Death of Flash
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- armsbottomer0
@spraycan
i know many people that share your opinion, and while its entirely valid to take that stance, i personally don't agree. i use to hate languages that i just didn't understand, until i started playing around with them a bit more (i'm now quite glad i gave them a chance). however, there are instances when i find java is the right tool for a job, and appreciate it.perhaps you might consider giving languages outside of your comfort zone a shot, you might just learn something new.
cheers.
- BusterBoy0
Steve Jobs is more of an arrogant cock than I ever thought he was. The cost of re-engineering and adopting new technologies (that don't exist yet I might add) far outweighs any potential loss to Apple by supporting Flash.
He's turned into a bigger cunt than anyone at Google or Microsoft.
PS I own 2 Macpros, a MBP, an iPhone and 3 iPods and fucked if I'm going to fork out money for that iPad piece of garbage.
- BusterBoy0
@peterh Just proves a point how fucken arrogant they have become. A lot of Mac people are getting mighty pissed off with them.
#ephix re-engineering...the cost of having to convert the millions of sites from flash to something else...possibly html5 but who the fuck knows where/when these supposedly new technologies will appear
- imho - Apple don't "owe" the (original) core users (designers) much. They're a company, making profits. They're Microsoft and they're General Motors.Peter
- ...and they are General Motors. Just because you bought all the Apple stuff doesn't mean you're entitled to something more than a personal opinion.Peter
- ...a personal opinion.
Sucks, but, hopefully something to consider before buying the next must-have -anything-.Peter - ah i seeephix
- tOki0
With the improvements that are being made to the flash platform by adobe and the general community (remember this is where paper vision came from) there is absolutely no reason its going die anytime soon.
Its freaking powerful at a visual and web application level - but requires good programming like any real language. With the introduction of flex, it has become powerful at the desktop level as well. The problem is there are too many amateurs out there using it to make garbage...the same goes for other creative software as we all know a "client whose nephew has photoshop and could do it for 15 bucks".
It's more expensive to develop yes, but vastly more superior. Give me a call when you can develop this in HTML:
http://www.verbatim.jp/senshuken…
Procedurally generated creatures that fight in dynamically lit 3D, with AI and all. A feat, it even runs well on Firefox on my freaking mac. The guy who coded this doesnt use pv3d either, it's his own personal kick ass one not available to the public.
The truth is too, as long as consortium controls HTML - things will move slowly and painfully. Let's face it, the big players are never really going to be friends. At least with adobe if they want something possible in flash they can simply do it :)
- there is a papervision.js demo that might handle this just with canvas, and browser makers are working on WebGL.Pupsipu
- that verbatim thing is awesome
Not_Just_Another
- Stugoo0
without reading the last 4 pages of this post, I'm only going to chuck in my 2bob by saying: What concerns me most about adobe in general is the fact that they keep adding new features to CS, making the programs bigger and more unstable than refining what they have and making it better, faster and stronger.
- GeorgesII0
Are you fuckn kidding me,
did job really say that?
“About Adobe: They are lazy, Jobs says. They have all this potential to do interesting things but they just refuse to do it. They don’t do anything with the approaches that Apple is taking, like Carbon. Apple does not support Flash because it is so buggy, he says. Whenever a Mac crashes more often than not it’s because of Flash. No one will be using Flash, he says. The world is moving to HTML5.”
http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2…- Up next: Satoru Iwata Power-glove slapping Sony's Sir Howard StringerPeter
- Raniator0
If someone would like to rewrite beatport.com into HTML then I'll buy an iPad.
- HTML 5 I meant...Raniator
- I can't work out why they decided to build it with Flash in the first placeNightshade
- because it makes sense to build in Flash, more so than any other web language.jhey
- Actually I've met the guy who started Beatport and he described it more as a case of starting with Flash and being trapped (i.e., not wanting to rock the boat w/ existing customer base)ukit
- trapped (i.e., porting over entire infrastructure, not wanting to rock the boat w/ existing customer base)ukit
- After all, the site is a money making machine, but it's clunky and datedukit
- BIGGESTDOGINTHEWORLD0
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Flash won't die any time soon, but 70% of the time it's only used for video and that part of it will die. Which is pretty fucking sweet
- BIGGESTDOGINTHEWORLD0
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and seriously fuck Adobe for wasting time on dumb shit like 3D in Photoshop when that fucking program only has 16 levels of anti-aliasing and linear colour space gradients. Fucking amateur hour
- spraycan0
@Stugoo, i have the same opinion on this. they dont work the core anymore, they fucking lost it. it's blatant the appli runs like a big cow on amphets.
- GeorgesII0
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I demand SILENCE
- Bullitt0
http://9elements.com/io/projects…
Behold. shitness....IE: HTML5 designed by developers for designers.
- blaw0
From the Washington Post:
"Adobe: Flash Apps Will Run On The iPad, Even Full Screen At Some Point"
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp…
- WrappedInBooks0
Does anyone think this is an effort squelch Google's efforts of world domination via advertising and help Apple get a leg up.
If the ads aren't viewable on Apple's products, who's to say that they can't resell that ad space through their own advertising arm...it wouldn't be too hard to substitute content. Google is talking about doing that with billboards in StreetView.
- must_dash0
Sorry for the long post, but...
I've built Flash web sites for the last 10 years or so, more than often completely made from Flash. Some flash stuff I've seen chugs along on my Mac Pro, so it is never going to work well on something with a lot less power...e.g The iPad...
But I must point out that only 10% of people use a mac, and possibly 10% of those use an iPad... so that works out at 1%, meanwhile Flash penetration is at about 98.8% so more people don't have the Flash plug-in anyway... I've not included the iPhone in that as it doesn't suit the device...
Why doesn't Flash suit the iPhone? Well the beauty behind Flash was the feedback you had with your mouse, rollovers that changed text, or opened sections of a site, or revealed navigation... How would that translate onto iPhone/iPad? it wouldn't... dragging your finger around scrolls the pages, not a mouse pointer... So a lot of the stuff I like about Flash wouldn't be used on there anyway.
The good old days of Flash have gone also... the sites I still think are great, is not how Flash is used now. E.g the original Frost* site by de-construct, or the Spin site by Hi-res... these days all the Flash stuff seems to be bloated video playing sites... It is like going back to using videodiscs at school or a Don Bluth game where you just participate at key points of the site.
In my opinion Flash and interaction design was always at its best when people were leaning forward and interacting in real time with Flash sites, now they tend to be lean back, and let the visuals wash over them. The problem is that however big the studio is, their video work looks amateur compared to broadcast and cinema. So you get the worst of both worlds... and end up with just piss poor telly.
HTML5 or jQuery or mooTools are rapidly getting to the point where they allow for interaction design without digging through version and browser hell of javascript compatibility... and they allow a lot of the features I've always used in Flash.
So sorry Adobe but unless you bring Flash back to the designers and stop throwing video, 3D capabilties etc at it, rather than fixing what doesn't work with it... then I'm out.
- man, i totally agree 100%.showpony
- yeah only Mac users have iPhones... OH HANG ON!BIGGESTDOGINTHEWORLD
- I never said that.must_dash
- you did "10% of people use a mac, and possibly 10% of those use an iPad... so that works out at 1%"
BIGGESTDOGINTHEWORLD - that would assume that ipod users don't have a home computermust_dash
- I think there are a lot of generalizations in your opinions. There are good and bad interactive Flash sites and good and bad flash video-heavy sites.CyBrain
- and bad video-heavy sites.CyBrain
- utopian0
GFY Steve Jobs
- ukit0
haha I like this link Georges posted
http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2…
Steve Jobs on Google: "This don’t be evil mantra: It’s bullshit.”
On Adobe: "They are lazy. No one will be using Flash."
- must_dash0
All my other non adobe software works beautifully, yet flash and photoshop etc... get more sluggish!