Death of Flash
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- armsbottomer0
i think flash lends itself better to certain forms of online game/interactive development. sure there's 03D which looks great, but as much as i love js, i'd rather work with the flash ide on large scale projects. as3 sucks (there's too much ceremony to writing it, like java) compared to js (which is just a beautiful, lovely language) but having a library/timeline/etc can often be helpful.
as far as flex and flash projects that use databases, i'm hoping that dies out soon so we can see more people espousing tools like couchDB, which ties in perfectly with javascript.
- chrisRG0
The iPad provides the ultimate browsing experience?
http://www.theflashblog.com/?p=1…
- designbot0
Flash isn't going anywhere. It's too deeply rooted all over the web (For example, 75% of all web video is Flash) and even if Adobe made no future enhancements to it at all, it would take a long time for it to disappear.
Flash = win
Adobe needs to refocus it's attention of Flash to designers though, not developers.
- 74LEO0
- Flash will be available for iphone soon.74LEO
- where did you hear that?designbot
- http://labs.adobe.co…74LEO
- Crazy, looks like it's an initiative of Adobe and not Apple which would explain the lack of Flash on the iPad.designbot
- Still no Flash for iphone on web though eh? The app things seems secondary.designbot
- dskz0
Why they hatin?
- 74LEO0
Good read:
http://labs.adobe.com/technologi…
- armsbottomer0
@spraycan
i used to think javascript sucked too, but then i learned how to use it correctly and saw its beauty.also, java is too much for anyone. sorting a hashmap in a language shouldn't involve as much production as it does in java.
maybe i'm just hate java because i've been experimenting with dynamic languages that have java wrappers. for example, in clojure ( a lisp wrapper for java, difficult to get at first but i'm trying to learn it now):
java:
public class Person {
private String firstName;
private String lastName;
public Person( String firstName, String lastname){
this.firstName = firstName;
this.lastName = lastName;
}public String getFN(){
return firstName;
}public String getLN(){
return lastName;
}public void setFN(String firstName){
this.firstName = firstName;
}public void setLN(String lasttName){
this.lastName = lastName;
}}
lisp:
(defstruct person :first-name :last-name)
personally, i'd rather write a one line than a shit load. javascript has many similarities to lisp, and its ease of use is one of them. so i reiterate, fuck java/as3.
- just because it's a dynamic language, doesn't mean it's not a REAL programming language.armsbottomer
- it is not , it can't control streams, it doesnt implements sockets, it is just a script for popping stuff out of a brownser..spraycan
- brownser, many people try to push the boundaries of it but theres no point in making oranges out of applesspraycan
- they are called "script kiddies", lolspraycan
- acescence0
correct me if i'm wrong here, but only windows has hardware acceleration for video. flash video on mac still sucks pretty hard. hopefully that can change.
I don't agree that they need to focus on designers though, if they're to be taken seriously as a development platform, they need to work hard to build a strong dev community. I read a great blog post the other day, i'll try to dig it up. anyway, the gist was that developing for as3 is frustrating because the community is 99% amateurs that have no idea how to program. think of any simple problem in, for instance, python, do a quick google search and find your answer. do the same for as3 and wade thru pages and pages of misinformed crap and people taking shots in the dark.
- This comment is so correct that everyone else should just stop commenting...dMullins
- The interface for flash is awful. This is probably what needs improvement to make designers and developers happy.ayport
- happy.ayport
- The IDE? LOL. Most serious Flash programmers don't even fuck with the Flash IDE.dMullins
- exactly my point, so why is the ide so shittyayport
- that's because as3 is a pseudo computer language, a bastardized thing.spraycan
- fyoucher10
Flash for the iPhone >>>>
http://paulirish.com/work/gordon…
- SteveJobs0
armsbottomer, no offense, but that's not a very good argument, especially since you're still learning java. microsoft and adobe have both moved their technologies and respective languages in this direction for a good reason. i'm not going to go into a full-on argument on the many reasons why an object-oriented language is far better than something like javascript for games and applications. i'll leave that for you to research, but suffice to say, almost all big companies understand the value, and have invested a substantial amount of time building massive libraries and frameworks around these technologies. it's not going to go away, or simple be replaced by something simpler that a novice developer can pick up in an afternoon.
- kingsteven0
- < interval >kingsteven
- that jp one is mad as you like !
Excellent work, them..mikotondria3
- ifeltdave0
the death of flash has been talked about for years. just like any other tool / software package, flash will evolve as user needs / developer needs change. flash has more uses than just video players on sites, so an HTML5 video tag isn't going to kill a plugin thats installed on basically every computer in the world.
every computer except an ipad that is.
- armsbottomer0
@SteveJobs
first, i'm still learning lisp, i know java.
second, i agree with your statement.
third, in my original argument (if you reread it) i said that as3 WAS better for game development.its just that i despise the fact that people consider languages that have been poorly implemented in the past (javascript), to be shitty languages in the present.
so just to clarify, we are both making the same argument.
- acescence0
aviary is doing some cool flash app stuff, check out their new browser-based audio editor...
- "browser-based"
DIE DIE DIEi_monk - this really excites me as an old director audio nerd, flash music production community/tools like hob-nox may yet change the world.kingsteven
- path of flash.kingsteven
- "browser-based"
- ibye0
- jhey0
- whatsup0
say
You say
You say
You say
You sayYou say one for the trouble
Two for the time
Come on girls let rock that [whistle]Fab Five Freddie told me everybody's high
DJ's spinnin' are savin' my mind
Flash is fast
Flash is fast
Flash is fast
Flash is cool
Francois sez fas, Flashe' no doYou say one for the trouble
Two for the time
Come on girls let rock thatGrandmaster, cut faster
Grandmaster, cut faster
Grandmaster, cut, cut, cut faster
Grandmaster, Grandmaster, cut fasterHey, hey, hey
Everybody say one
One, Flash one time
Everybody say two
Two, Flash two times
Say three
Three, Flash three times
Say four
Four, Flash four timesMelle Mel
Taurus is my zodiac signMr Ness
Scorpio, my name is right here
Aquarius
And King Creole
Pieces
Cowboy
Virgo
And Gra- gra- gra- gra- Grandmaster Flash cuts so on
His zodiac sign is CapricornWhy don't you tell me a story?
Please tell me a story too
You know, I think I'll tell you the story of my life
You tell me!
I wanna hear too
I was born in North Dakota a long time ago, see
And now I'm lucky enough to be here with you
Yeah, but what happened in between?
Yeah, what else happened?
Well, it went pretty much like this.Oh yeah!
Woo
[Whistle]
Woo
Ha, ha, ha
ch-ka-bow
Oah, oah
Aha, ha, ha, ha
Hoo!The official adventures of, Flash
Ohhh, ha, ha, ha
Hey, hey, everybody say ho (ho)
Say ho, ho (ho, ho)
Say disco (disco)
Say party (party)
All the ladies,
All the in the house say ow (ow)
Say ow (ow)Everybody come on
Say somebody, anybody, everybody scream! (Ooooo)Hey bro I got somethin' that'll blow ya mind!
Ha, ha, ha, ha
[Party noises]
Get ya hands off that girl!
Creole, Creole!Flash is
Flash is
Flash is
Flash is
Flash is
Flash is
Owww!
- partdeux0
flash sites. boom. dead.
- partdeux0
think of how much data would be used to download flash content on a mobile device... hence why I think it'll never go mobile
- this makes no sense. optimization is a huge part of any flash devs job. most things i build are < 200KB landing pages 20-30 KB loader.kingsteven
- (with a 20KB loader) Even the QBN homepage is 250K. If you're talking advertising, video embeds etc. It's more of a performance issue.kingsteven
- performance issue, but we'll have 1Ghz 4G iPhones by the end of the year, that will be (faster at browsing than most desktops).kingsteven