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- Boz0
@ESKIMA
Ha ha.. making comparison of a technology company to a restaurant.
In your analogy if you can call it that, nobody is telling Apple to allow others to sell computers and devices through their retail stores.. Apple is a hardware company first that is using software/content lock in to sell more of it.
Apple is more like mafia. They own buildings and they rent them out for people to run businesses and live there, and everybody can come in, but if you start doing something after a while where mafia wants a cut from or they loved your idea so they want to compete with you, you need to buy "protection". If you don't, you are a goner. If you do, well everyone is happy cause now the big boss Steve gets 30% share of your business.
Hey listen. I personally don't give a crap about all this.. I tell everyone to develop for Android first and iOS second because Android is clearly the future, startups can control their business however they want and then iOS is their second choice because it's unavoidable. But their primary business is always wiser to be based on Android because they will have full control over it and no company can tell them what they can or can't do.
I also said, it's these guys fault too.. I just hope more and more devs realize this. But they'll probably realize once they actually face Apple censorship and they can't do anything about it.. at which point it's too late.
So it's wise to go with open and then expand into proprietary instead of going proprietary platform and then going wide because as seen here, Apple has full control over your business if you start with them.
All I'm saying is, that Apple is the most closed up, proprietary, anti-competitive, anti-consumer, greedy company in tech world today.
They make beautiful products, but that doesn't excuse their business model and company politics.
- monospaced0
But, Apple isn't the only company that is trying to make a profit.
- oh, shit, posting that is like throwing stale bread at pigeons, isn't it?monospaced
- inteliboy0
boz you lost me. sorry. Every post of yours here is just opinion, not fact or based on any sense of reality.
You fail to give a reasonable, real world example of what the fuck it is that Apple is doing that is so wrong... rather you continue to deliver fanboy style hyberbole that ammounts to nothing.
- ernexbcn0
Welcome to yet another Apple hate thread by the Boziderpo.
- Boz0
You have all the freakin evience man.. What else do you need..
1. FACT: They kick apps from the store for similar features as their services.
2. FACT: You can't sell any content or use 3rd party APIs for users using iPhone 4 hardware if you want to release an app on app store.
3. FACT: They change terms on a whim. Read the response from a developer posted in this thread and why they are forced to close their business. You build an app, you sell content, then you suddenly are told you will now have to give 30% of your profit to Apple because they changed the agreement after.
4. FACT: The only way to get apps on your phone is App Store.
What the fuck else do you want.. there's a TON of other facts and reasons that back up my "opinions"..
I would argue it is some of you people who are such Apple fans that counter with Apple corporate rhetoric and PR babble instead of showing examples.
All you are doing is justifying shit that Apple does.
I'm giving you DIRECT FUCKING example in real life on why Apple sucks ass, you just choose to ignore it because you love Apple so much that you will justify anything they do.
I guess I shouldn't be surprised because that's how Apple cult operates really. Most people believe that shit.
- animatedgif0
Middlemen, upset about middleman fees?
- Boz0
@mono..
True.. however due to the closed nature of their eco-system, this approach is by definition anti-competitive. So on one hand they require you to use all of their APIs and hardware, and on the other hand when they create a service that competes with someone who might have already started doing that, that startup is dead as we can see in this example.
Read the first link I posted.. Why they have to close. It has a lot to do with brand new Apple rule that makes it mandatory for everyone to sell their books and content through iBook store.
- Open/closed. It gets fuzzy. There's mad competition out there, and if Apple is that bad, they'll fail.monospaced
- ernexbcn0
@Boz you can take your business elsewhere, who is forcing anyone to release apps for iOS?
- because dumbass, as a startup, you build for the market and there were no rules that forced them to do this when they released it on IOS.. this new anti-competitive rule is going into effect in June.. it's 100% wrong and there is no way you can predict what Apple will do tomorrow and if it will cause your startup to close.Boz
- they released it on IOS.. this new anti-competitive rule is going into effect in June.. it's 100% wrong and there is no way you can predict what Apple will do tomorrow and if it will cause your startup to close.Boz
- way you can predict what Apple will do tomorrow and if it will cause your startup to close.Boz
- dMullins0
^ TL:DR — Boz is angry because someone on the Internet has a different opinion than him.
- Boz0
@ernexbcn
Since you are completely retarded and don't understand how world works..
A startup doesn't have resources and capabilities of Apple when they start doing things. They won't necessarily look as great as Apple or other big company but what they compete with is in many cases, offering, the lower price they offer and many other things.
As their startup grows they get better designers, better UI guys etc etc and it becomes much more beautiful.
To kill startups because Apple CAN, is absolutely pathetic and retarded.
I get it.. you just can't see anything wrong with Apple's approach.. as long as Steve Jobs tells you it's magical. Everyone who closes and doesn't want to do it Apple's way deserves to be bankrupted.. I get it.. LOL.. stupid fanboys.
- Can you just reply without calling people retards? It doesn't help your case, man.monospaced
- monospaced0
Do I need to remind you that Apple's iOS and developer platform has opened up hundreds of thousands of opportunities for smaller developers? I mean, c'mon.
- most of them manage to design a half decent UI without stealing icons too.animatedgif
- Boz0
But just to throw a few links there so you can understand what's wrong:
http://gizmodo.com/5490310/its-t…
http://www.dailyfinance.com/2010…
http://www.washingtontimes.com/n…
http://www.readwriteweb.com/arch…
http://speirs.org/blog/2008/9/12…
http://www.naturalnews.com/00049…
http://www.networkworld.com/comm…
http://www.osnews.com/story/2342…
http://gigaom.com/2010/06/09/app…
http://www.tipb.com/2010/10/08/a…
I mean there's tons.. I can't be bothered to link more.. it's just one thing after another. Their business model and policies are anti-competitive, anti-consumer and monopolistic really.
- You're wrong though. It's just business and there is tons of lame competition. You're such a hatermonospaced
- Consumers love apple. Great products and software that lasts and works.monospaced
- hey guys, Boz can Google.dMullins
- animatedgif0
Nothing of value was lost though, it's not like they had a compelling product or anything. They just wanted to be a middleman and set up their own walled garden inside Apples walled garden.
Can't say I have any sympathy
- that's what business is.. there shouldn't be Apple telling you how to run your business... I don't get how some of you can't understand this.Boz
- understand this.Boz
- it's their store though, don't like it then develop for Android.animatedgif
- Boz0
- ernexbcn0
Boz stop calling people names, you keep opening stupid Apple hate threads this one about a company almost no one knew it even exists to try to make an idiotic point about who knows what.
Panic sold an MP3 player software for Mac before Apple released iTunes, and they have been doing fine selling Transmit and Coda and other software.
Don't put all your eggs in a single basket, that's a good lesson, and stop calling people names simply because they don't agree with you.
- ernexbcn0
"There shouldn't be Apple telling you how to run your business"
If you choose to work on Apple's devices you are bound to whatever changes or stuff they do with, if you don't want to be limited by that do something else, I can't believe you are even arguing about that.
- exactly... no OS company is going to do something that kills there own market.Amicus
- Boz0
@ernexbcn
no I call you names because your responses are idiotic but you have no issue telling me how I'm stupid and I'm losing patience.. your comments and examples are idiotic too.. MP3 player and ITunes.. what the fuck are you even comparing?
iOS situation is completely different because Apple didn't go and forced Panic's MP3 player in your case, to sell the music through Apple and give them 30% of their profit.. They didn't also have no rules about something, Panic made software and then Apple goes and forces them to give them piece of their profits by making it mandatory for Panic to use Apple's platform.
Jesus Christ.