Help Canada not get screwed by our ISPs
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- nb0
^ Read a little further on the site and you'll see the following:
"The CRTC regulates rates and quality of service issues for wholesale services. The CRTC regulates the relationship between these resellers and the cable and telephone companies who own the infrastructure needed to provide Internet access, in order to ensure that Canadians have access to a range of Internet providers."
So, to summarize: "The CRTC does not set prices for consumers. The CRTC sets the price for wholesalers."
What competition is there when all the resellers are forced to pay the same price? If you're setting the price for wholesale, you're essentially setting the price for consumers, and the CRTC knows it. These guys aren't morons.
- abettertomorrow0
Unfortunately signing petitions is one of the least effective ways to get peoples attention. Better would be to call or e-mail your Congressional representative directly.
Barring that, I suggest people get out on the streets and protest like the Egyptians.
- actually it has worked quite well for openmedia.ca... got a response from our PM in less than a weekhorton
- nb0
"The CRTC does not regulate rates, quality of service issues or business practices of Internet service providers as they relate to retail customers. This is because there is enough competition in the market that retail customers can shop around for service packages."
- From the CRTC web site. http://www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/info_s…The CRTC is always getting involved in areas they aren't supposed to be. Currently we've got a right-wing govt, which you'd think would be trying to shut down the CRTC, but instead they bow down to big business. I wish conservatives would act like conservatives.
- That is acting conservative...bowin... to big business. Where have you been?:)abettertomorrow
- ETM0
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I am of two minds on this. Where it's true, it's only true on your overage amount. You still have to get through your 60 to 170 gb cap (depending on plan) first, then you get the $2/gb rape.If you have the 25gb <5mb plans then get off the Internet anyway granny.
On the plus side, it's till cheaper than smartphone data. Those are premium, imported bytes.
- betelgeuse0
"Also, for those who find this amusing, countries and ISPs world wide, including the U.S. are watching to see how this plays out to see if they can implement similar policy."
Except I doubt the U.S. government will provide any support or help to it's consumers. Where as the Harper government knows that letting this go through will make them look bad, and can't take heat like this right now.
- what is Harper planning to do? I take it this still isn't passedDodecahedron
- It could be done without gov intervention if all he major players agree to it and not undermine one another. Colusion.ETM
- Colusion...ETM
- scrap_paper0
This is all a big money game from the larger ISP's (Rogers, Bel). They just want to squeeze more money out of the consumer and force us to use their media delivery methods.
Overall it costs them NOTHING more to offer no caps and faster internet speeds but they see a financial model that allows them to take advantage.
The CTRC are a bunch of bought and paid for idiots.
- ETM0
The more I hear, the more am confused. No final decision will be made on this until March 1, but some ISPs are already implementing policy like its done. Also, this seems more as a ruling for secondary ISPs to pay back their "fair share" to the primary networks that they resell. In theory, the big ISPs should not even be passing this on to their own direct customers. They're just using it as a smokescreen to to impose tighter limits on customers while making the CRTC the bad guy.
Also, for those who find this amusing, countries and ISPs world wide, including the U.S. are watching to see how this plays out to see if they can implement similar policy.
- ETM0
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Telus saying they don't plan to implement the overage fees is against my first thoughts on them, but their DSL is so slow, nobody would exceed any reasonable limit anyway. I don't think it would draw many new customers from cable, if that is what they hope.
- Naygon0
@ ETM Shaw has more to gain from this then you might think. This leverages their "Shaw on Demand" model which can charge you the same if not higher price for a movie on demand then what Netflix charges for a month of service.
- ETM0
Those of you using smaller, independent ISPs may not enjoy the benefits of lower prices anymore. The CRTC ruling also means that small ISPs that buy bandwidth from large ones for resale, also have to pay additional bandwidth fees back at only a 15% discount, leaving slim margins.
- abettertomorrow0
No free lunch kids...
- Just think about Egyptabettertomorrow
- thanks for the 2 cents!
betelgeuse
- i_monk0
Because of this my bandwidth cap will be dropping from 200GB/month to 25GB/month.
- Dodecahedron0
first world problem?
- Won't be first world for long, with shitty 90s style interwebzmikotondria3
- Julesvm0
@ monNom: I watch basically all my TV / movies on netflix and between me and my girlfriend we average about 120 gigs / month. My ISP is offering overage 'insurance up to 200 / month, but it's going to cost me... so basically my plan just went up about $15/month for shittier service.... thanks canada.
- tOki0
From what I understand, and correct me if I'm wrong, but the cost to an ISP per gb is only a few cents if that...data is not a physical object, the only cost involved is the initial setup and maintenance of the system. Often it's the national telco that's to blame for these costs, since they charge the other operators fees in order to use their networks of fibre/phone lines. Put simply they own the infrastructure, and ISP's have to pass the costs on..
- monNom0
I went in to shaw yesterday to find out just how much bandwidth I was using. I've got two users on my account, both of us spend too much time online, watch youtube, listen to streaming audio, play games, etc. All that, and we've never exceeded 15gig a month (shaw's LITE package limit --which I switched too, saving me about $15/mo).
Now, we don't do peer to peer sharing, and we don't download HD movies. But I bet there's a good chunk of people out there that use the internet just like me and are probably overpaying for service they don't even need. Looking at my usage, 200GB seems crazy.
If you don't already know, look into how much bandwidth you actually use. It was an eye opener for me.
- as it turns out LITE = 56k on average... so that sucksmonNom
- Julesvm0
yeah... it's real