Design to the pixel!
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- PonyBoy
How hard is this concept??
I realize you're from the world of 'print'... ... but if you're going to turn in PSD's and expect a nice clean cut site... ... design @ 72dpi or at least take your 300dpi pile of shit and convert TO THE PIXEL so I don't have to guess what size you really want your graphics to be when i go to cut them... ...if it was 2002 or earlier... I might forgive you...
*shortened breathes into a paperbag
- kpl0
*hides the iPhone 4
- cannonball19780
*starts swinging arms in punching motion involuntarily*
They did what?
- SoulFly0
Just uncheck "resample image" and the pixel dimension will stay the same as you convert the file to low-res, under image size.
- PonyBoy0
*sigh...
... stop w/explanations of 'what to do'... I know what to do... :)... I'm just annoyed as fuck that a 'web studio' hands off files like this.
- PonyBoy0
GET YOUR FUCKING PITCHFORKS AND JOIN ME, DAMNIT!
- tOki0
I once recieved some creative for some banners from a large agency for a large client.
Anyway, they had created everything in photoshop, and then created a indesign file with layered tiffs.
Each frame was a 300dpi tiff with every frame as a layer in each file. They'd just hidden the layers/frames they didn't need. The result?
7.5gb that had to be delivered on a DVD from 3 blocks away.
I know I know...
- SoulFly0
sorry for my ignorance, but isn't it the developer's job to figure out what to do with the template and what's the best size it should be converted to, based on web standards?
Maybe you want us to slice it and do the css as well?- dude... I'm merely complaining that a company that says they 'specialize' in web design hand off files that aren't ready for outputPonyBoy
- do you expect the printer to prepare your work?tOki
- output... and if you want to take on 'guessing' their final size based on print-pieces... you're a fool of a businessmanPonyBoy
- actually it is not the devs job to do that. you are wrong.cannonball1978
- PonyBoy0
It is NOT a developer's job to 'guess' the final size of objects for a website... that shit belongs on the pixel for the appropriate output...
... I've already gone back and forth a few times w/comments like 'you know - I didn't envision the logo being that small'... and... 'Let's go ahead and make that nav bigger'...
... no no no... I'm in production mode - that shit should have been figured out up front... ... if you can't design correctly for the appropriate output... YOU ARE LAZY for not learning how...
... it's not the developer's job to guess, Soul.
- PonyBoy0
And then there's the flipside of it all...
... when I'm designing (accurate to the pixel) and I hand it off to the developer who for some reason CAN'T output what is provided w/dead-accuracy...
- SoulFly0
Well, I understand Ponyboy's point of view, and sure, it is not effective not to do the job right from the beginning, but people need to have patience. A lot of us print designers are just now making the jump into web and we are used to making graphics in inches and metrics, and in CMYK. If we don't send the templates quickly and hope for the best, the clients and bosses will start to think that we don't know what we are doing. That's why we rely on the developers to fix it.
- monospaced0
The world of print has to deal with content in all kinds of fucked up ways and designers in that world have to spend time adapting it (copy and images) and it's just part of it. I'll admit, like SoulFly pointed out, I don't produce final web content, but it is my responsibility to design websites. I do my best to get it as close to the actual size as possible, but in the end there is a disconnect between us and the developers. I will even hand off InDesign files sometimes and they work wonders with them. I guess what I'm saying, PonyBoy is just do your best to work through it and try to make it better the next time. It's just part of the job. Cheers.
- PonyBoy0
patience is fine and dandy when we're kids sitting in class awaiting for others to catch up...
... this is business... and I have other business... ... will the company pay me for the extra time wasted on their shit while I have other work to do?... even though they've already set a deadline and price w/their client (I'm talking about Agency / Studio work here... 'specialists' in the field)...
... patience shouldn't be an 'issue' here - what the agency 'should' do is hire someone to get their files prepped for output if they're not sure - HIRE ME! Hell - I'll do it... fast too... but there's an extra step of approvals (requiring time to be added to the schedule that's already short to begin with)
But... don't tell me everything is ready-to-go, have me sign a contract only to find out everything is not ready to go... ... that's just silly?... and rather unprofessional.
- I talk about this stuff up front. So I'm a high-maintenance a-hole, but I give fair warning. ;)gramme
- setting prices beforehand - that I agree is not right. I always take updated estimates based on extra work done.SoulFly
- that's why I'm annoyed, Soul... we set a price weeks ago - it would have probably helped if I had mentioned that :)PonyBoy
- gramme0
I usually design sites in InDesign using a point-to-pixel setup. Been doing this for about 3 years. Seems to work pretty well. Webkins often ask me to convert to Photoshop. I tell them I'll design it in InDesign regardless, so either I'll pull it over into Photoshop or they will. They almost always decide to take my ID files, because I'm passing the bill on to the client anyway and it's just more paid time for the devvers.
It's like trapping for print files. I'd rather have the experts do it.
- if you're clear about that up-front... I'm completely fine w/your methodPonyBoy
- (as you mentioned above) :)PonyBoy
- I do the same.monospaced
- BonSeff0
why don't you spend less time bitching on a design board and resize them shits..
oh shnap
j/k fucker
- inteliboy0
I think if you're in the position of mocking up web templates, you should at least know the basics of how your file should be setup - ie. for ~1024x768 screen size.
By SoulFly's logic, if a web guy takes on some print jobs and sends them off to the printer... in low res 72dpi jpgs, it's the printers fault for being "lazy".
- ********0
All I hear is excuses of why your ineptitude is someone else's problem to figure out. Don't cop an attitude in defense of your inadequacies. I see this all the time and I sure wish it would stop. Be a man and take the time to learn the medium you supposedly are getting your foot into. On the flip side, how would you think of us if we sent a print job to you at 72 ppi RGB file to you and said "It's for you to get it done correctly"
Be responsible. Im with you PonnyBoy!
- brandon_phillip0
Or you get web-tards in your company who want 300dpi artwork from 72dpi pixel perfect designs. Not saying it cannot be done - but once you have everything in PSD and layers merged, effects mashed into every layer, etc. it makes it a bit challenging. Thus resulting in an all night Photoshop/Illustrator jam session to get what this guy wants. Only to find out that he wants it for a 'screenshot' for print media. Correct me if I am wrong but the iPhone, iPad, Kindle, the internet, mobile technology and many other digital devices are killing off printed news and advertising... or am I mad.