do have the cash to invest ... def. thinking about shifting some over to them. +3.42 today... nice!PonyBoy - I don't send them anything, so way to make assumptions, little confused buddy. But the price hikes DO NOT account for their stock price increase.monospaced
- And please, stop directing your DUMBASS posts at me. you sound like an idiot.monospaced
- Their subscriptions only increased 0.5% over the last decade. They don't just make money on those, but you wouldn't know because you are so naive.monospaced
- Also, if you haven't noticed, the graphs a nd charts you're posting indicate only HALF of their revenue is subscriptions. THanks for making my point.monospaced
- And if I'm wrong, then tell me: which revenue stream is their subscription? "Creative" or "Digital Media?" They are about equal.monospaced
- you are very emotional about this topic and me mono, just talking here.Bennn
- you're fucking KIDDING right? Your'e the one making several posts (every year) whining like a confused child about this, while PIRATING THE SOFTWAREmonospaced
- if you were just talking, you wouldn't be posting charts and graphs you clearly can't comprehend, and complaining non-stop about their profitsmonospaced
- I might even say that you're beyond emotional. You're downright obsessed. It makes no sense, since you don't even use their software professionally.monospaced
- dis
https://blog.chartmo…sted - and dat: (some actual thing not just speculation)
https://www.mckinsey…sted - 1. That chart ended 5 years ago
2. The red and blue lines are the same thingmonospaced
- Bennn0
Subscriptions is the ultimate business plan for any business. Having customers tied to your company, sending money on a regular basis is the best thing any company can dream of.
- Bennn—how 'bout you give Adobe a run for their money? Instead of bitching about them on a forum why don't you start your own BennnGraphics Suite? Make it free!PonyBoy
- I prefer the companies i use to lose moneyGnash
- Bennn Creative Plan, only 1.99$/m for Photobennn or 199.99$/m for the whole suite including Tiger Vector 2000 v2.0Bennn
- that's too much, man :)
FREE! ...make it like no other.PonyBoy - holy shit, why are you bennnsplaining how capitalism works?monospaced
- lol ponyfadein11
- The charts you posted NO NOT back up your claim that Adobe is making most of its money on subscriptions, though.monospaced
- yeah any ideas? I want to offer a subscription...shapesalad
- #Bennnsplaining LOL!Krassy
- PhotoBennn would Bennnsplainin shit to the client right? subscribe me nowsted
- benn, just buy bennsplainin,com, or bennsplained.com and do a kind of alternate to wikipediaGnash
- I would contribute to that gofundmeGnash
- Bennnsplaining is an addon to the suite, its offered for only 4.99$/mBennn
- https://www.youtube.…PonyBoy