No kids, you can work weekends!
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- Boz0
@omahadesigns..
right.. the keyword is "your kids".. they are not my kids.. if you love them and need to spend time with them and take care of them, then quit the job and and let someone else who can put in as much work as others take your place and you go be stay at home mom or dad.
There's nothing wrong with that.. That would be fair. And I understand people love their kids. They are important to some people as offspring, to continue their bloodline, to bring them happiness.. that's all awesome.
- so have kids as payback, idiot.omahadesigns
- no
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- MSTRPLN0
The worst was the co-worker that was on maternity leave for a year, came back to the agency for a few months, and then went back on maternity leave.
- omahadesigns0
^ like I said, life's short, but people need to work too.
YOU DON'T GET IT.
- I get it just fine.. you don't get it, that it's not great to drop shit on people without kids so you can have fun with yours. It's a douchebag thing to do..Boz
- douchebag thing to do..Boz
- SO DONT DO IT, WHAT YOU GONNA DO?omahadesigns
- "dont do it"??? And not meet deadlines? Get fired? Sounds like a good plan, moron.iCanHasQBN
- monospaced0
I want kids so that I can get a break too.
- from work that is...I know kids are a ton of work in themselves, and that's where I'd love to focus attentionmonospaced
- bjladams0
both my business partner and i each have families and make them a priority. we dont take on any projects that will take us away from them. when we hire on freelancers and such, they get paid for their hours and getting work in on time. we believe that you should only get paid for the work you do, and it's not right to have any excuses to expect others to always carry your load. i dont think that the people you work with understand that responsibility to feed the kids is just as important as playing with them.
- omahadesigns0
SO LIFE'S NOT FAIR. GET SOME KIDS OR SHUT THE FUCK UP.
LIFE'S SHORT, PEOPLE LOVE THEIR KIDS MORE THAN WORKING ON SOME STUPID CORPORATE JOB.
- jamble0
Sounds like most of you childless wonders are either working in an agency/freelancing with no real discipline in which case that's not parents fault. If you don't like it, say something.
I've got a young son and I put in the required hours and effort and it's insulting to be lumped into some sort slacker category.
- so...Boz is making major generalizations about parents, so it's not right to make generalizations about non-parentsmonospaced
- non-parents.monospaced
- I never said, all parents.. I just said it's a lame trend I've noticed with quite a few people.Boz
- Boz0
I work with agencies and clients.. I dont' work as a full time employee.. this stuff is actually present even if you run your own your own thing.
I find it very disrespectful when someone expects me to stay up day and night to finish project for them so they can have time to be with their kids, while I'm being rushed and pressured to deliver the project by a specific time.
Not sure if you follow what I'm saying.. this happens VERY often with clients and agencies and people (project managers and so on) with kids.
And even worse, they keep pressuring me, calling, panicking that they need stuff next day for example, only for me to find out that the deadline was Monday (instead of that Thursday), but that project manager for example has to spend time with kids, so it was totally ok for him/her to expect that I won't sleep for 2 days so he can go have a great time with his family.
This didn't happen once, this happens very often as I said.
I do it, and don't make a fuss because I understand that it means to them, but It's lame.
- locustsloth0
Your beef is with your boss, not your coworkers. If your boss had the balls (or lack of compassion, however you want to say it) to tell the employees who are parents to stay late or don't come back, the parents would stay out of the same drive that makes them want to go home. They want to take care of their kids (staying = financial, going = emotional in this scenario).
i wouldn't expect someone without kids to understand, but parenting, most times, equates to being a second job. a job you are rarley off the clock for and that you can virtually never quit. Thankfully, it can be the most rewarding job you'll ever have.
- also, i second detritus's notion that it's a good thing you're not breedinglocustsloth
- read my response above. It's not a boss issue. I don't have a "boss".Boz
- Boz0
what's wrong with some people here.. can't you have a normal conversation.. you have to start insulting?
very nice.
- can you not see how YOUR tone is itself insulting to people with children?locustsloth
- what tone? that a lot of people with kids drop shit on other people so they can have more times with their kids?Boz
- I see no tone. I see a bunch of idiots with kids rallying to the call for no reason.dMullins
- moniker0
Yeah but you non-breeders get to sleep in when you want to, and prolly have more sex as a result of not having little eyes and ears around.
Give us this one you selfish prick.
- actually, we have to get to work early to cover for those people dropping their children off at schoolmonospaced
- but yeah, the sex and undisturbed sleep is a + for being singlemonospaced
- neowe0
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- nb0
I think there are two completely separate arguments going on here.
To the parents in this thread: are you saying that it's OK to expect someone without kids to put in extra work, or cover for you, or work over time so that you can take care of your children?
- juhls0
Makes sense to go home to kids. You get paid for a certain number of hours. If you consistently work more hours than someone else, you should get paid more than them (like overtime). Otherwise speak to your boss, or leave the place. I know it's easier said than done, but it's not the co-worker that is your problem right now. It's you not taking action, and the bosses who don't know how to distribute work fairly and pay employees properly.
An a different note, smokers always get more breaks than non-smokers. According to various statistics, cigarette smokers work an hour less a day than nonsmokers, which totals more than a year over a lifetime. And most workplaces prolong this behaviour by not doing anything about it.
The two above situations are not necessarily related, but my point is that there are lots of issues like this in the workplace. Ultimately, if your boss doesn't do anything about it, and it really bothers you *that* much, you're going to have to make a decision.
- Mr_Mxyzptlk0
I agree with Boz.
I feel it's incredibly unfair and offensive that he should be expected to work long hours just because he is a homosexual.
- I wonder how long it will take for everyone to grow up on the whole "you're gay" joke. Stale.nb
- I actually am trying to get a scientific study underway to estimate that. However, i work with a lot of parents...Mr_Mxyzptlk
- I see what you did here...duckofrubber
- Major lolz.dMullins
- Continuity0
tl;dr, for the most part, but the simple fact is it sounds like your boss has no respect for the notion of work/life balance, something we should all have a right to.
- locustsloth0
i suggest making your boundaries clearer. Let people know from the get-go that you're not gonna pick up their slack. Make sure you have a paper/email trail of what these people are expected to do and when they're expected to do it. If you're in the position, let them know that they'll be let go or not hired again if they fall short of your expectations.
Sounds like one of two things are happening for you. 1) You are encountering an inordinate number of extremely selfish people who happen to be parents or 2) your personality (if it's anything like what you've exhibited here) is such that regular people don't mind dumping work on you. This isn't really an insult, it's just a fact that if you like a co-worker, you are more likely to value their opinion and less likely to create additional work for them. If your coworker is not endearing to you whatsoever, their opinion has no value, so you feel free-er to do fuckall to them.When it's all said and done, yeah, kids are more important than work. Period. If whomever's employing me doesn't like my priorities, fire me.
- juhls0
Also, I get that you don't have a boss and you're venting, but being a parent is like a second job. They're as busy as you are, if not more busy, and you should talk to someone about getting paid for all the hours you're putting in. Like the project manager. Parents don't get money for being parents.
Don't you have some kind of billing/tracking system? Or are you getting paid fine, but want to complain about hours anyway?
- bjladams0
@nb
i have resolve to be responsible to my work as that's how i feed my kids. i dont take on so much work that i cant spend time with them though. part of being an adult is learning to balance life and understand commitment to both family and work. expecting others to cover your base is not acceptable. there's also a difference between running your kid to the dr cause he fell out of a tree vs. leaving work to plant daisies in your front yard. main point, kids are awesome, but part of parenting is teaching them about responsibility.