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- qoob0
The good news from the point of view of liberals is that America is getting more and more diverse. Making it hard for Republicans to win with their "whites only" strategy.
Look at the current election. With the economy struggling, Romney should be ahead by 5-10 points. But Obama still has the lead because Romney pulls such weak numbers among blacks, hispanics, gays and women. If the economy was normal, the election would not even be close...the Democrat would win easily.
- ********0
The United States spent $2.3 trillion on health care in 2008, or $7,681 per person. This amounted to 16.2 percent of the nation’s gross domestic product (GDP).1
The problem is too much subsidization of healthcare. Lowere costs can only be seen when people are allowed to carry the burden alone. If car insurance costs were expanded upon everyone for everything costs would skyrocket. Personal responsibility would plummet. Also the whole insurance racket and regulations by state are fucked. Need more competition less regulations, and less subsidization to bring down costs. This means the less fortunate gene pool gets fucked but that is natural. Weaker genetics are prone to fail and is better off for all. Humans did not get to where they are today coddling the weak and the sick at the cost of the healthy and strong. If they did that we might have never gotten as far as we have.
I still cant understand how peoples emotional state chooses to neglect reason for them and bitch and moan about costs without seeing that they are voting for higher costs. They can easily pass a homeless person on the street and except that as just fact and circumstance but if little suzie is uninsured and terminally ill every ones wants everyone else to reach in to their pockets. Even if a million only buys her another couple years. Its absurd. The healthcare corporations will make a bundle off of democratic policy while fucking the middle class. It will only increase in a decline of middle class by creating costs too high and hence forth making u take the handouts.
The best thing is for government to pull out of its own nation building here. Let states and local politics decide. Far less federal level control except for defense. Quit trying to control what cant be controlled while ignoring what u create from trying to control. Its really, really so simple. Its not some highschool drama played out as it has been.
To me this current election is nothin more than a liberal eliteist who thinks he can make men better, who ignores his true motivation. Wether it be his lack of ego and need of love or some sort of god hand rule vs a false conservative douche who likes the idea he is on top. I have to admit romney seems more in tune and acceptant of his aims and less disillusioned, but still delusional and as much a bastard.
They have both used the same means with different party attack lines to achieve their goals. To me theyre the same guy principally. Just both emotionally broken trash with two different aims of self masturbation.
I guess im only writing this because ive tossed a few back and need to vent my frustration at the complete ignorance of the masses in matters of philosophy and the dick hole hypocrites who think they are educated or enlightened. The people in this thread are no more educated than the csnaps whip or whatever the guy is called these days. U are two sides of the same coin of ignorance. Blind team supporters that only have talking points given out to u to repeat and spread. promoting control of one or another persons side to make u his bitch while they spin the same garbage to the larger audience in hopes to keep their job. Ignore the statistics that make u feel better for you side. Search for truth. Even if u dont like it. Accept the fact anyone selling himself even ron paul as a savior is full of shit(even though he sells what is needed, albeit all politicains fall and he'll eventually play the game that people ignorant people expect... but 4 years could be a nice change with him). The only balance can not come from some central command but through many peoples free and uncoerced actions.
blah blah... blah... im tired of this shit right now. politics are no differnt than highschool cheerleader shit and likely wont change and will just progress with the endless cycle of death and rebirth it always has done. A period of enlightenment followed with a collapse.
- Deathboys healthcare platform; we need to cut costs somehow, let little cancer Susie die.IRNlun6
- If you liked death panels, you'll LOVE deathboylocustsloth
- I see you've evolved. You've discovered capitalization and paragraphs. small wonders and all.TheBlueOne
- Let the sick people that are poor die, got it.aaux
- ahem - in the last part you said politics are no different from high school. I would suggest YOUR politics are, not ours.mikotondria3
- and mito id ask how so? Popularity in highschool is so detached from any real value/ideals/princip... it emotional. Is that not what it is?********
- that not what todays politics is? Children bitching and moaning and wanting without any idea of outcomes and consequence of actions.********
- id say fuck the peter pans but im probably labeled peter pan becuase i go with ideals and principles instead of whats hot right now.********
- right now. but hey to each the e own on opinion until force is used or its ugly cousin coercion********
- qoob0
Romney is already selling out his own supporters in the Tea Party..
Romney's "RNC Power Grab": What Really Happened
- locustsloth0
deathboy says global warming is good! Creates more ice flows to put Gran and Gramps (and special guest Sick Suzie) on
- TheBlueOne0
Why is defense sacrosanct in your view and healthcare not?
If you permit, may use a metaphor, and I will, and I shall:
It's like you are a parent and you spend all your money buying a home in a safe area, and on the latest security gear, an alarm company subscription, stockpile some guns, have a hurrican shelter and a "safe room installed, etc. Spare no expense to keep your family safe, by god.
And then you feed your kids twinkies all the time, and exhibit no personal emotional control over your parenting, maybe smack 'em around a bit when they talk back.
So to society you're a concerned parent spending everything on safety (and you probably have a bumper sticker on the pickup telling everyone you're a proud gun owner or something) - but behind closed doors you're ids are damaged little fucks who will probably shoot you with one of the guns you've stockpiled.
I don't understand why Conservatives don't see healthcare, environment et al as security issues, because it is. I mean, the best healthcare system in the US can be found in the military. No expense is spared to keep the soldiers in tip top shape - and it's costs beat the private market, yet no expense is spared. Go figure that. The military considers a healthy population a key to it's success, yet as for the rest of society in the GOP's eyes- well, let the poor fuckers die - physical health has nothing whatsoever to do with a functional economy. I don't get it - especially because preventative healthcare is fucking dirt cheap at scale as opposed to letting the shit fall apart and having to deal with terrible chronic problems.
Of course, then, if you a vulture capitalist, it's very easy to extract money/rent from people with any shred of hope to save their miserable lives or keep them on the edge of shit like diabeties, obesity, etc..
So it really is a system maximizing the system for wealth extraction and nothing to do with health. If conservatives were really concerned with national security they'd be interested in a healthy and fit population. But they're not, and they're not. It's protecting revenue streams.
- monkeyshine0
Where are the conservatives like this guy? And why are none of them in office?
- Or this guy: http://www.theameric…TheBlueOne
- thanks for that link. Great article. I'd vote for a republican like that guy. :(monkeyshine
- TheBlueOne0
Because the real conservatives in the US political spectrum are the Democrats who are trying to hold onto a centuries worth of political tradition. Modern "conservatives" are in line to become the next Supreme Soviet with party purity being the prime definition of what it means to be a Republican, rather than any belief in principles. Just look at how the Ron Paul contingent got the boot from the GOP convention. They are arguably truer "conservatives" than the Republican party has become and their dissenting viewpoints simply will not be allowed.
And there is no organized "left" in American politics no matter how much money GOP organizers and corporate think tanks pump out that meme throughout the culture to keep the fear levels jacked up.
High on corruption, high on violence, high on fear - your radical republican party. Nothing conservative about it.
- You forgot to include Democratic party in your last sentence for your entire post to make sense.whhipp
- No, he stated everything correctly there.aaux
- Democrats are certainly corrupt, but they aren't crazy, nor are they approaching Soviet levels of purity.TheBlueOne
- Yeah whipp, it's Democrats who are shouting "WAR!" "GUNS!" "NO MEXICANS!" "NO MUSLIMS!"CanHasQBN
- Republican is the very definition of violence, fear, and paranoia.CanHasQBN
- CanHas weren't you just screaming "No Christianity" such a double standard. And no I dont scream those things you mention, but unfortunately the real world is bit more complicated than Utopia.whhipp
- you mention, but unfortunately the real world is bit more complicated than Utopia.whhipp
- TheBlueOne0
On a less serious note, this was awesome for all the wrong reasons.
- the most bizarro moment of the whole convention!monkeyshine
- It was pretty shaky, but I thought was effective because everyone remembered it. + the empty chair was too clever– absent Obama.whhipp
- absent Obama.whhipp
- Except they told him that Obama was really there but he was invisible.aaux
- Honestly, it wasn't clever. I've been to college and I can do cursive writing, and I can see it's not clever. Trust me.mikotondria3
- whatever dude. save it for someone else.whhipp
- who, me ?mikotondria3
- yep.whhipp
- "No."mikotondria3
- whhipp0
- Yeah, we all know how the right loves education. Moron.severian
- http://www.reuters.c…severian
- Republicans are such douche bags. Sorry, but they are.aaux
- So laughing at some made up joke about Obama being Kenyan is policy in GOP land, huh?TheBlueOne
- Kenya? What. The. Fuck. Can they be more ignorant and racist? This is absolutely despicable.monospaced
- They don't hide their racism anymore. It's hip to hate blacks now.CanHasQBN
- cant you just laugh and move on-its obviously an idiot that made these and not sponsored by GOP.whhipp
- Bullshit, you see one single republican politician denounce any of these things? They just do a little wink and smile.aaux
- Its pure comedy.whhipp
- qoob0
This guy really wants Ron Paul people to vote for him
- mg330
I love reading people's responses to blog posts:
In http://www.politico.com/blogs/cl…
"Obama was elected to preside at the White House not send Air Force One on a photo op of the Stature of Liberty and than bow in cultures elsewhere. The test you failed to see was the
absentee President who has constantly been trying to get his next job lined up on the golf course. When the number One intellect uses the F word on a open mic to show how the Obamascam was passed it is time Clint did a modern version of a John Wayne castration of the "leader" of Fast and Furious. My little California town has 35% unemployment. Where is the Hope and Change. Busy with shopping trips for his wife and failed Wind and Solar and planning to cut quiet deals with Russia after the election. Using the prestige of the White House to endeavor to win the Olympics for Chicago so that a billion or more could be pocketed for the development of a slum area into an Olympic Village. The DNC should pay for the trip to Europe. Clint gave a simply summary Performance Audit and Trumped it with "your fired". without being quite so blunt---the empty suit was needed as He never sits long behind the real work desk in the Oval Office. Clint did America proud beyond measure."- Interchangeable right wing blog post. Sometimes I wonder if these are machine generated.qoob
- talking point come from both sides. dems AND repubs have staff that scour the webs publishing this stuff.zenmasterfoo
- drgs0
lol, I wish that Romney wins the election -- imagine that
Imagine all the fun I will be having
- yurimon0
- good cliplocustsloth
- wow, way to bring it way back. smh
whhipp
- ********0
The whole idea of defense kind of comes from the fact that when we became a republic we put the right to use physical force into the governments hands to protect us from foreign or domestic threats and to uphold our sovereignty. And they can use that power as long as they don't fuck with peoples individuals rights.
Now some people see healthcare as a right but it's plain not. http://www.bdt.com/pages/Peikoff…
So I do not see them needing to control it. I can see it as a security issue. But everyone sees security differently. Like people living on the AZ border or a college kid without insurance. Choosing your level of comfort and security at what cost is a personal decision. Not one for some small group of men who are acting on their own self interests tells you you need, or should want or should be a right. Ben Franklin said it best with "He who would trade liberty for some temporary security, deserves neither liberty nor security."
And lets look at what we have gotten for the temporary securities that FDR started with this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sec… . A social secuirty ponzi scheme, medicare, medicaid, over use of insurance by creating wage increase bans which started the employer based healthcares that seperated consumer from demand and real prices and a lot more with the type of thinking that he proposed. I'd think the fallicies of his statements would be clear but a lot of people dont see them. And none of them have worked and have only driven prices and people say its because they did to little when it really is because they did what they did. And before him the jacksonian banking and elitist ruling class shit.
As far as defense I dont think we need as much as we have. And i dont think we need to police the world. I understand the fear people have that makes us keep meddling, all the what ifs and what nots with iran, isreal, terrorist, threats, china, russia and all that. But really we need leaders who dont pander to it for votes. No matter how big our military is if we keep fucking with people they'll fuck with us. At the same time R&D to keep up with other countries so as not be caught off guard im ok with. Nothing wrong with a little fortification so some other crazy country leader doesnt try to police us. Sure it will suck for the soldiers who come home and have no job and the money supply that was funding it stops but thats better than the former.
And really can anyone argue and say that employer based healthcare isnt a disconnect from people paying real prices and finding services. Why would a hospital want to deliver a baby to an uninsured person willing to pay in $5,000 when an insurance company will pay $10,000 or more. Some deductibles cost more than the medicine. There is no market when so many people are insured to control costs. I pay about 100 bucks a month and my employer 200. The plan sucks. I could get better coverage on my own for 200. A plan that isnt wasted on things i would pay out of pocket for. But instead i pay 100, because if i opt out I don't see the money. And than would be out 200 instead of 100 every month. Business provide it either for tax breaks or some moral noble cause. That does more harm than good. Only good it does is give insurance companies more capital to payout larger sums driving prices higher and making people have to get insurance. The higher prices give hospitals more capital to try to achieve more prestige and grow and buy the latest technology which might be .0001 percent better, but XXXXXXX dollars more. Hell a hospital account i work on has valet parking. And the money they spend in advertising is just WOW. But that is just one little big part of the problem, there is so many more smaller ones that help promote other problems. Like lawsuits and regulations. Its definitely a hydra.
Let little suzie die!? If someone doesnt want to let her die I could careless if they create a charity or raise money somehow to give her the care she needs. Thats their right of action. To create a law taking my money to pay for their ego jerkoff i care about. Stealing from the rich or the poor to pay for someone else is not noble or moral. And instead of feeling proud the real feeling should be shame. Can i be empathetic to everyone who has had a hardluck story? Sure. I am all the time. Im not some cold hearted SOB. The difference is I dont say "well something should be done so i don't have to see travesties like this (which is selfish). People should do something and there should be some sort of law to force people to do something" I just simply say "damn that sucks" with an awkward slightly guilt that im happy it wasn't me. I understand life and know its a cruel world. I try to focus on making it better and the positives. Cant cry over spilled milk. I also know that no matter how much legislation or money is thrown away will prevent the kinds of things people dont want to see. Dealing with it is what adults do. Children cry about it and try to create illusions with irrationality that somehow something can be done. So no I'm not advocating any sort of death panel besides the one that we all have which is life and death. Im against the kind of death panel that will come out of over use of healthcare through limited supply and rationing. I also see letting the little suzies of the world deal with the hand nature/circumstance/lifestyle handed them. For one its a positive benefit to the genetic pool and 2 it's responsible conditioning. Right now our system basically rewards a dog for shitting on the carpet and hopes it learns it lesson but humans are no better than dogs. We will take advantage until there is only responsibility to take. It will make people better. It will make them demand less of things like FDR 2nd bill of rights. It's an education that has long been forgotten with americas prosperity. And all by not using any force.
And still people think of the fear and what ifs if a good person really got sick and couldnt get care. There are charities and organization, families. Id suggest, but very wary of the negative consequences, of providing certain tax incentives for those groups that really do believe in charity. Personally I don't believe in it and find it as a really low form of ego boost. Because all charity usually comes down to self interest. You want to feel good so you give what u dont need to someone else. You feel good u could help. Self interest. And i give to charities now and than when i can and it benefits me like taking something off my hands or getting a bum out of my face. I dont feel bubbly about it and just glad i could help like holding a door open for someone. Just general kindness that costs u nothing. It is definitely not higher up on a moral scale than someone not doing something. Its just a question of value and cost.
As far as security with the environment. Im on the fence about man's effects on nature. Im positive we have effect but I dont see any real evidence to what extent. Climate change has happened and will continue to happen with out without man period. Its not about global warmign or cooling. Its just change. Ice cores show very strong changes pre industrial revolution, with and without man. Likely cause by volcanos, meteors, solar flares and lots of unknowns. The idea that man can stop climate change is absurd. However i believe in the three R's and there is nothing wrong with practicing them if at no large cost, but that is a cost for the individual. And its not a secuirty government should be too involved in. I can see smart tax incentives here and there but to smartly choose those will eventually lead to dumb choices and exceeding expansions. So id say might be better to play it safe and stay out of it. Corn ethanol? Hurt middleclass pretty good while not helping. 80s diesal laws set us back quite a bit on that technology and left us off worse. An EPA making sure people arent getting fucked by the illegal dumping of by products i can see and fits in with protection domestically. But still would question the standards and practices of the EPA. Becuase they might enforce such strigent laws of protection they cut off all supply and do more harm than good. There is a bell curve with all regulations and diminishing returns. First they have to accept they dont have unlimited foresight and can stop all accidents and mistakes. So people and voting with dollars would be needed more than just hoping some bureucrat can do the job and to maintain a healthy balance. But inevitably it would likely fail in ruin. Education is the most important thing to keep us free from the tyranny of a uneducated majority in the grey areas of the founding principles.
Theblueone i have a question for you since it seems a lot of your posts against republicans deal with the falling into fascism. And i'll admit i see what your talking about. But i dont see how you dont see that both parties are pushing for a downfall from a republic to a communist/socialist/fascist state. You seem to only recognize the opponents teams failings. Is it because of team bias or a hate for both but more leanings towards the lefts desire for social equalities even if they land them into a hybrid fascist/socialist state depending on party majority? I lean more right since im against the idea of social equality, the only equality i want is in freedom. And see it as most americans are so enamored with equality that they rather be eual in slavery and servitude than freedom. The little details of wether a socialistic society or more of a fascist nation seem to me to be arbitrary. Its a small populace on both telling u what the fuck to do and using force. Just semantics. I can tell you have some education but im not sure if you can think on your own or as tocqueville puts it "In the United States, the majority undertakes to supply a multitude of ready-made opinions for the use of individuals, who are thus relieved from the necessity of forming opinions of their own." And dont take it as a backhanded insult. Im quite interested because i like to hear rationale responses to opposing views because (selfishly) it helps me grow and learn more.
But think that addressed the statements I saw. Im not one to just post graphs or soundbytes to argue for me. Theres already too much of that. Albeit it I know i left plenty of ground for back and forth and more specifics and not enough details on where im coming from. But people today are to short on time and want twits they can read backing what they want to think. I already think this will be too long to read and likely people will only pull out a quote without context and judge it without giving it thought but applying the prewritten response they are conditioned to respond with. Or jazx will spam so much it gets buried before anyone actually concerned with discussion of ideas gets to see it. Game recognizes game.
- TheBlueOne0
"Theblueone i have a question for you since it seems a lot of your posts against republicans deal with the falling into fascism. And i'll admit i see what your talking about. But i dont see how you dont see that both parties are pushing for a downfall from a republic to a communist/socialist/fascist state."
Fair point, and I totally agree it might seem that I am pushing for a "team". Truth is, I've been an independent voter since day one, and have never ascribed to a party. If I come across as biased it's simply because I see the GOP/Conservatives as the far more dangerous/reactionary/radical force on the American scene. The Democrats are equally corrupt, although to other interests. Both parties are doing their part to undermine the ideals of republican democracy. I have no love for Obama, who, as the Republicans & Tea Party have pointed out, truthfully, has done little to fulfill the promises he was elected on. He has however been a caretaker president in the traditional mode for better or worse. The Republicans have gone off the deep end with the whole bitherism/socialist/kenyan/musli... crap. It's sheer and utter madness. It is the Goebbels's Big Lie. I don't understand since there is a solid case to be made against Obama without all that insane rhetoric, but they can't seem to let it go.
We are far more closer to a fascist society than to a socialist one by any stretch of the imagination, and thus the immediate danger lies there IMHO.
I see the Conservatives willing to unleash a whole lot of dangerous nationalism and emotionalism to seek power, playing to raw emotion rather than rationalism and process. I see parallels with Weimar Germany in that aspect, although true fascism in America, if it comes entirely, wil have it;s own look and flavor, distinct fro 20th century German style.
We've had a massive Orwell problem in the US - thinking the threat would be some sort of totalitarian Leftist threat..when in fact we've had a Huxley problem all along - a creeping corporate/rightwing alternate consciousness problem. Much easier and cost effective for the elites to control population through propaganda and media than putting a boot on every face.
If I come across as biased it's only because I am focusing on what I perceive as more immediate threats - which IMHO is certainly from the right/corporate linkage and embodied and exploited by the GOP.
The Dems are equally corporatist of course, although beholden to different corporate interests.
Someone once said that revolutions come about not from the people but from the 2nd tier elites aligning against the ruling elites. I think there is much truth to that. The GOP represents certain corporate blocks and the Dems other ones...and what passes as politics is the playing of one of the blocks against the other. On the GOP is Big Energy, Big Agriculture, Military Contractors, and certain factions in FIRE. The Dems have the other half of the FIRE sector, Tech, Media... That said, the Democrats at least have a history of having respect for rule of law and government process, which is something the GOP has steadily been losing for nearly two decades now in a way I think is irreversible.
A design forum on the internet is not a really the forum to parse this all out the way I could in person over a few drinks - and it's not really worth my time/energy to flesh out my entire thought process which is 30 odd years and a masters degree in the making in this setting. I just spew here because I'm feeling curmudgeonly and argumentative.
And I utterly disagree with your opinion about climate change. We are drastically effecting the environment by our burning of fossil fuels. And you know what the whole "Well the climate will change no matter what" caveat is indeed true - to a point. It will change. That's what nature does. But I have no understanding why we would, as a species, seek to purposefully change at a high rate the very environment that allowed our greatest achievement - civilization - to be possible. As a species we've been here a long time. The development of civilization happened under a specific set of climate conditions only in the last 10,000 years which we seem hellbent to roll back. Why a species would seek to rush to destroy the very conditions under which it thrives the best just leave me dumbstruck. And it all boils down to shortsighted thinking based around rent extraction on thin profit margins.
No wisdom or future in it.
- qoob0
"The Dems are equally corporatist of course, although beholden to different corporate interests."
One difference though is that Democrats are also heavily funded by non-corporate groups such as unions. Found this interesting, the top political donors over the past 20 years.
http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/…
ASCME and SEIU end up being bigger donors than Goldman Sachs and Citigroup.
- Unions are far worse.whhipp
- Yeh, what with them democratically representing people who chose to join them.
What voice could they have ?mikotondria3 - "people who chose to join them" that is plain wrong-research it a bit buddy.whhipp
- ********0
Interesting blue.
It seems we have a disagreement to the evolution or degress of certain party policy. I favor right in hopes the madness will be some how cured without long term ratifications. The left policy i see as a slow enacting nerve gas that once in place cant be taken back. Simply by the fact that congress bribes us with our own dollars an by subsidization they can offer whatever they want for votes. The right seems to stray from that aspect more than the left but plays on the fear aspect saying we will keep u safe. And the left healthy and u wont see anything that makes u feel bad. I lean towards right because i think there bad policy can more easily be corrected.
As far as right and left with corporate ties i dont hold a particular favor. If now thinkign i would lean more right since there more military based and the idea wars cant last forever vs social "responsibilites." However we have been in state of preemptive war or war for a lot of the last century. But i cant help thinking as what tocqueville said as the larger threat "The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money." In as much as the leaders are as corrupt and juvenile as the voters. If as far as offering more freebies go, id say im more scared of the left with their branding as giving more (which is to say wealth distribution for votes) than the fear aspect the right sterotypically puts up. But the right does have the bible belt branding and its a gain out of fear of hellfire and damnation.
I still see both parties playing to the same soft spot of the majority. Hell u could say romney was the father of obamacare. Both parties lack good leaders and both parties pander to the same sells that work people over. I am mor eleaning towards ron paul but im not sure if its the media and the simple questions and his same responses, albeit correct, but make me sick to the stomach. Is it media and questioning which marks a man of actual principals into a sound byte machine? His slogans of end the fed i get for branding but are unfeasible in todays real world. Do i trust in the logic that brings out these words and speeches while ignoring his actions of majority acceptance ( few compared to other candidates but still raise a few hairs).
And the idea of revolution coming about by a second tier elite against a first class elite i reject. Not on grounds that it isnt true in most cases. But on the grounds of the system that built the 2 classes of elite who both think they can rule the rest better.
I believe orwell is of the right nature and huxley on the left. And i believe huxley is more correct. His evaluation of the threat in brave new world and island is far truer and for seeable than orwells envisions. That man wants security and his desire to be ruled and thoguht out for him. Man is largely lazy as long as his superiors provide for him he'll do anything. The soma and predeterminded outocme in brave new world destroy the independant man who doesn't want any of it. In islands their is a small smart society who eventually falls to a leader of less ego who wants to rule and who wants capitalistic gains. I liked islands better as a book.
As far as close to fascist or socialist i see no difference in either ( did i write this already ive tossed back a few and plan on sleeping in). Theyre basically the same depending on the self interests of the ruling party.
As far as independant voter goes i have to ask if you are registered that way? If so cant u not vote
in primaries and the such as a independent? Im not a registered voter because i refuse the politics and game involved and the idea of primaries and such. I just rather educate myself and figure out if the current majority will fuck me in the ass. Which i have determined will do with this election no matter who wins.As far as environment goes like i said im on the fence. Right now it pays to have proofs of man made climate change. I question the market. As far as actual degree of man made change in the last 100 years vs regular climate change models and all other respects i have yet to see any any strong evidence besides graphs and info that seems entirely biased one way or another. Im only basing my opinion on what i know that seems to make sense. And im looking at the fear mongering exploitive behavior of those wanting to cash in. The chevy volt assembly line just closed down becaase even with 7500 dollar tax payer credit it didnt sell as many expected. The cause an effects of such policies. I still have not seen any good evidence to the extant man has pushed natural climate changed or hindered it. Im open for info that is relevant and real either way, in a unbiased grant manner. Right now it still seems like marketing ploy for federal spending based on fear. If its true wether be manmade or natural i tend to think of the positives of nature resetting the balances. Wether we die and our bodies are the next fossil fuels i just hope some how in my time i escape its fate. But i cant see us controlling the changes more than 25 years even if we go full totalinariusm and try to control everything. I have to say using fossil fuels to progress as much as we can before a large extinction event is better than waiting and hoping somehow reserves or not progressing will help it. That is my opinion and feelings on the matter until provided with info that can change them. If there is a strong data point that looks at manmade change for at least 1000 years despite regular change ill be happy to read it and change my views accordingly. But there really isnt such a thing. Climate study and man effects are so new with the industrial revolution and all reports seem to be on small timeline and neglecting various other causes. So im up a creek without a paddle. Ill likely remain on the fence for lack of data one way or the other and biasley cross my fingers the small timeline data is wrong. But still stand by the most economically clean driving forces that benefit man.
And im happy to see u replied. You explained yourself well and definitely could have beers to discuss the details and reasons and experiences for such opinions. You seem to know more about what u say than canned opinions of the masses. And a design forum is definitely not the best place but since i have no other online accounts besides this this one, i find myself needing to voice my opinions, which seem to be largely absurd in this field. Seems a bit of an abnormality. But i dropped out of a biology major on public dollars because i didnt agree with the way things were. Never have. Status quo never fits. I really appreciate this kind of discourse even in disagreement to what the thread is largely made of and stands for everything i hate with politics.
And window to small but just saw u thought of an orwellian future as largely left. Thats interesting because ive always viewed the orwellian future as a right outcome. Huxleys as left.
- drgs0
- TheBlueOne0
"First, we have to remember that in Securityspeak, “democracy” doesn’t mean what it does in English. You probably think of democracy as meaningful control by ordinary people of the decisions that affect their daily lives. The false cognate Securityspeak term “democracy” sounds the same but can cause great confusion. It actually refers to a society in which the system of power is disguised by the existence of periodic electoral rituals in which the public chooses between a number of candidates, all selected from the same ruling class. These candidates may argue a lot, but it’s all about the 20% or so of secondary issues on which the different factions of the ruling class are divided among themselves. The 80% of primary issues, on which the ruling class agrees — issues that define the basic structure of power — never comes up for debate. When the structure of power itself comes up for debate — when people start talking about, say, the concentrated ownership of land, or export-oriented development policy — it’s a sign that “democracy” is in danger of being replaced by “radical populism.” That’s a matter for the CIA or Marines to deal with. The whole point of Securityspeak’s version of “democracy” is to safeguard the fundamental structure of power by distracting the population with the illusion of choice."
— On Translating Securityspeak Into English by Kevin Carson