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"Theblueone i have a question for you since it seems a lot of your posts against republicans deal with the falling into fascism. And i'll admit i see what your talking about. But i dont see how you dont see that both parties are pushing for a downfall from a republic to a communist/socialist/fascist state."
Fair point, and I totally agree it might seem that I am pushing for a "team". Truth is, I've been an independent voter since day one, and have never ascribed to a party. If I come across as biased it's simply because I see the GOP/Conservatives as the far more dangerous/reactionary/radical force on the American scene. The Democrats are equally corrupt, although to other interests. Both parties are doing their part to undermine the ideals of republican democracy. I have no love for Obama, who, as the Republicans & Tea Party have pointed out, truthfully, has done little to fulfill the promises he was elected on. He has however been a caretaker president in the traditional mode for better or worse. The Republicans have gone off the deep end with the whole bitherism/socialist/kenyan/musli... crap. It's sheer and utter madness. It is the Goebbels's Big Lie. I don't understand since there is a solid case to be made against Obama without all that insane rhetoric, but they can't seem to let it go.
We are far more closer to a fascist society than to a socialist one by any stretch of the imagination, and thus the immediate danger lies there IMHO.
I see the Conservatives willing to unleash a whole lot of dangerous nationalism and emotionalism to seek power, playing to raw emotion rather than rationalism and process. I see parallels with Weimar Germany in that aspect, although true fascism in America, if it comes entirely, wil have it;s own look and flavor, distinct fro 20th century German style.
We've had a massive Orwell problem in the US - thinking the threat would be some sort of totalitarian Leftist threat..when in fact we've had a Huxley problem all along - a creeping corporate/rightwing alternate consciousness problem. Much easier and cost effective for the elites to control population through propaganda and media than putting a boot on every face.
If I come across as biased it's only because I am focusing on what I perceive as more immediate threats - which IMHO is certainly from the right/corporate linkage and embodied and exploited by the GOP.
The Dems are equally corporatist of course, although beholden to different corporate interests.
Someone once said that revolutions come about not from the people but from the 2nd tier elites aligning against the ruling elites. I think there is much truth to that. The GOP represents certain corporate blocks and the Dems other ones...and what passes as politics is the playing of one of the blocks against the other. On the GOP is Big Energy, Big Agriculture, Military Contractors, and certain factions in FIRE. The Dems have the other half of the FIRE sector, Tech, Media... That said, the Democrats at least have a history of having respect for rule of law and government process, which is something the GOP has steadily been losing for nearly two decades now in a way I think is irreversible.
A design forum on the internet is not a really the forum to parse this all out the way I could in person over a few drinks - and it's not really worth my time/energy to flesh out my entire thought process which is 30 odd years and a masters degree in the making in this setting. I just spew here because I'm feeling curmudgeonly and argumentative.
And I utterly disagree with your opinion about climate change. We are drastically effecting the environment by our burning of fossil fuels. And you know what the whole "Well the climate will change no matter what" caveat is indeed true - to a point. It will change. That's what nature does. But I have no understanding why we would, as a species, seek to purposefully change at a high rate the very environment that allowed our greatest achievement - civilization - to be possible. As a species we've been here a long time. The development of civilization happened under a specific set of climate conditions only in the last 10,000 years which we seem hellbent to roll back. Why a species would seek to rush to destroy the very conditions under which it thrives the best just leave me dumbstruck. And it all boils down to shortsighted thinking based around rent extraction on thin profit margins.
No wisdom or future in it.