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- monospaced0
Boz, if anything, Apple's behavior is only fostering competition. You've made that point over and over again, yet you still complain about their business model (that most everyone is copying, btw). Didn't Google just announce in-app purchase plans?
- There is no competition on iOS if Apple does it or wants to do it. All you can do is make a front end for their service but it's still their service. Competition = 0.Boz
- their service. 0 competition.Boz
- There are SO MANY other storefronts from other companies. Get over it.monospaced
- not really.. no one else can sell apps.. no one else can sell digital goods (mp3s, movies etc) but Apple etc... no competition if Apple does it.Boz
- tgqt0
I would bet anything that in the original terms it said that they have the right to change the terms at any time.
- Boz0
^ LOL how is forcing everyone to use your own service and give them money and taking them out of business fostering competition.. crazy way to look at it.
Google does it with huge difference.. you can distribute content, build your own stores, sell, eBooks independently or through your own websites, or you can distribute your apps independently, if you want to, on Android.. there is no mandatory requirement to use the service like there is on an Apple platform.
Google gives you options. YOu can make it better with Google's in-app payments or their other services for seamless experience but you have to abide by some rules (btw, Google doesn't change these rules in a whim like Apple does when they want money) or you can just do it your way. But they don't tell you how to run your business or try to kill you if you compete with them.
There's a HUGE difference and their models are NOTHING alike.
- SteveJobs0
if you don't mind an objective opinionhere, i think both sides of this discussion have merit, but i see some serious flaws in the aruments.
1) boz, your position should have been more thought out and better communicated. apple's business model isn't perfect, but it 'works' because of the ubiquity of their brand. so even an idiot who barely knows objective c can fake a few bucks from some played out meme from two years ago.
2) the opposition: please don't defend a large corporation, government or entity of any type or size with a 'love it or leave it' argument. please. just because something works, doesn't mean it can't work better. but if you disagree, prove it. don't just assert that someone should take their business elsewhere, it's not making a case for whomever you're defending nor is it contributing to the discussion in any meaningful way.
- You should hate each other for having let the other downjimbojones
- ESKEMA0
yeah, because Google is not kicking tethering apps from the marketplace, apps that were already there before carriers started to cry to Google about their very low profits.
Google will reveal itself also in time, don't be so blind. At least people know what to expect about Apple, Google on the other hand is continuosly riding their very thin line...
- monospaced0
It's fostering competition, Boz, because other companies want their cut and will open up their stores and business models to compete with Apple's. The part you have totally wrong is that Apple isn't forcing anyone to use them.
The competition that's fostered is EXACTLY what you're so happy about: Google and Android. Their options and lack of rules will, IF you're correct, make Apple obviously a greedy closed company. Now, if Google gets things right in this (because it is a competition that Apple fostered) then they'll be successful without getting any cut whatsoever. We'll have to wait and see.
- monospaced0
Boz, how can you say, "no one else can sell apps.. no one else can sell digital goods (mp3s, movies etc) but Apple etc... "
We know this isn't true. The other sellers are the competition. Chill.
- You've started so many threads about Apple's competition that it baffles me how you can say thismonospaced
- jimbojones0
eh
amazon sells mp3 and ebooks
netflix sells movies
android and that retarded nokia ovi thing sell apps
- Boz0
Obviously you know what I meant.. nobody else can have an app store. Amazon can't sell their MP3s and videos on iOS platform.
Basically, anything that Apple does and profits from they make sure no one else can compete with on iOS platform and those who build apps are forced to use Apple's services when buildings apps for iOS despite the fact that someone else can have a better of cheaper solution/APIs.
- jimbojones0
apple can't sell apps to android platform
- monospaced0
Why does this bother you anyway? I mean, I know why it bothers you, but, if you're SO convinced that Apple is evil and that Google is a bastion of hope and glistening open light, then Apple will pay for their horrible, terrible mistakes in death. I mean, you've said repeatedly that Apple's iPhone and iOS are absolute shit, so it shouldn't worry you that other media distributors have other, better options. I don't agree with you that the alternatives are better to Apple's, but if you're so convinced you should be able to sleep better knowing that Apple will die shortly.
- Boz0
it's not technical aspects that bother me, it's not hardware either.. they make it beautiful..
it's their anti-competitive nature and why they shouldn't be supported in general. They are absolutely the worst thing that can happen to us in terms of competition, technology progress and openness.
Unfortunately they have grown due to people's vanity aspect and the pretty design of their products and have significant influence in the market today.. This is why they bother me.. if they were at 2% I wouldn't give a flying **** about them..
- Boz0
SteveJobs nailed it in a single sentence. The fact that Apple makes money and is successful doesn't mean they are not evil. In fact, the most evil people/companies today in our regular life are the richest.. Should tell you something right?
- jimbojones0
goooooooooooooooooooooooooooogle
- inteliboy0
What about Nintendo, Sony and MS with their "closed" platforms?
Apple seem to rub you the wrong way because they make computers. And it seems you really do love computers judging by your workspace. All a little close to your heart?
- It's more because he's a flash developer and is scared of being made obsoleteanimatedgif
- ESKEMA0
Boz, I would love your opinion on the tethering apps being kicked out of the Marketplace. I really do.
- what do you mean kicked, they just didn't want to be there.jimbojones
- http://mashable.com/…ESKEMA
- jimbojones0
what do you want US to do boz? to recognize that you are the mastermind who can see past the evil scheme and we are a bunch of fucktards who will jumps right after steve jobs from the 15th floor? that we shouldn't buy any apple hardware nor apps from the appstore (thus bringing many many more startups to fall)? what do you want?
- Boz0
Game console model is not necessarily good either but the thing is.. I don't care about what platform I buy the game for.. It's just games.. it's entertainment.. it doesn't affect my life, my work, my daily computing. Actually you could say that the model for game consoles is better to be closed due to cheating and hacking in games but this approach is awful for every day computing. Stuff we need every day and then making it so you have to buy new hardware on top of it.
Console entry price is also very small. $200-$250 is really nothing.. you can rent games and so on..
It's not really the same at all so there's less reason to be against it.
Also, Microsoft or Sony won't take your racing game down because they released new version of Forza 4. ;)
- iOS is for daily computing?inteliboy
- yes.. I use iPhone and iPad in addition to Android everyday really.Boz
- Actually Sony will stop you releasing your 2D game because "PS3 is about being next generation"animatedgif