iFlowReader out of business
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- Boz
A classic example on why Apple's iOS closed up platform (in-app purchasing, distribution etc) plus ever changing rules that benefit Apple only, are hurtful to developers, startups and businesses.
This is why I always told new startups to watch out and never build their primary business based on Apple's platform.
https://www.iflowreader.com/Clos…
http://bit.ly/mJ3kruAnd you ask why I dislike Apple's business model? Here's why. Their greed is killing startups.
Sorry for iFlowReader, but I'm guessing next time when they build a business it won't rely on Apple's platforms first.
- monospaced0
But, Apple isn't the only company that is trying to make a profit.
- oh, shit, posting that is like throwing stale bread at pigeons, isn't it?monospaced
- ernexbcn0
Welcome to yet another Apple hate thread by the Boziderpo.
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Middlemen, upset about middleman fees?
- Boz0
@mono..
True.. however due to the closed nature of their eco-system, this approach is by definition anti-competitive. So on one hand they require you to use all of their APIs and hardware, and on the other hand when they create a service that competes with someone who might have already started doing that, that startup is dead as we can see in this example.
Read the first link I posted.. Why they have to close. It has a lot to do with brand new Apple rule that makes it mandatory for everyone to sell their books and content through iBook store.
- Open/closed. It gets fuzzy. There's mad competition out there, and if Apple is that bad, they'll fail.monospaced
- ernexbcn0
@Boz you can take your business elsewhere, who is forcing anyone to release apps for iOS?
- because dumbass, as a startup, you build for the market and there were no rules that forced them to do this when they released it on IOS.. this new anti-competitive rule is going into effect in June.. it's 100% wrong and there is no way you can predict what Apple will do tomorrow and if it will cause your startup to close.Boz
- they released it on IOS.. this new anti-competitive rule is going into effect in June.. it's 100% wrong and there is no way you can predict what Apple will do tomorrow and if it will cause your startup to close.Boz
- way you can predict what Apple will do tomorrow and if it will cause your startup to close.Boz
- Boz0
@ernexbcn
Since you are completely retarded and don't understand how world works..
A startup doesn't have resources and capabilities of Apple when they start doing things. They won't necessarily look as great as Apple or other big company but what they compete with is in many cases, offering, the lower price they offer and many other things.
As their startup grows they get better designers, better UI guys etc etc and it becomes much more beautiful.
To kill startups because Apple CAN, is absolutely pathetic and retarded.
I get it.. you just can't see anything wrong with Apple's approach.. as long as Steve Jobs tells you it's magical. Everyone who closes and doesn't want to do it Apple's way deserves to be bankrupted.. I get it.. LOL.. stupid fanboys.
- Can you just reply without calling people retards? It doesn't help your case, man.monospaced
- monospaced0
Do I need to remind you that Apple's iOS and developer platform has opened up hundreds of thousands of opportunities for smaller developers? I mean, c'mon.
- most of them manage to design a half decent UI without stealing icons too.animatedgif
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Nothing of value was lost though, it's not like they had a compelling product or anything. They just wanted to be a middleman and set up their own walled garden inside Apples walled garden.
Can't say I have any sympathy
- that's what business is.. there shouldn't be Apple telling you how to run your business... I don't get how some of you can't understand this.Boz
- understand this.Boz
- it's their store though, don't like it then develop for Android.animatedgif
- Boz0
- ernexbcn0
Boz stop calling people names, you keep opening stupid Apple hate threads this one about a company almost no one knew it even exists to try to make an idiotic point about who knows what.
Panic sold an MP3 player software for Mac before Apple released iTunes, and they have been doing fine selling Transmit and Coda and other software.
Don't put all your eggs in a single basket, that's a good lesson, and stop calling people names simply because they don't agree with you.
- ernexbcn0
"There shouldn't be Apple telling you how to run your business"
If you choose to work on Apple's devices you are bound to whatever changes or stuff they do with, if you don't want to be limited by that do something else, I can't believe you are even arguing about that.
- exactly... no OS company is going to do something that kills there own market.Amicus
- Boz0
@ernexbcn
no I call you names because your responses are idiotic but you have no issue telling me how I'm stupid and I'm losing patience.. your comments and examples are idiotic too.. MP3 player and ITunes.. what the fuck are you even comparing?
iOS situation is completely different because Apple didn't go and forced Panic's MP3 player in your case, to sell the music through Apple and give them 30% of their profit.. They didn't also have no rules about something, Panic made software and then Apple goes and forces them to give them piece of their profits by making it mandatory for Panic to use Apple's platform.
Jesus Christ.
- ernexbcn0
This just in: Apple is not an NPO, if they don't compete with you or your idea some other company will.
- ernexbcn0
@Boz I'm giving you an example of a company that made money selling something that Apple started offering for free, and how they release other shit that in my opinion no one else does better (Transmit and Coda).
Can't see how the example relates? these guys made the mistake of betting their whole company on someone elses platform and now we are supposed to feel pity and curse the evil company with the fruit logo.
FFS.
- ernexbcn0
@Boz one thing about creating your own devices and ecosystem is that you decide how the fuck you are supposed to run it. Don't like it? go somewhere else.
- Boz0
You do realize that Panic makes money on OSX which is much more open right and has no rules like this right? Your comparison doesn't make any sense.
You do realize that with EVERYONE else, regardless of the platform, you have license and terms of use that can't just change over time into something that blackmails you.. that's those terms exist in the first place.. For someone who wants to make software for it can feel confident on what they can and can't do.
The fact that Apple goes and changes these rules on a whim without regard of who it will affect and brings this mafia like extortion rule on developers that HELPED them get to where they are is just plain fucking evil, greedy, anti-competitive and shit.