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- Ramanisky20
stupid is as stupid does
- ********0
so I received yet another piece of email propaganda from the Right this weekend. It really blows my mind on what they conjure up. And what is even worse, that people buy it. We really have a nation of dipshits. Completely shocking.
"New Cook County Correctional Center, Chicago , Illinois
I guess if I ever break the law, I'd better do it in Illinois !
Our military should have it so good!
Once again the taxpayer gets stung.
It also shows that in most cases the quality of life for prisoners has improved considerably from what you might expect.
And I always thought prison was for punishment.!!!!! This is what is wrong here in the USA .
Just in case you ever get these two environments mixed up, this comparison chart should make things a little bit clearer:Let me see now .. who was the Chicago US Senator who helped arrange the funds to build this beautiful "punishment center". Oh yes, it was B. Obama!!! No wonder he sees nothing wrong with the wasted spending in his "Stimulus Plan". "
IT"S NOT EVEN IN THE U.S.A!!!!
The photos, while authentic, do not depict the Cook County Correctional Center in Chicago, contrary to what is claimed in forwarded emails. The facility, located in Leoben, Austria, is theJustice and Detention Center designed by renowned architect Josef Hohensinn.- The fact that they have to completely lie speaks volumes.DrBombay
- what organization did u get the email from? or did u get a left org email about the so called hoax? curious where it generated from********
- originated from********
- it came from the Right. From my Family who is a huge conservative family. They send me shit like this********
- all thi time. And I have to google it and disprove it. I have a ton of these.********
- naw i mean what organization, sure its right but which one********
- Ramanisky20
HAHA .. not the best quality but pretty funny
- ukit0
President Obama talks about the G20 protesters:
"I was always a big believer in - when I was doing organizing before I went to law school - that focusing on concrete, local, immediate issues that have an impact on people's lives is what really makes a difference and that having protests about abstractions [such] as global capitalism or something, generally, is not really going to make much of a difference."
Actually Obama has a pretty good point here that could be applied to most of people who complain about politics and government. People go to these protests and scream and yell, but I bet not that many of them could name their local mayor or legislator.
- haha. any spinster knows the the abstractions make the msot difference. and protesters have to be super overt.********
- haha. any spinster knows the the abstractions make the msot difference. and protesters have to be super overt.
- TheBlueOne0
For a good critique of Obama from the Left, this is a good listen:
- good listen.BonSeff
- At this point, to be brutally realistic about it, there isn't much good to be said for Mr. Obama except, perhaps, that he's better than a Republican.********
- he's better than a Republican.********
- think i'll stop there. those statements tell me its a waste********
- Ah, so you're one of those open-minded conservatives, eh?TheBlueOne
- open minded but i dont read close minded crap. fuck partisanship********
- raf0
Obama considers bloggers threat to newspapers, plans a bailout for the latter.
http://www.businessinsider.com/j…- wow. another socialist action. competition and the dying of other biz is a part of progress.********
- name one impartial blogger.DrBombay
- name one impartial paperraf
- what does that have to do with the gov anti-competition, cant have progress if u want to maintain "status-quo"********
- not too mention we may see a benefit from more smaller independant papers that come out of the death of large ones********
- with better journolism not tied to political campaign financing or other such agendas********
- wow. another socialist action. competition and the dying of other biz is a part of progress.
- DrBombay0
He has a point Raf, it would all turn to opinion. The term "bailout" is really a poor choice in that article as it has such a negative connotation. The term "tax breaks" would be an easier pill to swallow.
- ********0
Do the MATH people!! You fucking Obama loving MORONS!!!!
By the way CFC was an old Idea by Van Jones. Just goes to show you who Barry thinks is so F’N smart!A clunker that travels 12,000 miles a year at 15 mpg uses 800 gallons of gas a year.
A vehicle that travels 12,000 miles a year at 25 mpg uses 480 gallons a year.
So, the average Cash for Clunkers transaction will reduce US gasoline consumption by 320 gallons per year.
They claim 700,000 vehicles so that's 224 million gallons saved per year.
That equates to a bit over 5 million barrels of oil.
5 million barrels is about 5 hours worth of US consumption.
More importantly, 5 million barrels of oil at $70 per barrel costs about $350 million dollars
So, the government paid $3 billion of our tax dollars to save $350 million.
We spent $8.57 also, for every dollar saved.
Such a deal that was!?!?
O-Baaaaaaaaa-maaaaaaaaa!!!
- I would be all for waterboarding you.DrBombay
- you must line yourself up with those crazy crackers who cant spell for shit ...Ramanisky2
- raf0
Tax breaks? The government will own newspapers, restructurized as educational institutions. They will never speak against the hand that feeds.
- Businesses have been getting tax breaks for centuries in America. I think you are forgetting this.DrBombay
- and lots of those businesses never should have. your argument that we're all guilty so it cant be wrong doesnt fly********
- and tax breaks incentives bailout. money will only help them keep afloat and when the handouts die so will they. call that a bailout.********
- that a bailout instead of tax break or other fluff words********
- Have oil companies been being bailed out every year since Reagan?DrBombay
- havent followed oil since reagan. but i doubt they have received money to stay a float cause of competition********
- the point is quite trying to jsutify a wrong with other wrongs********
- 10 billion a year for "exploration" does the US government control those companies? That is my point.DrBombay
- firs tof all this is funding to stay alive, compare it to corn ethanol. and info vs consumer good. and i dont beleive we payu for oil exploration********
- pay for oil exploration, or if we did, its becuase we se lower prices at the tank and mroe tax revenue generated from sales********
- what do tax payers gain from a bailed out bloated news industry, that basically copies blog posts 2 days later********
- BattleAxe0
I agree with these statements
It's bad to reward outdated businesses based on outdated tech.
Just because newspapers go away doesn't mean sources will.all newspapers have already adopted the online medium so there primary income will go away but it is up to them to sink or swim
- primary income of paper adsBattleAxe
- This could be said about fossil fuel companies getting tax breaks also... Just sayin'DrBombay
- The online medium DOESN'T PAYKhurram
- be savvy enough and online pays wellBattleAxe
- Of course Dobs, this applies to any business. With press it is a tricky move as it shapes ppls thoughts.raf
- No newspaper has been able to make the online model pay. I'm sure they would like to here from you BattleAxeKhurram
- Rupert Murdoch is considering the micro-payment model. Closest anyone has come is WSJ.DrBombay
- But their userbase is traditionally affluent professionals.DrBombay
- But it has yet to prove effective for ANYONE. Not while you still have free sources proliferatingKhurram
- It doesn't pay for WSJ. They're trying thigns, but unless its an industry-wide move, they is pissin in't windKhurram
- WSJ is the closest anyone has come is what I said...DrBombay
- but it has yet to prove itself as an effective solution is what i said.Khurram
- I don't know anything that a 17 year old doesn't know already http://www.thomasdem…BattleAxe
- So NYT should start selling Myspace templates?DrBombay
- I see... so ur suggestion for saving the news media is to turn newspaper sites into MySpace templates....Khurram
- I can see it now. The Financial Times: Where all teen girls go for their heart-shapes and smiley cats!Khurram
- if that is what you get out of it,sure, i mainly see adapting trendsBattleAxe
- point is she had something people wanted and made money of ads not the things on her siteBattleAxe
- That was a ridiculous example.DrBombay
- You know what else makes money in the net - PORNKhurram
- Khurram0
what the hell are you basing your hysterical reaction on raf??
- On an ourageous move to grab the press. Not only it's agains the market, but it is a totalitarian step.raf
- lol. Let me rephrase that question: "What the hell are you basing your hysterical reaction on raf?"Khurram
- On the news itself, I can't help if it isn't clear enough for you.raf
- It's not. Looking for an explanation. How do tax incentives lead to totalitarianism?Khurram
- Newspapers never bite their owners, that's natural. They will become Govt's tubes. As if they weren't already.raf
- Interesting. So your argument is, if the media start criticising the government, the government will removeKhurram
- the tax breaks in a flash. The DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED ACCOUNTABLE government would do thisKhurram
- thereby newspaper will become an adjunct to the Minsitry of Information such as in totalitarianism...Khurram
- is this what you based your reaction, which i called hysterical, on?Khurram
- Big media = propaganda = power over thought. People think what the media tells them, at least the majority.raf
- Whoever owns the media, owns power. That's why the rise of independent journalism is so importantraf
- TheBlueOne0
"Do the MATH people!! You fucking Obama loving MORONS!!!! "
Just two post above I link to an hourlong podcast that criticizes Obama for being a corporate puppet, and jerk-o extrodianaire comes blubbering into the thread with "YOU OBAMA LOVING MORONS!!!!".
If that doesn't sum up your level of discourse or commitment to dialogue nothing else does. You certainly aren't engaging, interesting or curious, although you play someone who is on the internet and in your own mind quite well. Passing along Glenn Beck and Limbaugh talking points isn't really politics, but for shits and giggles we'll pretend it is to humor you.
And hey, you know, maybe you'd want to listen to the podcast I posted. Sure it's a leftist critique of Obama, and not sure if you could stomach that, but I think you'd probably find yourself in agreement with about 65% of it.
Why do I bother, all your going to do is come back in later with "HELLO OBAMA-BOTS!! YOU"RE ALL MORONS!!! ARRRGGGHH!! GARBLE GARBLE GARBLE!"
- BonSeff0
I wish angrymob would run around the right wing protesters shouting:
"Do a SPELL CHECK on your signs people, you illiterate crayon scribbling MORONS!" would be more effective use of time I would think.
- Khurram0
Raf i just want to get something straight with regards to your dogmatic free market extremism...
Say there's a government in a country voted in by its people. And the country is facing economic catastrophe, such as that Argentina (once a potential super-power) face at the beginning of the 20th century.
Do you ultimately think that the only morally "liberal" freedom loving thing to do would be to allow the economic catastrophe to happen, thereby retarding the country's economic progress for a century (ala Argentina) allowing the other nations in the world to outstrip it in all indicators of power?
I only raise this point, since reading many economic analysts over the last years, including those of the Chicago school bent, have said that it has been the government internvention which prevented this current economic crisis from turning into the Great Depression of the 1930s when the government didn't intervene.
What say you - mass poverty/suffering/inhumanity a price worth paying to preserve the free market?
- 1.The crisis was caused by govt interventionism in the 1st place (ie.Community Reinvestment Act). It removed the riskraf
- ..necessary for lending institutions not to give bad loans.
raf - 2.We don't know what would happen without bailouts. Poland is one of the of few countries in EU that didn't bail out banksraf
- You didn't answer the question.DrBombay
- out banks, despite plans. It's the only country that registers growth (about 1%)raf
- What I'm saying, mass poverty wasn't coming about, but is a good argument for scaremongeringraf
- You didn't answer the question. D-Khurram
- this argument is old. your using hypothetical mass poverty/suffering/in... no one wants that, but not bailing out doesnt lead to that********
- lead to it. so i say no dont bail out. then we can see what happens.********
- DrBombay0
Is the BBC a mouthpiece of the British government? It is technically owned and paid for by tax money.
- Yesraf
- That's outrageous! The Bay-Bay-Say, i'll have u know, consistently breaks the most embarassing governmentKhurram
- scandalsKhurram
- These free market guys are full of shit.DrBombay
- i think they iz scaremongeringKhurram
- They cannot openly support it, everyone kicks dying Labour, so do they. Also, they know new govt is just around cornerraf
- Yet there is a bias, ie. they always support global warming scam, crafted by govt to sell air aka co2 emission quotas.raf
- Interestingly, there was a time they seemed more objective ie made fantastic documentaries on nature of media http://video.google.…raf
- wait, so now your saying that the BBC can't support a dying goverment even though they are controlled by itKhurram
- ..and are infact "kicking it" while it's down... Just like in a totalitarian state??Khurram
- I didn't think that's how it worked in totalitarian states... but then YOU would know having endured one in the 80sKhurram
- BBC is huge and has a certain inertia, they have to smell the wind ahead. It's survival politics for mgmtraf
- Khurram0
Actually yes, going on from the newspaper argument, and your hysterical reaction re: "This is the first step to stalinism!"
Would you prefer a world where, due to the "invisible hand of the free market" where the news media industry would have collapsed, and this so-called "fourth estate" would have disappeared to be replaced by opinionated bloggers - whom no one trusts, nor pays attention to, nor have the expertise to check the centres of power.
Would you perefer that scenario than say a cash incentive from the tax-payer that would help the industry survive.. what say you?
- Newspapers today produce crap anyway.. and yes I'd like to see bloggers evolve to become online papers.raf
- News media industry moguls aren't good guys, they're the same kind of people who run pharma and oil companies.raf
- I don't pity them, I want to see the rise of independent journalism.raf
- Well you jsut answered a DIFFERENT question. I'm giving you two options:Khurram
- 1) News as is today, 2) No news, but bloggers AS THEY ARE TODAY.Khurram
- of course you coudl say 3) The free market will ALWAYS produce the "morally" best optionKhurram
- I don't get the q. News as today is shifting, Davids beat Goliaths who had monopoly on propaganda so far.raf
- Cost of setting up a paper was prohibitive, hence monopolies. Now you can start online paper anytime.raf
- It is a good shift. Big papers should adapt or die, nothing wrong with that. They weren't objective anyway.raf
- its a retarded question.********
- DrBombay0
Is NHK in Japan a mouthpiece of the Japanese government? It is technically owned and paid for by tax money.
- BattleAxe0
help what industry survive ? the paper business or the news business?
so paper is the only way to get something out there that you can trust?
- I gave two examples of television networks funded by tax money so...DrBombay
- and radio networks, for that matter.DrBombay
- It is all media, you are getting hung up on the delivery system.DrBombay
- no beef there, just with keeping a dead horse (paper) on life supportBattleAxe
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