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- lowimpakt0
a true capitalist is an anarchist.
they share similar ideologies but expect different outcomes.
- I would disagree, only bc a capitalist would look to seek to lock in his source of rentTheBlueOne
- capitalists would seek to maximize and expand their position based on market shareTheBlueOne
- An real anrchist I think would tend to not want the system to trend towards any equlibrium on principle.TheBlueOne
- yea and capitalist follow rationale with goals and such, anarchists are jsut emo kids w/ no responsibility********
- you really have never picked up a book have you?TheBlueOne
- TheBlueOne0
Here's an American Citizen meeting Arlen Specter:
She's just become interested in politics. At the end of her interview there she says "I don't want to have to wait in line for toilet paper."
Huh. What a weird idea? Where did that come from. Oh both Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck ranted about "America will turn into Cuba where we have to wait on line for toilet paper!" yesterday. Yesterday.
And then she shows up today on Fox as a concerned citizen and says the exact same thing. And...hmm...oh...she certainly listend to Glenn Beck:
http://www.meetup.com/members/35…
I mean, hell, I'm glad shit is fucked up enough in Katy's mind that she just started paying attention. I started that when the first Bush was in office, so Katy, dear, I have a twenty year head start on you. And I don't listen to anyone in the media to tell me what to think. I celebrate your awakening to politics, but I suggest you expand past repeating whatever you hear the big fat white guys say on teevee. You know where else people repeat what the TV tells them to say? Cuba.
- ukit0
So none of you guys heard yet about the tea bagger who stood outside Obama's townhall today with a loaded gun?
No worries, just a law-abiding citizen exercising his right to scare the crap out of people.
- Sorry...tea party person. I actually didn't mean to be like that lolukit
- Well, arguably, he IS within his rights.TheBlueOne
- The scarier thing is the ones that show there guns really don't use them. It's the ones you don't see that you have to worry about.TheBlueOne
- worry about.TheBlueOne
- Oh no doubt. Bad form when dealing with a guy who gets dozens of assasination threats a day? Maybe.ukit
- Well, we can't all be rocket scientists you know.TheBlueOne
- haha, Yeah I heard about that.DrBombay
- Chris Matthews made that guy look like an idiot:
http://tinyurl.com/o…Josev
- BattleAxe0
I belive Insurance companies are a huge problem in Health care, if you "Reform" and you don't get rid of the problem then what did you reform ?
not only do they stay around, they get your money directly and they get your Tax money indirectly , and premiums always go up because of the "rising cost of health care" , but why? same flu shot , same hospital bed. maybe inflation has something to do with it no?so while my payment may go down today, tomorrow who knows...
- You're one of those guys... If I can't have it all, leave it alone. Status Quo JoeDrBombay
- you don't get itBattleAxe
- your so called Reform is the Status quo idiotBattleAxe
- ahh no it isn't. If you think everyone will get medicare, all at once. you are on rocks.DrBombay
- i think a huge problem is the problem has yet to be identified.********
- i'm on rocksPonyBoy
- DrBombay0
Now seriously, outline how you think your perfect plan would lay out. Insurance would be abolished? Are you on the pipe?
- http://imgur.com/Fbt…BattleAxe
- You're dreaming. Go from the current form to medicare for all in one shot. Yeah right.DrBombay
- " I have a dream"BattleAxe
- DrBombay0
That is another question, if you are indeed on the pipe, how will it effect your benefits under the public option ;)
- TheBlueOne0
If you morons don't see what's getting inflammed here...I remember back in the Clinton administration this shit was whispered about. Now it's on mainstream, right leaning websites. Lou Dobbs talks about it on his radio show. Bad shit's coming.
http://forums.wnd.com/index.php?…
Just like the pre-cursor nazi brown shirts ginned up their victimhood and an appeal to the old volk, these people are using victimhood and appealing to the pre-civil war america. It's coming. I express that with a high level of certainty as a student of history. Before the next 12 months goes by we are going to see a level of homegrown political violence stirred up. Lots. And then things will get really, really fucking interesting. In a ruin your fucking day kind of interesting.
- Sorry, didn't mean morons there in that way...was directing it more at the general clueless population.TheBlueOne
- good god.********
- DrBombay0
I watched a doc on the Aryan Nation, Ruby Ridge and Oklahoma city last week. This shit all sounds very close to that stuff.
- Government is getting too much control, Liberals, Socialism, they're taking our guns, raceDrBombay
- Yup.TheBlueOne
- ukit0
How Conservatives Are Blowing Their Chance
http://politics.theatlantic.com/…
At this same hour last week, several of the President's top political advisers were meeting in a White House conference room to discuss the appearance, over the first weekend in August, of a coordinated effort to scare Democratic lawmakers who planned to attend town hall meetings into a state of panic.
A week later, and the Atlantic's tricorder readings are picking up much calmer electromagnetic energy from the White House. Getting Democrats to attend the town hall meetings was really an intermediate goal. But Democrats are beginning to notice that opponents of health care reform have discredited themselves.
They ramped up much too quickly. When smaller, conservative groups Astroturfed, they inevitably brought to the meetings the type of Republican activist who was itching for a fight and who would use the format to vent frustrations at President Obama himself. There were plenty of activists who really wanted to know about health care, and some who were probably misinformed -- scared out of their chairs -- to some degree, but the loudest voices tended to be the craziest, the most extreme, the least sensible, and the most easy to mock.
The American people remain anxious and confused about health care reform. That is an underlying reality that Republican activists are so eager to exploit. But doing so required a certain restraint -- and a willingness to traffic in at least approximate truths -- and an ability to make distinctions within their own ranks about which tactics were valid and which tactics were venomous. It also required a sophistication about the media.
- ********0
Here are some more facts on American social customs against socialism. As we all know americans have an irrational taboo against socialism -- sort of like homosexuality in muslim countries, except that americans are tenfold more stubborn and downright stupid. Arabs don't come close.
Everyone heard the story of octomom Nadya Suleman. Nadya Suleman has a Bachelor of Science degree in child and adolescent development, fairly good looking too
She gave birth to 8 children -- having 6 from before, I think. American media started a savage war against her, not unlike the OJ Simpson case. Since Nadya Suleman was unemployed and lived on welfare, the media made her american enemy no 1. Poor mother was constantly haunted by maniacs, people threatened to kill her, to damage her property, smashed her car with a chair, and promised to tear out her uterus.
Woman, who made a website site about Nadya Suleman, received 55000 emails with promises to cut her in pieces and to tear out her uterus. Also the same messages by phone.
http://articles.latimes.com/2009…The great American collective subconsciousness. And why, all because american shiteating nits hate everyone who lives on benefits. Because it's "their money" and because "socialist tyranny"
During the elections, a man by the name Joe the Plumber, came to an Obama meeting and said that he was a simple man, a plumber, and that he will enchant everyone with his opinions -- from his (plumber's) point of view. The simple man said that he was outraged that Obama wants to take money form simple American people and spend it on benefits. Then the simple man (a plumber) had several thousand interviews in which he told the whole truth about the dangers of socialism, and that he was not willing to spend his money on benefits. Subsequently, it turned out he was no plumber, but lived on benefits.
Now he is famous for writing memoirs and lectures on the dangers of socialism -- from the point of view of the common man (a plumber).
http://www.amazon.com/Joe-Plumbe…
I haven't read it myself, and am not going to, but I urge everyone to buy a copy of this book, the absolute and complete essence of american thought (from the point of view of the common man -- a plumber)People like these, plumbers in America constitute half of the population.
I agree that ordinary people cannot wait for the mercy of the authorities, but seek it by force -- in form of grants, higher wages, anything. But the Americans for some reason are convinced that if they kiss ass and play along, rich people will notice them and as appoint them as supervisors. Some, of course, are lucky.
The psychological meaning of libertarianism is this -- libertarianism is a manifestation of a bum, who is convinced that if he loudly demands lower (!) wages, the bosses will like him and will certainly increase his wages.
Human cattle. Burn the whole continent with napalm and sow it with one meter thick layer of salt -- so that no life ever grows out again.
- Why the hostility?Mimio
- He wants America to die.TheBlueOne
- ...except for Octomom, who he finds strangely attractive.TheBlueOne
- For some reason I find it kinda funny that drgs knows about the octomomukit
- i'd bang the octomomJonnyPompa
- ukit0
For some reason, the health care debate has made it to the U.K., with people defending the government health care system from attack by American conservatives and "NHS" hitting #6 topic on Twitter.
- ********0
Anti-socialism in America is a psychological tendency.
People who are on lower levels of the Maslow's hierarchy of needs are socially dangerous and must be destroyed one way or
another, optimally by suicide and voluntary donation of their own bodies to a bioreactor, for conversion to compost or methane gas -- the only use which can be extracted from shiteaters.Ive already talked about this subject many times. Shiteaters is not just a foul word, but an etomological and sociological phenomenon, well studied by scientists. In sociology shiteaters are called right-wing authoritarianism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rig…"Although authoritarians in North America generally support conservative political parties, this finding must be considered in a historical and cultural context. For example, during the Cold War, authoritarians in the United States were usually anti-communist, whereas in the Soviet Union, authoritarians generally supported the Communist Party and were opposed to capitalism.[10] Thus, authoritarians generally favor the established ways and oppose social and political change."
As in Freudian theory, anal complexes result from toilet training experiences and tend to involve retentiveness, stubbornness and aggression. Freud even interpreted money as a sublimation of feces. It is important to understand that we are dealing with shiteaters -- literally. Windows users, defenders of copyrights laws, people who buy music for money on the internet -- are literally coprophags.
Shiteaters are people who are severely traumatized by poverty and domestic disorder in their childhood, and all manifestations of anal passions such as to delineate the property rights, to worship a strong power are all very typical right-wing tendencies.
Octomom, by the way, with a scholarly degree, is on the top of the Maslows pyramid busy self-actualizing herself and couldn't give a fuck about the society of plumbers.
- Your defense of octomom, who has really deep psych issues, is disturbing...TheBlueOne
- ..but coming from you, I am not too surprised. Oh, and um, death to america! or whateverTheBlueOne
- jeez********
- ********0
You're all wasting your time here, again? My goodness, what a bunch of pinko suckers you are, especially Ukit. Ukit, you need to get a grip on yourself. You remind me of a little rich punk.
Yep, I keep checking back to see if there is something of substance being discussed here, but, once again, I am less than impressed, or should I say amused? Well, o.k., both.
Back to work now. Have to earn as much money as I can, before Obama steals it all.
- < Just kidding guys, this was just a troll login name I createdukit
- Don't you have a gun to take to a presidential rally or something?TheBlueOne
- Ramanisky20
this shit LOL'd me the other night .. stupid Fox News Channel
- You might as well laugh, if you can't cry about your money being wasted? Sounds good to me.********
- dude that guy is a total choadgobbler .. i want to punch his stupid faceRamanisky2
- choadgobber, LOL5timuli
- You might as well laugh, if you can't cry about your money being wasted? Sounds good to me.
- robotron3k0
wonder if this is real...
- see the onion logo?mathinc
- yeah... youtube logo was covering up...robotron3k
- lowimpakt0
going back to my anarchist point above...
i'd like to explain that.... ah fuck it.... here's a wiki link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ana…
"Anarcho-capitalism (a form of free-market anarchism),[1] is an individualist anarchist[2] political philosophy that advocates the elimination of the state and the elevation of the sovereign individual in a free market. In an anarcho-capitalist society, law enforcement, courts, and all other security services are provided by voluntarily-funded competitors such as private defense agencies rather than through compulsory taxation, and money is privately produced in an open market. Because personal and economic activities are regulated by the natural laws of the market through private law rather than through politics, victimless crimes and crimes against the state would be rendered moot."
- anarcho-capitalism is different from anarchism. Earliest forms of anarchism were closer to socialism or collectivism...TheBlueOne
- e.g. http://en.wikipedia.…TheBlueOne
- Anarcho-capitalism is essentially a 1960's american invention and is closer to certain libertarian economic thoughtsTheBlueOne
- theories..like the Austrian school...TheBlueOne
- hell i dont even like the sound of that. jsutice system is voluntarily funded competitors....********
- Anarcho-capitalism :
http://www.qbn.com/t…********
- zman0
you know lowimpakt I had the same thought about capatalism and anarchism just the other day when someone on the radio happened to mention "there is no 'free market'" . I'm trying to remember the context, it was something on democracynow. In order for the true ideal of a free market to exist the government would have to mind its own business.
- Then there is no free market.TheBlueOne
- Freedom in any social sphere exists only within an agreed upon area.TheBlueOne
- Outside of that, nature rules, thus he who has gets and their is no equality or freedom.TheBlueOne
- yea a complete free market would destroy itself, but when they say free market they dont mean utopian.********
- like for example, no gov, no anti monopoly. a monopoly on a important resource, or collective fucks people********
- the idea free market is applied i think, becuase gov is way too involved causing mroe problems********
- and pretty, pretty pretty close freemarket doesnt have the same zing********
- gov responsible for healthcare increases back in ww2 when they capped pay, leading to employer based insurance********
- i think that had to have had a huge impact on growth of an insurance industry, companies afford mor ethen private********
- raising cost for private plans. i have no evidence, but def soemthign to look into.********
- regardless free market pertains mainly to the original US constitution BOR stuff. when gov is limited********
- and not like a strong athens where gov rules by majority rule regardless of rights violations********
- TheBlueOne0
http://www.tvnewslies.org/html/d…
"A Day in the Life of Joe Middle-Class Republican"
Joe gets up at 6:00am to prepare his morning coffee. He fills his pot full of good clean drinking water because some liberal fought for minimum water quality standards. He takes his daily medication with his first swallow of coffee. His medications are safe to take because some liberal fought to insure their safety and work as advertised.
All but $10.00 of his medications are paid for by his employers medical plan because some liberal union workers fought their employers for paid medical insurance, now Joe gets it too. He prepares his morning breakfast, bacon and eggs this day. Joe’s bacon is safe to eat because some liberal fought for laws to regulate the meat packing industry.
Joe takes his morning shower reaching for his shampoo; His bottle is properly labeled with every ingredient and the amount of its contents because some liberal fought for his right to know what he was putting on his body and how much it contained. Joe dresses, walks outside and takes a deep breath. The air he breathes is clean because some tree hugging liberal fought for laws to stop industries from polluting our air. He walks to the subway station for his government subsidized ride to work; it saves him considerable money in parking and transportation fees. You see, some liberal fought for affordable public transportation, which gives everyone the opportunity to be a contributor.
Joe begins his work day; he has a good job with excellent pay, medicals benefits, retirement, paid holidays and vacation because some liberal union members fought and died for these working standards. Joe’s employer pays these standards because Joe’s employer doesn’t want his employees to call the union. If Joe is hurt on the job or becomes unemployed he’ll get a worker compensation or unemployment check because some liberal didn’t think he should loose his home because of his temporary misfortune.
Its noon time, Joe needs to make a Bank Deposit so he can pay some bills. Joe’s deposit is federally insured by the FDIC because some liberal wanted to protect Joe’s money from unscrupulous bankers who ruined the banking system before the depression.
Joe has to pay his Fannie Mae underwritten Mortgage and his below market federal student loan because some stupid liberal decided that Joe and the government would be better off if he was educated and earned more money over his life-time.
Joe is home from work, he plans to visit his father this evening at his farm home in the country. He gets in his car for the drive to dads; his car is among the safest in the world because some liberal fought for car safety standards. He arrives at his boyhood home. He was the third generation to live in the house financed by Farmers Home Administration because bankers didn’t want to make rural loans. The house didn’t have electric until some big government liberal stuck his nose where it didn’t belong and demanded rural electrification. (Those rural Republican’s would still be sitting in the dark)
He is happy to see his dad who is now retired. His dad lives on Social Security and his union pension because some liberal made sure he could take care of himself so Joe wouldn’t have to. After his visit with dad he gets back in his car for the ride home.
He turns on a radio talk show, the host’s keeps saying that liberals are bad and conservatives are good. (He doesn’t tell Joe that his beloved Republicans have fought against every protection and benefit Joe enjoys throughout his day) Joe agrees, "We don’t need those big government liberals ruining our lives; after all, I’m a self made man who believes everyone should take care of themselves, just like I have".
- lowimpakt0
it's funny the way the US right wing press propaganda machine is targetting the UK NHS in their campaign against government support health care.
their stupidity is only matched ny there ignorance.
one of the funnier stories I picked up off the Register
"in perhaps the most amusing effort to discredit US President Barack Obama's plan for nationalized health care - if not the most ridiculous - US financial newspaper Investor's Business Daily has said that if Stephen Hawking were British, he would be dead.
...........
"People such as scientist Stephen Hawking wouldn't have a chance in the UK, where the National Health Service would say the life of this brilliant man, because of his physical handicaps, is essentially worthless."
The paper has since been notified that Hawking is both British and still among the living. And it has edited the editorial, acknowledging that the original version incorrectly represented the whereabouts of perhaps the world's most famous scientific mind. But it has not acknowledged that its mention of Hawking misrepresented the NHS as well.
"I wouldn’t be here today if it were not for the NHS," Hawking told The Guardian. "I have received a large amount of high-quality treatment without which I would not have survived.""
- TheBlueOne0
Protest 2006 Style:
"WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Peace activist Cindy Sheehan was arrested Tuesday in the House gallery after refusing to cover up a T-shirt bearing an anti-war slogan before President Bush's State of the Union address."
Protest 2009:
"NBC - Outside the event where President Obama will conduct his town hall, there is an anti-Obama protestor with a gun -- a pistol strapped to his lower leg. The local police chief said it's legal for the man to have a registered handgun -- as long as it is not concealed. What's more, he is on private property, a church yard, which has given him permission to be there."
Funny how that works. In my mind, both would be legal under the Constitution, but one gets arrested. And it ain't the rightwingers.
Yup. Definitely we're living in a socialist lefty wonderland alright. It's obvious.
*coughs into sleeve.
- agreed.. + handgun fundie dude didn't lose a son in an unjust warBonSeff
- I was witing for someone to make a comparison like this. I don't get it, a T-shirt is more threatening than a firearm.Josev
- Well, BOTH are protected in the BoR, so yeah, probabaly..TheBlueOne