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- ukit0
http://www.dailykos.com/story/20…
This is some crazy shit...
Sibel Edmonds, a former FBI official, claims that Bush administration officials negotiated the invasion of Iraq with Turkey and Israel in the summer of 2001, before 9/11.
Her claims are apparently based on the fact that the FBI was monitoring Turkish and Israeli agents, who in turn were trying to compromise U.S. government officials who had access to classified info.
"GIRALDI: So the network starts with a person like Grossman in the State Department providing information that enables Turkish and Israeli intelligence officers to have access to people in Congress, who then provide classified information that winds up in the foreign embassies?
EDMONDS: Absolutely. And we also had Pentagon officials doing the same thing. We were looking at Richard Perle and Douglas Feith. They had a list of individuals in the Pentagon broken down by access to certain types of information. Some of them would be policy related, some of them would be weapons-technology related, some of them would be nuclear-related. Perle and Feith would provide the names of those Americans, officials in the Pentagon, to Grossman, together with highly sensitive personal information: this person is a closet gay; this person has a chronic gambling issue; this person is an alcoholic. The files on the American targets would contain things like the size of their mortgages or whether they were going through divorces. One Air Force major I remember was going through a really nasty divorce and a child custody fight. They detailed all different kinds of vulnerabilities.
GIRALDI: So they had access to their personnel files and also their security files and were illegally accessing this kind of information to give to foreign agents who exploited the vulnerabilities of these people to recruit them as sources of information?
EDMONDS: Yes. Some of those individuals on the list were also working for the RAND Corporation. RAND ended up becoming one of the prime targets for these foreign agents.
GIRALDI: RAND does highly classified research for the U.S. government. So they were setting up these people for recruitment as agents or as agents of influence?
EDMONDS: Yes, and the RAND sources would be paid peanuts compared to what the information was worth when it was sold if it was not immediately useful for Turkey or Israel. They also had sources who were working in some midwestern Air Force bases. The sources would provide the information on CD’s and DVD’s. In one case, for example, a Turkish military attaché got the disc and discovered that it was something really important, so he offered it to the Pakistani ISI person at the embassy, but the price was too high. Then a Turkish contact in Chicago said he knew two Saudi businessmen in Detroit who would be very interested in this information, and they would pay the price. So the Turkish military attaché flew to Detroit with his assistant to make the sale.
GIRALDI: We know Grossman was receiving money for services.
EDMONDS: Yes. Sometimes he would give money to the people who were working with him, identified in phone calls on a first-name basis, whether it’s a John or a Joe. He also took care of some other people, including his contact at the New York Times. Grossman would brag, “We just fax to our people at the New York Times. They print it under their names.”
GIRALDI: Did Feith and Perle receive any money that you know of?
EDMONDS: No.
GIRALDI: So they were doing favors for other reasons. Both Feith and Perle were lobbyists for Turkey and also were involved with Israel on defense contracts, including some for Northrop Grumman, which Feith represented in Israel.
EDMONDS: They had arrangements with various companies, some of them members of the American Turkish Council. They had arrangements with Kissinger’s group, with Northrop Grumman, with former secretary of state James Baker’s group, and also with former national security adviser Brent Scowcroft.
The monitoring of the Turks picked up contacts with Feith, Wolfowitz, and Perle in the summer of 2001, four months before 9/11. They were discussing with the Turkish ambassador in Washington an arrangement whereby the U.S. would invade Iraq and divide the country..."
- Ahh ya- Thats my girl.********
- i hate this kind of stuff, becuase the truth seems unreachable in really knowing all of the details********
- such a shame men are such cowards and are so easily manipulated by fear, the demand is high the industry will follow********
- wil follow, not really related jsut thinking if it was planned or not fear being the motivator********
- wonder why the defense in travel by plane is different then trains, buses.********
- makes u wonder about what controls such fears and manipulation, if u fear death by a random act of violence********
- why only in certain conditions. planes happened both by ear and cowardice, but not sure cowardice stand a chanc e now with knowledge of such atrocities********
- with the knowledge of atrocities. but still buses vs planes********
- i just dont understand the fear in the air vs the non fear in so many other circumstances, oh yea not goign anywhere jsut thinking out loud********
- thinking outloud, on the nature of fear and manipulations, hoped to lead somewhere but no go********
- Ahh ya- Thats my girl.
- ********0
Ramanisnky2 you're a disgrace to your own intelligence. You don't even realize you're being used as a worthless pawn. You can't even take the time to research the issues at hand outisde of the fringe media MSNBC, ABC, CNN, FOX. I think its time to grow up sir and learn how to do some reflecting.
- Ramanisky20
^^^ nothing wrong with population control :)
- population control = fail.
designbot - There is nothing wrong with china killing people either because they're over populated.********
- interesting china lifting that one child law because too many babies of one gender. but ppl dont want more kids there********
- jsut too pricey to raise more then one child, even with their customs********
- population control = fail.
- ********0
I knew Rand was behind 9/11......
- bustedhallelujah
- He invented the internet tooukit
- Rand GorePonyBoy
- DrBombay0
- soldiers do deserve hcare, they dodge bullets, its expensive, better because unlimited resources provided by us********
- but who will pay for the rest of the public? china?********
- simply unfeasable, unless u turn doctors in to slave labours, pop control on elderly, and increase taxes which will create job losses.********
- job loss. want cheaper healthcare, pull incentives, start to demantle social healthcare, open borders for insurers and such********
- competition, cut the worthless overhead, protect doctors from unscrupulus lawsuits, quit helping hospitals against specialist clinics shit liek that********
- specialist clinics that compete with less overhead, lots of little shit like that********
- i beleive obama said in his speechs to find the roots and pull them out, instead of covering them up********
- yea stewart didnt own, just some play on words for entertainment********
- Dude, you're just a bunch of hollow talking points.Josev
- "The direct costs of malpractice lawsuits — jury awards, settlements and the like — are such a minuscule part of health spending" -- 3% or less.Josev
- spending" -- 3% or less.
http://www.nytimes.c…Josev - And regarding "who's going to pay for it", who pays for it now? The Chinese?Josev
- well we do for medicare and such programs and we;re goign broke, and i didnt say one of those things i meant all, and more********
- more. some small some large. start pulling the laws that created the distortions********
- what cost comes from cutting back on such things? vs trillions in spending to cover up the problem for 10-20-30 yrs********
- and i didnt that 60 billion also effects doctor insurance which then effects our insurances and costs.********
- *see that the 60 billion...********
- every other modern country does it...DrBombay
- and every other modern country is beginning to get in trouble with it, finding it unsustainable********
- everythign looks good until it collapses********
- < hahahaha daethboyutopian
- soldiers do deserve hcare, they dodge bullets, its expensive, better because unlimited resources provided by us
- ********0
Spin, spin, spin... but in the wash, Obama is still a fucking liar.
Ooh yes, the TRUTH is slooowwwlllyyy starting to come out, and it's going to be sooo sweet as folks start to connect the dots.
Andersen Book Blows Ayers' Cover on 'Dreams' (updated)
Jack Cashill
In his new book, "Barack and Michelle: Portrait of an American Marriage," Best-selling celebrity journalist, Christopher Andersen, has blown a huge hole in the Obama genius myth without intending to do so.Relying on inside sources, quite possibly Michelle Obama herself, Andersen describes how Dreams came to be published -- just as I had envisioned it in my articles on the authorship of Dreams. With the deadline pressing, Michelle recommended that Barack seek advice from "his friend and Hyde Park neighbor Bill Ayers."
To flesh out his family history, Obama had taped interviews with various family members. Andersen writes, "These oral histories, along with a partial manuscript and a truckload of notes, were given to Ayers." Andersen quotes a Hyde Park neighbor, "Everyone knew they were friends and that they worked on various projects together. It was no secret. Why would it be? People liked them both."
Andersen continues, "In the end, Ayers's contribution to Barack's Dreams From My Father would be significant--so much so that the book's language, oddly specific references, literary devices, and themes would bear a jarring similarity to Ayers's own writing."
More to come!
- ukit0
I thought deathboy's comment on the previous page was crazy and a little bit bigoted, but it looks like he was just a day ahead of the Republican trend.
- Gays should not use the word "marriage"... yes, I agree. Btw, are you gay ukit?********
- haha homosexual socialists********
- Gays should not use the word "marriage"... yes, I agree. Btw, are you gay ukit?
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Oh, the link, just in case you fucktards are in denial.
- BonSeff0
Memo to deathboy,
you are really freaking smart. I'm surprised you are not a Sociological or Econimics Professor at Yale, why are you wasting your time here??
/sarcasm- Obama is a professor though, RIGHT, you rude piece of cacka-poo-poo?********
- stay in your lane angrymob. you are not on our levelBonSeff
- Hahaha, BonSeff has NO answer, once again. Fucking retard.********
- i have my reasons for spending time here, however theyre no concern to you********
- Obama is a professor though, RIGHT, you rude piece of cacka-poo-poo?
- ********0
This guy has a great voice:
- ********0
Just wondering BonSeff, hallelujah, is this a photo of either of you two?
- < That one of the 9/11 hijackers that the Bush adminstration let in to the U.S.utopian
- BonSeff0
you are such a sad homophobe, its awesome.
- Awww... poor BonerSeff... he can't say that he's "married".... booo-hooo...********
- ha - yea there are no gay men like yourself who are married.. ignorant fuckBonSeff
- just embrace your gayness.. you are cheating your wife out of a life with a true heteroBonSeff
- not cool.BonSeff
- BonerSeff, you are such a sad homophobe, its NOT awesome.********
- your aggressiveness on this site is clearly because your wife wont let you PIITB..BonSeff
- But hey- there is always truck stopsBonSeff
- parroting my takes isn't fresh, closet butt secks hopefulBonSeff
- ha - even the fact that you call me "BonerSeff" dude, you are obsessed with the cock!BonSeff
- haDrBombay
- Awww... poor BonerSeff... he can't say that he's "married".... booo-hooo...
- bliznutty0
- mm hmm hmm?zenmasterfoo
- yeah, that's just not right.locustsloth
- BRNK0
Jesus christ. If I had the power to, I would slice off a chunk of this country and give it to all you retarded libertarian get-the-government-out-of-my-lif... motherfuckers and laugh as your infrastructure never materializes. I would laugh when private industry comes and rapes your population because of the absence of regulation. I would laugh as all your houses burn or are pillaged by thieves since the only protection you'd have would be private companies who's loyalties belong to their bottom lines, not your best interests. Then I'd laugh as you all tried to come crawling back into our country and I'd treat you just as shitty as you treat Mexican immigrants. I would laugh.
I'm I vindictive? Probably. Do I care. Fuck no.
- utopian0
Former DNC head Kirk tapped to replace Kennedy
Gov. Deval Patrick named former Democratic Party chairman Paul G. Kirk Jr. to the late Edward Kennedy's Senate seat Thursday and said the rushed, temporary appointment was necessary because the issues before Congress were "too important to Massachusetts for us to be one voice short."
- ********0
Are any of you assholes listening to the PM of Israel address the United (Terrorist) Nations? If not, you should you retarded, Obama loving freaks. You might learn something.
- Is he talking about how great Israel's public health care system is?TheBlueOne
- Is it?********
- 'Tis.
http://en.wikipedia.…TheBlueOne - LOLukit
- Context would be helpful because I've yet to hear anyone here defend Ahmajinedad and holocaust denial.IRNlun6
- ... denial.IRNlun6
- considering they really only half ass adopted it in 1995 hasnt been active long enough to fail hard
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- but also isnt beautiful********
- Ah, so it doesn't fit your little worldview there so you assume it will fail. Well done.TheBlueOne
- Anyway, what particular thing was the Israeli PM blathering on about that was so amazing?TheBlueOne
- medicare and other public systems show huge failure, worldwide. common sense********
- seriosuly why dont u ask your boys to make medicare/medicaid sustainable first********
- common sense to be successful on small scale before expansion********
- Learn to spell, then we can talk about understanding global economicsukit
- way to answer u guys are great at that, denounce something unrelated to deflect********
- national healthcare works in japan, and we owe them trillions. So to say it is a failure is dishonest.DrBombay
- thanks for playing tho!DrBombay
