Death of Flash
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- plash0
nah. but you know who is going bye bye... Steve jobs
- feel0
hey, idk if you guys have posted it yet, but youtube and vimeo have a HTML5 beta thing goin on:
(click on the Switch to HTML5 player)It works fine, a little buggy, but it's working!
I'm not sure how its gonna be for flash animators to publish/animate stuff on html5 thou.
- here is how http://paulirish.com…
not made by Adobe. Makes Adobe look like morons.Pupsipu - look like morons. Runs on the iPhone.Pupsipu
- I looked into those Paul Irish demos. They don't support any actionscript.CyBrain
- here is how http://paulirish.com…
- BusterBoy0
After taking a look at Zeldman's article, it just reinforces how dumb this whole argument is...tons of contradictions and inaccuracies when thinking outside the "developer's bubble".
Joe Public couldn't give a fuck if a site uses HTML5, Javascript or Flash, as long as it works. IMHO, Flash is so ubiquitous that the whole plugin debate is pretty silly. How many Browsers out there that take almost 100% of the market? Bugger all so a lot of the "standards movement" kind of reminds me of the climate change debate...there's some truth but it's mired in so much politically correct bullshit.
- lol, but browsers all together are more ubiquitous than flash, and they run on macs and netbooks. Flash essentially doesn't.Pupsipu
- doesn't. It's not for mac lol. For all it's ubiquity if it runs like shit for 10% of users, what's the point?
Pupsipu - What's the LOL for? Flash is more ubiquitous than the Mac OS so what's your point?BusterBoy
- and browsers are on windows AND macs. And they run consistently on both.Pupsipu
- the LOL is for you trying to equate Flash to an individual browser, that's misleading.Pupsipu
- individual browsers don't need to have 100% penetration, all together they have 100% penetration. While Flash is essentially 90%, not for mac.Pupsipu
- essentially 90%, not for Mac.Pupsipu
- Flash is 98%. And there are hardly any browser issues there. Flash reaches people more reliably for the foreseeable future.CyBrain
- SteveJobs0
@zeldman "Flash won’t die tomorrow, but plug-in technology is on its way out."
just wow. somebody call adobe and sun; the prophet has spoken.
--------------------------------... (semicolon)look, i think the flaw here is in this one-sided kind of thinking. it's too either/or. both technologies have their strengths and there's no reason they can't work along side one another.
- Pupsipu0
First Flash will go on its way out, then Browsers and HTML.
- ukit0
Adobe's CTO published a blog post on the future of Flash. I think they recognize that they are at a turning point and the next version of Creative Suite will be critical.
- ideaist0
Can't we as designers / developers hold some type of protest and demand flash on portable devices? It seems unfair that Apple is letting us know what technology we can use rather than the other way around...
Any protest ideas???
- Milan0
Adobe shouldn't allow any image containing the Apple logo to be opened in the next version of Photoshop and Illustrator. Similar to how they don't allow you to import images of currency in Photoshop. That'll show em!
- evanburke0
Pupsipu, browsers may exist on 100% of platforms. I don't think anyone disputes that.
But there are huge difference between the actual browsers people are using. Some people still use IE5, ffs.
HTML5 won't be viable for years because of slow adoption and disparate implementation.
@font-face has been around since 1998 (CSS2) and it's still a mess to use because of varying support and implementation.
- ernexbcn0
So it seems it's not only Apple who's having problems with Flash Player, also the guys from Mozilla Firefox for Maemo (Nokia new fancy top of the line phones):
"We’ve decided to disable plugin (not to be confused with add-ons, which are supported) support for this release. The Adobe Flash plugin used on many sites degraded the performance of the browser to the point where it didn’t meet our standards."
- PonyBoy0
so what's the real deal here?
Is the software (flash player) too inefficient a plugin for mobile devices that have minimal memory / processor speed?... I can understand if that's the issue - I still see sites that run like shit on my Intel processor mac...
... what has to be done to the player / application to make it a balanced/efficient platform for mobile devices?
One last Q (off point too)... most of the apps for mobile devices - are they all written in something resembling OOP?
- it's both Adobe's shitty player and the devices hardware capabilitiesernexbcn
- they are going to release Flash 10.1 mobile soon and it's supposedly betterernexbcn
- Mobile apps are Objective-C in the iPhones case, then .net/C++/Java on othersBIGGESTDOGINTHEWORLD
- kingsteven0
they need some site-by-site safari/ flash approval. sometimes i wonder if it's a coincidence that the "technology company" that runs the largest online music store in the world, limits the use of the player technology used by every indie record store.
just let the consumer decide? if it's a buggy mess that crashes my iphone every 5 minutes I'll probably turn it off my self?
- the consumer would decide by returning the iphone, not turning flash off.ephix
- BIGGESTDOGINTHEWORLD0
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"I'll probably turn it off my self?"
Yeah I'm sure peoples Mums and Dads will even understand the concept of a plugin, let alone which thing to turn off in preferences to stop their browser chugging along and crashing. They'll probably just come to the conclusion the iPhone is shit and then go back to their dumb handset.Do you see where Apple is coming from now? They are sick of an outside company's technology having a negative impact on the perception of their products.
Its not some tin foil hat iTunes store conspiracy, Apple makes money on hardware not music sales. And if that hardware appears to be shitty because of Flash they'll ditch Flash
- "they need some site-by-site safari/ flash approval." read the first fucking sentence.kingsteven
- as for the "conspiracy" i used to do a lot of flash sites for record companies, and i'm an iPhone using music purchaser.kingsteven
- i'm simply stating that what is being passed off as a technical decision, benefits the part of apple's business that fuels their hardware sales...kingsteven
- hardware sales.kingsteven
- that doesn't mean if i worked for apple i'd come to the same decision... in fact i'd probably ban flash for this reason alone.kingsteven
- CyBrain0
The claim that Flash can't run well on an iPhone, let alone an iPad with more power is a weak claim and even an admission of inferiority if you consider that Palm, Nokia and Android all run Flash without complaints from their users.
- GeorgesII0
100SFLASH