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- PonyBoy0
designbot... how do you feel about the koran being taught in american schools along side the bible?
... and I'm not talking that literal - let's just say we have a class offered as 'christian studies'... would it be okay to offer 'islamic studies'?
- why not just religious studies? total offering covering many faiths.
zenmasterfoo - I actually like that idea zen.designbot
- They have that already guys...that's exactly what most colleges offer;)ukit
- why not just religious studies? total offering covering many faiths.
- BonSeff0
rewatch the first minute of that kooky kirk vid. 61% of college biologists are atheist or agnostic..
Gee I wonder why they cant get with god just plopping adam down on earth and making eve from a rib.. that is a totally plausible alternative to evolution.. poor college students are being denied that 'flip side'.
- designbot0
Okay again, PonyBoy...I never said anything about teaching religion in school. So the answer to your question is no.
- it's a public place... public money - so it falls in line w/'god' being on money - in the pledge etc... just curious. :)PonyBoy
- taking a unbiased stance you have to ask yourself do I think this teaching could benefit society/kids as a whole?designbot
- The Koran I have not read enough to give you an answer.designbot
- locustsloth0
Would it be ok for someone to write up a preface to the bible with all the things they thought were wrong and evidence to the contrary and hand them out at Catholic schools?
- ukit0
So I saw this NYT article:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/2…
"New Cheney Taking The Stage For The GOP"
"Liz Cheney, a daughter of the former vice president, is being promoted as a rising star..."
Um...why? Dick Cheney is about the most unpopular, corrupt politician of all time. Are people really chomping at the bit for his daughter to run for office?
It seems like nepotism for rich/ powerful people is just how America rolls these days...
- IRNlun60
Not that it matters but on second thought I have to agree with designbot on the religious topic. Kurt Cameron and his ilk have every right to believe in what they believe and if they choose to believe and preach creationism, fine. Freedom of religion. On the other hand, institutionalizing religion through science in the public education system I believe would blur the lines between church and state and could be deemed unconstitutional. I personally wouldn't support creationism taught in our public schools and it's up to the private schools to decide but at the end of the day it doesn't matter what I think, it will be a decision for the courts. Do I think religion has a place in schools? Sure, in theology but in no way as a means to convert. *one last swing at the dead horse...
- CALLES0
so next white house sex scandal is going to be carpet munching at the oval office? sweeeet
- joeth0
Krugman:
"Responding to climate change with the vigor that the threat deserves would not, contrary to legend, be devastating for the economy as a whole. But it would shuffle the economic deck, hurting some powerful vested interests even as it created new economic opportunities. And the industries of the past have armies of lobbyists in place right now; the industries of the future don’t."
- I like that Paul Krugman.Mimio
- http://www.youtube.c…bliznutty
- damn these environmentalists always trying to maintain their environmental "status quo"********
- ukit0
Looks like Facebook finally took down the poll asking whether Obama should be killed.
Stay classy, right wingers
- how many of the crazy right wing things u see are propagated by the left do u think?********
- we're all in advertising right, it would be a common sense move.********
- how many of the crazy right wing things u see are propagated by the left do u think?
- DrBombay0
Limbaugh says we need to return to ‘segregated buses
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/09…- sounds like an unserious joke. but what u get from ugly source like that are misinterpreted shit spun for their agendas********
- is thinkprogress owned by moveon.org or something?********
- damn rich bastard that started that website. what a beautiful model to make a ton of cash on.********
- what a beautiful model to make a ton of cash on. sincerely, foxnation.comBonSeff
- stfuBonSeff
- Did you listen to the clip? Not sure what else it might be inferring. And your troll ass defends it.DrBombay
- Bastards -- pluralMimio
- naw didnt even listen to it, but by the description i can easily see it just some race humor********
- and i wasnt trolling just stating the obvious. if i wanted to trol id jsut say fuck your mothers face you commie infectious cunt********
- cunt********
- That isn't trolling... You are trying to rile people up by having them engage your fake bullshit opinions.DrBombay
- sorry********
- sounds like an unserious joke. but what u get from ugly source like that are misinterpreted shit spun for their agendas
- discoduro0
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- DrBombay0
Hey Deathboy, it is so fucking obvious by the few notes above that all you are trying to do is rile people up around here. You are a troll and not even a good one. You are defending indefensible shit and trying to blame it on "liberals". It's stupid and you suck at trolling.
- ukit0
I love how deathboy's spelling dramatically improved all of a sudden. Yeah, that shit wasn't fake at all.
- Look at the last 5 comments to posts. Blatant trolling... I imagine his name will disappear soon and a new troll will startDrBombay
- will surfaceDrBombay
- I remember when a bunch of us were bitching about trolls not being banned and JK said:DrBombay
- some shit about "don't you like spice in your soup" or some other bullshit.DrBombay
- I remember all kinds of shit.Mimio
- didnt notice my spelling improved msut not have been in such ahurry.
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- < LOLzukit
- but really dont u ever wonder how many crazy right wingers are started on the left then video taped and posted********
- No, troll. I never wondered that.DrBombay
- Why haven't you wondered that? Seems to be a common sense move.********
- Are you saying you are actually a left winger?ukit
- Show some examples please...DrBombay
- I currently don't have any. Probably be hard to find a PR firm that admits such things. doubt i could find any********
- So you can't prove your claim then?DrBombay
- havent looked for sources, was just thinking the pros and cons of faking such protests********
- the right have been accused of faking to rile up the right, but seems their is potential to also discredit it by over playing it on the left********
- the left. some of the reactions seem to absurd to believe and are embarassing, which if i was on the right i'd try to********
- disassociate myself from. just trying to keep an open mind on motives for such things********
- but no i can not currently prove my claim********
- and still ukit my spellign isnt bad its my 2x2 finger typing and the timing between the 2 hands.********
- i really dont knwo why i seem to mistake the same letters so much, maybe a right left hemisphere thing or hand control********
- control, but its not fake if its better i may be fixing typos with more time or slower typing but havent really switched anything********
- ukit0
http://www.rollingstone.com/poli…
The campaign to mobilize the town-hall mobs began with a script written by the right's foremost fearmonger, Frank Luntz. Luntz rose to fame in 1994 as pollster for Newt Gingrich's Contract With America, and crafted the Republican playbook on global warming. In a May memo, Luntz outlined a battle plan for conservatives to block what he branded the "Washington takeover" of health care — the most terrifying buzz words conjured up in his polls and focus groups.
The logic of the language is simple, Luntz writes: "Takeovers are like coups — they both lead to dictators and a loss of freedom." For a third of all Americans, he adds, the top worry about health care reform is "being denied a procedure or medication because a Washington bureaucrat says no." Luntz concludes by telling Republicans how best to play the fear card. "It is essential that 'deny' and 'denial' enter the conservative lexicon immediately," he writes, "because it is at the core of what scares Americans most about a government takeover of health care."
Distributed widely to Republicans on Capitol Hill, the memo framed the right-wing attack on health care reform. What Luntz describes as "the best anti-Democrat message" is by now familiar to everyone in America: "No Washington bureaucrat should stand between your family and your doctor... The Democrats want to put Washington politicians in charge of your health care."
For the archenemies of Obamacare, however, Luntz's anti-Washington script didn't go nearly far enough. To amp up the panic, they decided to spin the "takeover" fear to its most extreme conclusion: Washington bureaucrats plan to institute "death panels" that would deny life-sustaining care to the elderly. That portion of the script was drafted by Betsy McCaughey, the former lieutenant governor of New York, who insists that her expertise as a constitutional historian enables her to decipher the 1,017 pages of legalese that comprise the House health care bill.
McCaughey first unveiled her "findings" on July 16th, during an appearance on the radio show of former GOP presidential candidate Fred Thompson. "I have just finished reading the House bill," McCaughey declared. "I hope that people listening will protect their parents from what's intended under this bill." Citing page 425 of HR 3200 — a section that outlines the same kind of optional, end-of-life counseling that Republicans have voted for in the past — McCaughey uncorked a terrifying lie. "Congress," she said, "would make it mandatory — absolutely require that every five years, people in Medicare have a required counseling session that will tell them how to end their life sooner." The Obama plan, she added, is financed by "shortening your mother or father's life."
McCaughey has run this con before. During the debate over Clinton's health care overhaul in the early 1990s, McCaughey — then an academic at the right-wing Manhattan Institute — wrote an article for The New Republic called "No Exit," in which she claimed that Hillarycare would prevent even wealthy Americans from "going outside the system to purchase basic health coverage you think is better." Even though the bill plainly stated that "nothing in this Act" would prohibit consumers from purchasing additional care, McCaughey's claim was echoed endlessly in the press, with each repetition pounding a stake further into the heart of the reform effort.
McCaughey's lies were later debunked in a 1995 post-mortem in The Atlantic, and The New Republic recanted the piece in 2006. But what has not been reported until now is that McCaughey's writing was influenced by Philip Morris, the world's largest tobacco company, as part of a secret campaign to scuttle Clinton's health care reform. (The measure would have been funded by a huge increase in tobacco taxes.) In an internal company memo from March 1994, the tobacco giant detailed its strategy to derail Hillarycare through an alliance with conservative think tanks, front groups and media outlets. Integral to the company's strategy, the memo observed, was an effort to "work on the development of favorable pieces" with "friendly contacts in the media."
- Luntz is a dork... oreilly and hannity swear by him too. Check the piece on Penn & Teller (bullshit) about him. :)PonyBoy
- TheBlueOne0
Teabaggers: Not new. Totally manufactured "meme". Those who think some patriotic Americans suddenly and spontaneously thought up the whole "teabag" thing are sadly mistaken. One of the guys behind, Gary Kreep, it currently first tried it against that heralded bastard of liberalism Gerald Ford in 1975:
Currently Gary is president of the "United States Justice Foundation" and is one of the attorneys in the "Is Obama really an American" lawsuits.
So this crackpot has been pushing this thing for 35 years now. I guess it took that long for enough Americans to get that fucking dumb to buy into it.
- It's amazing how quickly and easily they secured permits to protest during their national tour.IRNlun6
- ********0
*Bares toothless grin....
Ameee-rii--caaaa....- WTF!!!!?********
- She didn't respect his authorityTheBlueOne
- WTF!!!!?
- TheBlueOne0
Wow. This will be huge.
"A landmark ruling in a recent Kansas Supreme Court case may have given millions of distressed homeowners the legal wedge they need to avoid foreclosure. In Landmark National Bank v. Kesler, 2009 Kan. LEXIS 834, the Kansas Supreme Court held that a nominee company called MERS has no right or standing to bring an action for foreclosure. MERS is an acronym for Mortgage Electronic Registration Systems, a private company that registers mortgages electronically and tracks changes in ownership. The significance of the holding is that if MERS has no standing to foreclose, then nobody has standing to foreclose – on 60 million mortgages. That is the number of American mortgages currently reported to be held by MERS. Over half of all new U.S. residential mortgage loans are registered with MERS and recorded in its name. Holdings of the Kansas Supreme Court are not binding on the rest of the country, but they are dicta of which other courts take note; and the reasoning behind the decision is sound."
"It seems that a court has ruled that about half of the mortgage market has been run as a criminal enterprise for years, which would invalidate any potential forelosure proceedings for about, oh, 60 million mortgages."
- TheBlueOne0
Seriously, WTF is this? This guy served on two presidential staffs and THIS is what he writes?
"Military intervention is what Obama’s exponentially accelerating agenda for “fundamental change” toward a Marxist state is inviting upon America. A coup is not an ideal option, but Obama’s radical ideal is not acceptable or reversible.
Unthinkable? Then think up an alternative, non-violent solution to the Obama problem. Just don’t shrug and say, “We can always worry about that later.” "
http://www.newsmax.com/john_perr…
This guy is calling for a military coup to oust Obama? And that paragraph there I quoted is certainly a call to some sor tof "violent solution" to the "Obama problem"?
- ha. he paints an interesting scenario. very broad. many different variables. but i dont think he's callign for coup sinc ehe said its not ideal********
- he said its not ideal and then calls for more peaceful resolution to the trampling of individual rights.********
- of course, it sounds crazy if u don't see obamas administration as trampling individual rights farther then the right would dare to try********
- the right would dare to try. after all its much easyier to fight to the death for freedom then healthcare for your neighbor********
- ha. he paints an interesting scenario. very broad. many different variables. but i dont think he's callign for coup sinc ehe said its not ideal
- ********0
So this is how the so called 'left' protest? With t shirts over there face? $50,000 grand in damage and you guys have a problem with the patriot movement?
Hey BlueOne - looks like your cop buddies got called out. Go ahead and keep supporting corruption and gay pedophiles you fag.
- TheBlueOne0
You rightwing douchbags really love to drop the "fag" label, don't you.
Go ahead, admit that you love the dick.
- actually suggesting someone is a fag means u believe they suck dick. or said as a general insult like a dick********
- i mean its common sense a human being isnt a dick. they may have one bbut if they were a very large penis that would be weird********
- be really weird********
- actually suggesting someone is a fag means u believe they suck dick. or said as a general insult like a dick