Israel bombing shit..
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- GeorgesII0
an incredibly detailed article from mondoweiss,
this is what journalism should be, not twittter rehashing like msm has been doing
http://mondoweiss.net/2012/11/di…"...If we borrow the IDF’s claim that more than 12,000 rockets have been fired into Israel in the last twelve years (which I dispute later), we get a kill rate of less than 0.217%. Thus in order to secure a single kill, we should expect to fire about 500 rockets. However, if the goal is to specifically kill Jews rather than foreign workers and Palestinian laborers, then it gets harder. Only 21 Jews have been killed by this method, bringing the kill rate down to 0.175%.
If this sounds disturbing or even anti-Semitic, note that I am just testing the argument of the current Israeli ambassador Michael Oren, who, during Operation Cast Lead, co-wrote an op-ed in the Wall Street Journal claiming that the Gaza rockets and mortars were “more than a crude attempt to kill and terrorize civilians—they were expressions of a genocidal intent.”..."
- very good point Georges!utopian
- claims of "genocidal intent" are ridiculous. If that was the intent gaza would suffer thousands of civilian casualtiesadded_valium
- +remember that terror aims to terrorize - not to kill all your enemies. this effect is achieved even with low kill ratesadded_valium
- Then I guess, the people of gaza are living in pure terror then, can they travel, go to school, enjoy a semi normal life?GeorgesII
- cherub0
That's a cute idea but I'm pretty sure it is not the IDF's fault the enemy's rockets are too crappy to do what they are designed to do.
If I pointed a rocket at you, in order to kill you, I'm pretty sure you would be angry whether the rocket had a 100% chance of hitting you, a 10% chance, or 0.1% chance.
No offense, but this is what people are talking about when they say, "don't overthink it"
You try to kill someone, you might set them off. Nerding out over statistics doesn't really change that.
- <inteliboy
- <<waterhouse
- <<<added_valium
- So you're saying rockets don't kill people, people kill peopleTheBlueOne
- Of course if you steal people's land and then they shoot at you with ineffective rockets...TheBlueOne
- ..and then you bomb them, I think things start getting a bit muddier, you know, thinking wiseTheBlueOne
- I think one would have to jump through lots of mental hoops to justify killing people's land you've stolen and think you're the good guyTheBlueOne
- the good guy. But hey, there I go again, overthinking itTheBlueOne
- dijitaq0
they occupy other people's land and build settlements, yet expects a neighbourly welcome?
this is what people are talking about when they say, "don't overthink it"
- pablo280
'QATAR AIDED ATTACK ON GAZA'
Emir of Qatar, Sheikh Hamad, visited Gaza on 23 October 2012.
During the visit, Qatar's Emir gifted a number of watches and ballpoint pens to Hamas leaders.
Reportedly, "these watches and pens transmitted low-frequency signals to Israeli satellites.
"The Israeli military then used the received signals to spot and assassinate senior Hamas officials."
- GeorgesII1
@ Cherub, let's be honest here,
how is Gaza different from the warsaw ghetto?1. they do not have an army
2. they do not have tanks, fighter jets, missiles (at least the idf is careful enough to call them rockets) or any kind of heavy armory capable of inflicting severe damage to the israeli army before being polverised
3. 1.5+million people are crammed inside this city jail where the demographic is 40+% under 15 if I recall, most of them can't even readSo the mighty bastion of democracy in the middle east is actually just bombing a heavy populated city where people have nowhere to hide or run, while the western media are pretending they have an army capable of invading Israel or even entering Tel Aviv,
does it looks like I'm taking a side? I hope not, but I love to overthink issues like this when the final result will be the death of countless innocent people from BOTH sides,
maybe in your video game reality, you get hit and hit back while sitting in your sofa but in the real world, it only leads to more carnage.I don't know where you are from but facts and accurate portrayal of history is what make the world less bullshit
here's a detailed timeline of the events, now it seems like both sides are at fault, sadly the person who was supposed to make a broker a serious truce was droned
http://www.theatlantic.com/inter…
demographics
http://www.indexmundi.com/gaza_s…
- pablo280
no more news from gaza?
The IDF struck a building housing two international media outlets early Sunday morning, hours after striking another building housing a number of media outlets, the affected media outlets reported. Six journalists were injured in the first strike but no injuries were reported in the second strike. Sky News Arabia and Al-Arabiya said their offices were hit in the second strike. The first strike hit a building housing Palestinian Ma'an and Al Quds television stations. Five Al Quds employees and one freelancer were injured in that strike. Iran's PressTV later said the sixth injury was one of its cameramen. The IDF said the first strike targeted a rooftop "transmission antenna used by Hamas to carry out terror activity."
- GeorgesII0
@added_valium
how's the situation man?
- it fucking sucks. just got back from taking my 3 yr. old out of kindergarden because rocket pieces fell not far from thereadded_valium
- keep your family close and be safe man, keep us updatedGeorgesII
- renderedred0
I don't know how many of you live here, so can analyze the situation up close, but all I can tell (haven't read all the replies in this thread, sorry) is one thing. Elections in January 2013. That's all you need to know to understand this.
- Likud officials say PM could get Knesset approval to delay election, but associates warn that postponing race would show weakness.pablo28
- would show weakness.pablo28
- And swing votes.renderedred
- By enlisting 75,000 reserve soldiers, gives them 75,000 votes without a blink. Over dead bodies, but that's OK.renderedred
- Killing Jabbari is a publicity stunt in the elections campaign.renderedred
- lowimpakt0
@renderedred - that's a good point because with every flare up there is a constant who shot first rabble rousing.
can you explain a bit more by what you mean when you say "By enlisting 75,000 reserve soldiers, gives them 75,000 votes without a blink"?
- renderedred0
@lowimpact
To answer your question. Israel was in many wars. Whenever a war occurs here, most people forget everything and go back to the essential upbringing and indoctrination, which is simple, Arabs are bad and they want us all dead. Holocaust again. The fear, here in Israel, results automatically in a huge swing to the right in all peoples' opinions. So, these 75,000 + regular army + all their families are voting Likud-Beitenu without a doubt, while if there was no conflict people could vote Center or even Left (which both already don't exist here for a long time.) If you take a look back at elections in the last 20-30 years in Israel you will see that in most cases, conflicts almost always "happened" 2-3 months before elections. And I will not even get into why Jabbari was killed and not somebody else. There is a reason for that too.
- And if I'm talking about 20-30 years back, who financed the formation of Hammas?renderedred
- lowimpakt0
@renderedred
that short sightedness would support the lack of an effective Israeli military strategy (laying siege to gaza and blocking them off from the outside, air strikes and occasional ground incursions). They have to admit it isn't working and these actions lead to greater levels of palestinian humiliation/frustration/anger and international exasperation.
i was talking to someone last night about the religious dimension to the conflict - i.e. the preparation of Israel for the second coming and how this dimension alone, while probably forgotten by many, would explain the total madness of the situation.
- religion has nothing to do with gaza (imo). israel withdrew from gaza and would love to have nothing to do with itadded_valium
- The Jews killed Jesus back at the 'first coming'. What makes them think he'll go back a 2nd time!ebertzjaw
- wtf does jesus have to do with anything here?added_valium
- GeorgesII0
the saddest thing in this whole snafu
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A: Hey, this land is ours!
B: how d'you know?
A: It's written in the sacred book, the one God gave to us.
B: what book?
A: the one we wrote, haven't you read it..
B: ooh, makes perfect sense, keep on truckin then
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- renderedred0
@lowimpact
on the first issue, that's exactly what they want, that's the strategy. israel must have enemies. i don't want to get into deeper discussions about politics but all that is about an ultra-capitalist-militarist-teoc... that would do anything, including risking people's lives to get to power and keep it. nobody cares about palestinians or even israelis. that's all this is about. a continuous conflict suits both sides by the way.as per the religious dimension i haven't come across anything implying such a thing. but i am not particularly interested in religion so i may be wrong. i'd say no, because, take a look at a right-wing pro-war rally in tel aviv a few days ago, lead by a religious member of parliament. if you understand hebrew or can get somebody to translate for you, you won't hear second coming, but you'll hear much, much worse things about the so called "left" across the street holding an anti-war demonstration. that in my view is the mainstream religious view and that is israel for you my friend.
- ultra-capitalist-mil...renderedred
- ultra capitalist militarist theocracy was supposed be written.renderedred
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- lowimpakt0
sorry for bringing religion into it but i was talking to someone about a Hitchens video - this one in particular
- interesting.renderedred
- As for what he says about Zionism, it has been blurred on purpose. >renderedred
- http://en.wikipedia.…renderedred
- kgvs720
I have a feeling that the shit is going to hit the fan in the Middle East one day, real bad; I'm talking about another "war to end all wars".
There are so many countries with issues and interests involved, religious, religious extremism, political, oil, business, corruption, monarchies, dictators, deposed dictators, etc etc The shit is bound to hit the fan if you ask me.
- very plausible.renderedred
- sadly when you think about it,
it seems that is the only reason they put israel there,GeorgesII - I frequently think that it's just a matter of time. They'll never move forwards positively, only way forwards is backwards.mg33
- And I think Israel is really itching to finally show some massive aggressive strength under the guise of defense. Whether its Hamas,Iran, Egypt, so much at play to make it snap.mg33
- Hamas, Egypt, or Iran, there's so much there to make them snap.mg33
- I think Iran is the worst part: if they attack Iran, then they'll have to wipe out Hamas because they'll quickly attack Israel to back up Iran.mg33
- back up Iran. Then Iran physically retaliates and it just gets worse from there.mg33
- prophetone0
yup.
- pablo280
"It's not a religious war.
Zionists are not religious people. Most Muslims don't wish to fight, but they are not afraid to die.Most Jews lived in peace with their Muslim brothers for centuries. There is nothing 'Christian' about the personalities involved in this Millennium old conspiracy.
This is something else. This is the rebirth of Templarism, hidden inside freemasonry they are still worshiping ancient demons. What we commonly know as Satanism.
War and mass human sacrifice.
Perhaps Satanism is religion, I'm not sure though. Anti-religion I would call it."
- pablo280
Israel faces 44 million attacks on websites in response to Gaza offensive - RT
http://www.anonpaste.me/anonpast…
JERUSALEM — The Israeli government on Sunday admitted it had become the victim of a mass cyber-warfare campaign with millions of attempts to hack state websites since the start of its Gaza offensive four days ago.
Speaking ahead of the weekly cabinet meeting, Israeli Finance Minister Yuval Steinitz said the government was now waging war on "a second front -- of cyber attacks against Israel."
Steinitz said in the past four days, Israel had "deflected 44 million cyber attacks on government websites. All the attacks were thwarted except for one, which targeted a specific website that was down for six or seven minutes."
- pablo280
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