Evolution
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- yurimon0
- your point?monospaced
- whats your point?yurimon
- you firstmonospaced
- Is there a point? your assuming there isyurimon
- Yes, I did make that assumption. MY bad.monospaced
- so you're like the dude at the party, random blurting one word phrases into other peoples' conversations?BrokenHD
- Yeah, the guy with the che shirt on who just figured out about the illuminatiaaux
- your like the cynical dudes at the party? bitter questioning. putting everything under microscopeyurimon
- that's what "science" does, dumbass, it's more rational than blind idiotic faithmonospaced
- LOLmoldero
- i_monk0
Is evolution "controversial" outside the US (and Alberta)? Can we get a flat Earth thread too?
- Ask and you shall receive!
Matthew 21:22utopian - It isn't, no. People who are educated about evolution and believe it, use it to further science and technology.mikotondria3
- Given that oil exploration, a field dominated by geoscientists, is the engine of Alberta, I was shock at the proposition too.ETM
- "Bill 44".ETM
- Ask and you shall receive!
- Maaku0
- Monkeys have evolved, they're just waiting for the right time...goldieboy
- common ancestor.fredddddd
- yep, common ancestorjaylarson
- Sadrt quesiton. By the same token, why are there still bacteria?detritus
- Because a subset of a species starts down the path of evolution or adaptation doesn't mean it universal.ETM
- Genetic grouping, environment, and numerous other factors facilitate it.ETM
- Hostile environments and resource shortages often promote evolution or adaptation as a species works to survive or thrive.ETM
- to survive and thrive.ETM
- bacteria found its niche and is necessary in the ecosystem, and it DID evolve leaving behind its cousinsmonospaced
- SADRT.detritus
- whoops. Didn't expect there to be responses. sadrt = daft, oddly.
detritus - Word, weaker species must adapt. SHARKS!!toemaas
- Or the weakest from the group adapt into different species : /toemaas
- monospaced0
@Maaku, this is a classic misunderstanding of evolution. You have to picture the "tree" and the branches. Every creature finds a place and often evolution kind of stops. When a species branches it finds a new place and so on. Monkeys and apes, for example, represent families on branches that split far back. Apes stopped along the way of our path and we as a species mark the furthermost point. It's a really cool concept and it explains the diversity we have. Plus, goldieboy is right, there's tons of evidence for evolution we can observe.
- So we are lucky to be the chosen ones! (to fuck this world up....) I see, interesting...Maaku
- thanksMaaku
- "lucky" is subjective, but yes, we are unique in that we are this intelligentmonospaced
- I was just taking the piss, but thanks mono. I do like you 'tree' and 'branch' metaphor thoughgoldieboy
- It's not really a metaphor, it's pretty much a known factmonospaced
- No, I'm saying that you're comparing trees/branches to a mammals evolution... that's a metaphor.goldieboy
- sure is, and it applies to all living thingsmonospaced
- fredddddd0
^ why does it stop?
aren't things always evolving?
- Things find a balance, niches, but yes, they are still evolving nonetheless.monospaced
- humans toopressplay
- monospaced0
@fredddddd
There's a theory called "punctuated equilibrium" that explains it very well.- lots of criticism about this, although I think it makes a lot of sense, personallymonospaced
- Maaku0
^ If that theory is correct can you point us other species and their branches like us and primates? (not arguing here)
- Sure, just google it:
https://www.google.c…monospaced - Cool
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- Sure, just google it:
- BrokenHD0
This is a quote from the comments of the article i posted above (written by Ralph Damiani), I found it eloquent on the subject and thought I'd share it...
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As an agnostic, I find it intriguing, to say the least, how some people's Faith remains unmoved by the progression of science. They may have driven home in their fossile fueled cars and accessed this page from their wireless internet connections in their multicore laptops, perhaps not unlike Moses would have done if he lived to date. Yet, heaven forbids a few billion years in which we were not the center of the universe (apparently, we are now).
Faith does not need to object Reason if you're sensible enough to accept the physical reality and the nature of our existence as evolving questions to which there will always be a number of new answers, sometimes replacing outdated ones. But also, there will always be new mysteries to which the role of a God can ever be present, as many religious scientists, no doubt, will agree. Einstein never did.
It takes but a moment to rephrase and redirect one's Faith in order to accomodate the new facts that surface, and will continue to do so, as we become knowledgeable of things previously unknown or uncertain in our history and the history of life. Gone is the mud and sparkling winds, enters DNA and evolution, but is the actual recipe so important? Why so much resistence?
If I were to believe in God in the traditional sense, I would hardly see the need to do so in the role of a hermit bedouin stranded in medieval times. Yes, they had little choice in the realm of satellites, eletron microscopes and carbon dating, so they never had much of a reason to question their nightstand literature, busy witch hunters as they were.
But where we stand today, I wonder how this very same mindset can still exist! One can only hope to hear "So yes, there may not have been an actual Adam and Eve, but that doesn't diminish the metaphorical importance of Eden, as we approach the power to synthetize life ourselves" and instead there are those ready to swear by all saints the amount of days it takes to create the universe?
It's really difficult to make a strong argument against the theory of biological evolution when you're ready to regard the Bible as a historical account of everything there is, written by God through men. In the realms of unlikeliness, at least one of those theories is nearing conclusion. Well, at least for those not ready to dismiss it a liberal conspiracy (that would be highly amusing though).
To any extent, good science doesn't -NEED- to render the Bible useless. Quite the contrary. It's actually ironic how one the most timeless and flexible aspects of the Bible, one that would render it permanently relevant for mankind, which is the moral applicability of its paraboles, is lost to readers without an ounce of imagination.
Instead of re-interpreting pertinent lessons written thousands of years ago and translate them into our contemporary lives, they are, sadly, more concerned about propagating a doctrines. And this is where science really outshines religion in my humble opinion: Flawed as it may be, (and mainstream science if full of them) it encourages you to seek your own conclusions, and by using your God given brain, no less, you can actually prove others wrong.
- hotroddy0
If someone is responsible for life, he should have thought of a better method to sustaining life than the current model of killing/consuming other organisms to survive.
Prick move!
- this was my post a year ago? hahahotroddy
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- omg0
When God spoke to the Jews, they told them that us Goyums (gentiles/ non-jews) are meant to serve them. They will inherit the Earth. Which makes sense because they own everything. Does the Torah speaks the truth?! Is it true that Jesus is a false prophet and we've yet to find the true messiah? Since Jesus was a Jew, the whole world still bows down to serve the Jew. Or do you actually believe that dinosaurs exist?
- utopian0
whhipp, please keep your moronic nonsensical flatulence in the political thread.
- TheBlueOne0
Put two scientists in a room who disagree about the mechanisms of evolution and watch as they compare evidence empirically until one yields to the other who has a better conception of how the universe works. It might take a decade, but eventually they go out and have a beer.
Put two exponents of different religions in the same room who disagree how their particular god created the earth. They call each other blasphemers, exhort their followers to harm/kill the others or treat them as somehow unclean and less then human if they don't yield to the obvious 'truth'.
Science > Religion
- monospaced0
I was filtering for a thread about 666 Park Avenue (new tv show) and found this gem. Seemed worthy of a bump and relevant to this thread.
Enjoy.
- Typical JazX at work there. Reminds me of whhipp, same difference...utopian
- I think you mean "no difference"monospaced
- well that was fascinating..BrokenHD
- scarabin0
i don't think there's anything to debate
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