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Interesting blue.
It seems we have a disagreement to the evolution or degress of certain party policy. I favor right in hopes the madness will be some how cured without long term ratifications. The left policy i see as a slow enacting nerve gas that once in place cant be taken back. Simply by the fact that congress bribes us with our own dollars an by subsidization they can offer whatever they want for votes. The right seems to stray from that aspect more than the left but plays on the fear aspect saying we will keep u safe. And the left healthy and u wont see anything that makes u feel bad. I lean towards right because i think there bad policy can more easily be corrected.
As far as right and left with corporate ties i dont hold a particular favor. If now thinkign i would lean more right since there more military based and the idea wars cant last forever vs social "responsibilites." However we have been in state of preemptive war or war for a lot of the last century. But i cant help thinking as what tocqueville said as the larger threat "The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money." In as much as the leaders are as corrupt and juvenile as the voters. If as far as offering more freebies go, id say im more scared of the left with their branding as giving more (which is to say wealth distribution for votes) than the fear aspect the right sterotypically puts up. But the right does have the bible belt branding and its a gain out of fear of hellfire and damnation.
I still see both parties playing to the same soft spot of the majority. Hell u could say romney was the father of obamacare. Both parties lack good leaders and both parties pander to the same sells that work people over. I am mor eleaning towards ron paul but im not sure if its the media and the simple questions and his same responses, albeit correct, but make me sick to the stomach. Is it media and questioning which marks a man of actual principals into a sound byte machine? His slogans of end the fed i get for branding but are unfeasible in todays real world. Do i trust in the logic that brings out these words and speeches while ignoring his actions of majority acceptance ( few compared to other candidates but still raise a few hairs).
And the idea of revolution coming about by a second tier elite against a first class elite i reject. Not on grounds that it isnt true in most cases. But on the grounds of the system that built the 2 classes of elite who both think they can rule the rest better.
I believe orwell is of the right nature and huxley on the left. And i believe huxley is more correct. His evaluation of the threat in brave new world and island is far truer and for seeable than orwells envisions. That man wants security and his desire to be ruled and thoguht out for him. Man is largely lazy as long as his superiors provide for him he'll do anything. The soma and predeterminded outocme in brave new world destroy the independant man who doesn't want any of it. In islands their is a small smart society who eventually falls to a leader of less ego who wants to rule and who wants capitalistic gains. I liked islands better as a book.
As far as close to fascist or socialist i see no difference in either ( did i write this already ive tossed back a few and plan on sleeping in). Theyre basically the same depending on the self interests of the ruling party.
As far as independant voter goes i have to ask if you are registered that way? If so cant u not vote
in primaries and the such as a independent? Im not a registered voter because i refuse the politics and game involved and the idea of primaries and such. I just rather educate myself and figure out if the current majority will fuck me in the ass. Which i have determined will do with this election no matter who wins.As far as environment goes like i said im on the fence. Right now it pays to have proofs of man made climate change. I question the market. As far as actual degree of man made change in the last 100 years vs regular climate change models and all other respects i have yet to see any any strong evidence besides graphs and info that seems entirely biased one way or another. Im only basing my opinion on what i know that seems to make sense. And im looking at the fear mongering exploitive behavior of those wanting to cash in. The chevy volt assembly line just closed down becaase even with 7500 dollar tax payer credit it didnt sell as many expected. The cause an effects of such policies. I still have not seen any good evidence to the extant man has pushed natural climate changed or hindered it. Im open for info that is relevant and real either way, in a unbiased grant manner. Right now it still seems like marketing ploy for federal spending based on fear. If its true wether be manmade or natural i tend to think of the positives of nature resetting the balances. Wether we die and our bodies are the next fossil fuels i just hope some how in my time i escape its fate. But i cant see us controlling the changes more than 25 years even if we go full totalinariusm and try to control everything. I have to say using fossil fuels to progress as much as we can before a large extinction event is better than waiting and hoping somehow reserves or not progressing will help it. That is my opinion and feelings on the matter until provided with info that can change them. If there is a strong data point that looks at manmade change for at least 1000 years despite regular change ill be happy to read it and change my views accordingly. But there really isnt such a thing. Climate study and man effects are so new with the industrial revolution and all reports seem to be on small timeline and neglecting various other causes. So im up a creek without a paddle. Ill likely remain on the fence for lack of data one way or the other and biasley cross my fingers the small timeline data is wrong. But still stand by the most economically clean driving forces that benefit man.
And im happy to see u replied. You explained yourself well and definitely could have beers to discuss the details and reasons and experiences for such opinions. You seem to know more about what u say than canned opinions of the masses. And a design forum is definitely not the best place but since i have no other online accounts besides this this one, i find myself needing to voice my opinions, which seem to be largely absurd in this field. Seems a bit of an abnormality. But i dropped out of a biology major on public dollars because i didnt agree with the way things were. Never have. Status quo never fits. I really appreciate this kind of discourse even in disagreement to what the thread is largely made of and stands for everything i hate with politics.
And window to small but just saw u thought of an orwellian future as largely left. Thats interesting because ive always viewed the orwellian future as a right outcome. Huxleys as left.