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Obama will be assassinated within the first year. McCain is going to die soon, because hes old. EItherway america is stuck with Biden or Palin
- ukit0
The country by country results are actually kinda interesting....sorry for the long post:P
Brazil
By a six-to-one margin, a majority of Brazilians prefer Barack Obama over John McCain. Many more Brazilians believe that Obama’s election would improve US relations with the rest of the world than believe McCain’s election would improve relations.
• A slight majority (51%) prefer Barack Obama as US president compared to very few who would prefer John McCain (8%).
• Nearly half of Brazilians (48%) say US relations with the rest of the world would improve under Obama, while just 5per cent feel they would become worse. Conversely, only 18 per cent say relations would improve under McCain, while 38 per cent feel they would remain they same and 12 per cent believe they would become worse.
• Thirty-seven per cent say that the election of Barack Obama, an African-American man, would fundamentally change their perception of the United States, while 32 per cent disagree, saying that it would not change their perception.
Canada
A large majority of Canadians prefer Barack Obama be elected president. Among NATO allies Canadians are the most optimistic that US relations with the rest of the world would improve if Obama became president. Canadians most commonly say US relations with the rest of the world would remain the same if McCain were to be elected.
• Two-thirds (66%) of Canadians say they would prefer Barack Obama be elected president of the United States, while just 14 per cent favour John McCain.
• A very large majority (69%) takes the view that US relations would improve under Barack Obama, while 16 per cent say they would stay the same and just 6 per cent believe they would become worse. Only 25 per cent say relations would improve if McCain were elected, and many believe relations would stay the same (44%) or become worse (20%).
• Fifty-four per cent say that their perception of the United States would fundamentally change if Barack Obama, an African-American, were to be elected US president, although 37 per cent disagree, saying that their perception would not change.
Mexico
By a three-to-one margin, a majority of Mexicans favour Barack Obama over John McCain. A majority believe that US relations with the rest of the world would improve if Obama were to be elected president, while the most common view is that a McCain election would not lead to change.
• Fifty-four per cent would support the election of Barack Obama over John McCain, who is only favoured by 16 per cent of Mexicans.
• A majority (53%) believes US relations with the rest of the world will improve under Obama, while 28 per cent feel they would stay the same and just 6 per cent feel they would become worse. In contrast, only 20 per cent say US relations will improve if McCain is elected, while the most common view (42%) is they would stay the same and 24 per cent believe they would become worse.
• Six in 10 (60%) say that the election of Barack Obama, an African-American man, would fundamentally change their perception of the United States, while just 19 per cent disagree, saying that it would not change their perception.
Panama
The Panamanian public prefers the election of Barack Obama by a three-to-one margin and tends to believes that America’s relations with other countries would improve if Obama were elected. The largest number says relations would stay the same if McCain were elected.
• Panamanians most commonly prefer to see Barack Obama elected US president over John McCain (43% to 15%).
• Nearly half (48%) say that US relations with the rest of the world would improve under Barack Obama, although 18 per cent say relations would remain the same and a few say they would worsen (5%). If John McCain were elected, Panamanians most commonly say relations would remain the same (31%), compared to those who say America’s relations with the rest of the world would improve (23%) or worsen (12%).
• Forty-seven per cent say their perception of the US would fundamentally change if Barack Obama, an African-American man, were elected president Just 19 per cent say that it would not change their perception.
USA
Like the rest of the world, Americans tend to believe an Obama presidency would improve relations with the rest of the world and under a McCain presidency they would stay largely the same. However, most Americans disagree that electing an African-American man would fundamentally change their perception of their country.
• Forty-six per cent take the view that America’s relations with the rest of the world would improve under Barack Obama, though more say they would become worse (27%) than say they would stay they same (19%). Americans most commonly say relations with the rest of the world would stay the same under John McCain (41%), more so than those who say they would improve (30%) or become worse (22%).
• Asked whether their perception of the US would fundamentally change if Barack Obama, an African-American man, would be elected president, 50 per cent disagree (34% strongly), saying that it would not, while 32 per cent agree, saying that it would.
France
France has the fifth-largest majority favouring the election of Barack Obama as US president, and the fourth largest majority saying that it would improve US relations with the rest of the world. Only a modest majority says the election of an African-American president would fundamentally change their perception of the US.
• An overwhelming number in France (69%) prefer Barack Obama to be elected US president compared to those who favour John McCain (6%), the second-smallest number out of all publics polled.
• A majority (62%) believes US relations with the rest of the world would get better if Barack Obama were elected, while 21 per cent say they would stay the same and very few (3%) say the would become worse. In contrast, the French most commonly say America’s relations would stay the same under McCain (43%), while more say relations would get worse than improve (24% to 15%).
• A modest majority (53%) says their perception of the US would fundamentally change if Barack Obama, an African-American man, were elected US president, although 37 per cent say that it would not change their perception.
Germany
Germans have one of the largest majorities saying US relations with the rest of the world would improve under an Obama presidency and are among the largest majorities saying relations would remain the same under John McCain. Nine times as many Germans favour Obama than favour McCain.
• Sixty-five per cent in Germany would prefer to see Barack Obama elected president of the US, while just 7 per cent would prefer to see John McCain elected.
• More than 61 per cent say America’s relations with the rest of the world would improve in an Obama presidency, while 28 per cent say they would stay the same and 4 per cent say they would worsen. A majority (53%) believes the status of America’s relations would remain the same under McCain, similar proportions feel relations would improve (20%) or get worse (16%).
• Asked whether their perception of the US would fundamentally change if Barack Obama, an African-American, were elected US president, 52 per cent of Germans say that it would, and 27 per cent say that it would not.
United Kingdom
By more than a six-to-one margin, a majority in the United Kingdom would prefer to see Barack Obama elected president instead of John McCain. Britons are among the largest majorities saying that America’s relations with the rest of the world would remain the same under John McCain, while a majority says they would improve under Obama.
• Fifty-nine per cent of Britons would favour the election of Barack Obama as US president compared to 9 per cent that would favour John McCain.
• A majority (54%) believes than an Obama presidency would improve America’s relations with the rest of the world, while 28% feel relations would remain the same and just 4 per cent feel they would become worse. However, a similar number (52%) believe relations would remain the same under a McCain presidency, while far fewer say relations would improve or worsen (14% each).
• Britons most commonly believe (46%) that their perception of the United States would fundamentally change if Barack Obama, an African-American, were elected president: 38 per cent disagree.
Italy
Italy has the second-largest majority favouring the election of Barack Obama as US president and a large majority believes America’s relations with the rest of the world would improve under an Obama presidency. Italians are among the largest majorities that say US relations with the rest of the world would stay the same if John McCain were elected president.
• More than three in four (76%) in Italy would prefer to see Barack Obama elected US president, while just 12 per cent would prefer to see the election of John McCain.
• A majority (64%) says that the election of Barack Obama would improve US relations with the rest of the world, while 20% say they would stay the same and just 5 per cent feel they would become worse. In contrast, a slight majority (53%) says America’s relations with the rest of the world would be unchanged under a McCain presidency, with much fewer saying relations would improve (13%) or worsen (16%).
• Asked whether the election of Barack Obama, an African-American man, as US president would fundamentally change their perception of the US, Italians are divided, with 43 per cent saying it would change their perception, and 44 per cent saying it would not.
Poland
Among Europeans, Poles are relatively lukewarm in their preference for Barack Obama becoming the next US president. Still, Poles favour him over John McCain by a three-to-one margin, although many say they do not have a preferred candidate. Poles are also unique among Europeans because they are divided on whether America’s relations would improve or stay the same under Barack Obama. Poland has the largest majority saying their perception of the US would not fundamentally change if an African-American were elected US president.
• Thirty-eight per cent of Poles would like to see Barack Obama elected US president while just 13 per cent say they prefer John McCain and 49 per cent do not express an opinion.
• Poles are divided on whether America’s relations with the world would improve if Obama were elected US president (33%) or whether they would largely stay the same (31%), though just 4 per cent feel they would become worse. Poles most commonly would see relations staying the same under a McCain presidency (41%), while 12 per cent say relations would improve and 6 per cent feel they would become worse.
• A majority of Poles (60%) say that their perception of the US would not fundamentally change if Barack Obama, an African-American, were elected US president, while just 14 per cent say that it would.
Russia
Unlike most countries, Russia has one of the few publics for which the most common view is that US relations with the rest of the world will stay the same regardless of whether Barack Obama or John McCain becomes president. Russians express a slight preference for Barack Obama to be elected over John McCain, but a large majority—the largest of all countries polled—chooses not to offer an opinion.
• More Russians would prefer to see Barack Obama elected (18%) than John McCain (7%), but a large majority of Russians most commonly do not express a preference (75%).
• Though many decline to answer, 22 per cent of Russians say that America’s relations with the rest of the world would remain the same under an Obama presidency, rather than say they would improve (11%) or worsen (6%). Similarly, 21 per cent say relations would remain unchanged under McCain, while only 10 per cent say they would improve and 8 per cent say they would worsen.
• Asked whether their fundamental perception of the US would change if Barack Obama, an African-American man, were to become US president, 17 per cent say it would, while 26 per cent say it would not.
MIDDLE EAST
Egypt
Egyptians are more likely to prefer Obama over McCain as US president, but by one of the smallest margins; a majority does not take a position. Egyptians are one of the few publics that tend to believe US relations with the rest of the world would remain the same in an Obama or McCain presidency, although more believe relations would improve under Obama than believe they will improve under McCain. Egyptians have one of the largest majorities who say that if Obama, as an African-American were elected this would fundamentally change their view of the United States.
• About a quarter (26%) of Egyptians would prefer to see Barack Obama elected as US president, while just 13 per cent would like to see John McCain elected.
• The most common view among Egyptians (34%) is that if Obama were elected president, US relations with the rest of the world would stay about the same, although 29 per cent believe that America’s relations with the rest of the world would improve and 10 per cent think that they would worsen. Egyptians most commonly say US relations with the rest of the world would either stay about the same (40%) or worsen (21%) under McCain, while only 11 per cent think that US relations with the rest of the world would improve under McCain.
10• A large majority of Egyptians (65%) believe that the election of an African American as US president would fundamentally change their perception of the US, while 21 per cent disagree.
Lebanon
Like other publics polled, the Lebanese public would prefer to see Obama elected, however they are among the publics with the largest numbers saying US relations with the rest of the world would stay the same under either Obama or John McCain. However, more Lebanese say relations would improve under an Obama presidency than say relations would improve with McCain as president.
• The number of Lebanese who prefer to see Barack Obama elected as president of the US (39%) is more than those who prefer to see John McCain elected (27%).
• Lebanese people most commonly believe that US relations with the rest of the world would remain unchanged if Obama were elected president (42%), although a significant number (30%) says these relations would improve, while 18 per cent says they would worsen. Nearly half (48%) say US relations with the rest of the world would stay about the same if McCain were elected, and only 18 per cent say relations would improve and 21 per cent say they would worsen.
• A slight majority (51%) of Lebanese say that their perception of the US would not fundamentally change if Barack Obama, an African American man, were elected as US president. 34 per cent agree that it would change their perception of the US.
Turkey
Turkey is the only country polled where significantly more people think that US relations would worsen under an Obama presidency than a McCain presidency. Nonetheless, curiously, among those who express a preference for a candidate, Turks tend to prefer Obama over McCain.
• About a quarter (26%) of Turks would want to see Barack Obama become elected as US president, while only 11 per cent would prefer John McCain. A majority (63%), however, do not provide a position.
• Although many decline to offer an opinion, more Turks say America’s relations with the rest of the world would likely worsen (28%) if Obama were elected president than those who say they would worsen under McCain (17%). More Turks also say the election of McCain would mean US relations with the rest of the world would stay the same (26%) compared to the number that hold this view about an Obama presidency (21%). Significantly fewer believe relations would improve under either Obama (11%) or McCain (15%).
• Asked whether their perception of the US would change if an African American were elected president of the US, Turks most commonly say that it would not (39%), while just 19 per cent say that their perception of the US would fundamentally change if Obama were elected president.
UAE
Among Middle Eastern publics, Emiratis are the most numerous in their preference for seeing Barack Obama elected US president. Compared to other publics in the region, Emiratis are also the most likely to think that his election would result in improved US relations with the rest of the world.
• A significant number of Emiratis (46%) would want to see Barack Obama elected US president, while only 13 per cent prefer John McCain.
• People in the UAE most commonly say America’s relations with the rest of the world would improve under Obama (40%), while only 10 per cent think that it would worsen, and 21 per cent say it would remain the same. A McCain presidency would mean US relations with the rest of the world would stay the same to one-third of Emiratis (32%), more than those who say relations would improve (16%) or deteriorate (18%).
• Forty-two per cent of Emiratis say that the election of Barack Obama, an African-American man, would not fundamentally change their perceptions of the US, while 22 per cent think that it would change their perception of the US.
AFRICA
Kenya
Kenya (where Barack Obama’s father was born and where many of his relatives live) has the largest majority saying they prefer to see Barack Obama elected US president out of any public polled. Kenya also has the largest majority that believes America’s relations with the rest of the world will improve if Obama becomes president.
• An overwhelming majority of Kenyans (87%) favour Barack Obama as president of the US, while only 5 per cent would prefer John McCain.
• Eighty-seven per cent of Kenyans believe America’s relations with the rest of the world would improve under an Obama presidency, while just 8 per cent say they would stay the same, and a mere 2 per cent say they would worsen. Conversely, Kenyans most commonly see relations staying the same under John McCain (45%), while more say they would worsen (29%) than improve (17%).
• A very large majority (86%) of Kenyans say that their perception of the US would fundamentally change if Barack Obama, an African-American, were to be elected president, including 54 per cent who strongly agree. Only 11 per cent disagree, saying that their perception would not change.
Nigeria
Nigerians are among the publics that most widely favour Barack Obama being elected US president over John McCain. Nigeria also has the second-largest majority that believes an Obama presidency would improve relations with the rest of the world.
• Two-thirds (66%) would prefer to see Barack Obama elected US president, while just 11 per cent would prefer John McCain.
• A large majority (71%) believes that America’s relations with the rest of the world would improve if Obama were elected president, while just 8 per cent say they will stay the same, and 5 per cent feel they would worsen. In contrast, only 31 per cent of Nigerians feel relations would improve under a McCain presidency, while 25 per cent say they would stay the same, and 23 per cent feel they would become worse.
• Nearly seven in 10 (69%) say that their perception of the US would change if Barack Obama, an African-American man, were to be elected president; only 12 per cent disagree.
ASIA/PACIFIC
Australia
Australia has among the largest majorities favouring Barack Obama’s election as US president and saying America’s relations with the rest of the world would improve under an Obama presidency.
• Two-thirds (67%) of Australians favour Barack Obama, while only 13 per cent prefer to see John McCain elected US president.
• If Obama were elected president, a majority of Australians (62%) say America’s relations with the rest of the world would improve, 19 per cent say they would stay about the same, and 5 per cent say that they would become worse. Under a McCain presidency, Australians most frequently say these relations would not change (45%), though 21 per cent say they would improve and 15 per cent say they would worsen.
• Most Australians (59%) say that their perception of the US would fundamentally change if Barack Obama, an African-American man, were to be elected president; 30 per cent disagree.
China
Although more Chinese would prefer to see Barack Obama elected US president over John McCain, half do not offer an opinion. However, the Chinese most commonly say US relations with the rest of the world would improve under either an Obama or McCain presidency.
• More Chinese say they would prefer Obama (35%) than McCain (15%) as US president, although half decline to offer an opinion.
• Thirty-nine per cent believe American relations with other countries would improve under Obama, compared to 20 per cent who believe they would remain the same and only 6 per cent who say they would worsen. Similarly, under a McCain presidency, 31 per cent of Chinese polled believe relations would become better, 23 per cent say they would remain the same, and 10 per cent feel they would become worse.
• A slightly majority (52%) says that electing Barack Obama, an African-American, US president would fundamentally change their perception of the US; only 12 per cent disagree.
India
Indians prefer Barack Obama as the next US president to John McCain by a relatively narrow margin compared to other publics, with many choosing not to express a preference. Indians most commonly say that America’s relations with the rest of the world would improve under either an Obama or McCain presidency.
• A quarter of Indians (24%) say Barack Obama is their preferred candidate, while only 15 per cent express support for John McCain.
• Indians most commonly see US relations with the rest of the world improving under an Obama presidency (45%), compared to those that say they would stay the same (17%) or become worse (10%). Similarly, Indians most commonly say relations would improve with McCain elected president (35%), while 19 per cent say they would stay the same and 16 per cent feel they would worsen.
• Indians tend to say that their perception of the US would fundamentally change if Obama, an African-American, were elected US president: 40 per cent say it would change their perception, while only 24 per cent say it would not.
Indonesia
Four times as many Indonesians would favour Barack Obama over John McCain as US president. Far more Indonesians say they would foresee improvement in America’s relations with the rest of the world under an Obama presidency than those who believe it would improve under McCain.
• Indonesians most commonly prefer to see Obama elected US president (46%), while just 11 per cent would favour the election of McCain.
• Forty-six per cent think America’s relations with the rest of the world would improve with Obama as president, compared to just 15 per cent who say these relations would stay about the same and 3 per cent who think they would worsen. Under a McCain presidency, more say relations would stay about the same (28%) than say they would get better (17%) or deteriorate (14%).
• Half (50%) of Indonesians say that their perception of the US would fundamentally change were Obama, an African-American man, elected president—only 8 per cent disagree.
Philippines
A relatively high number of Filipinos favour John McCain in the US presidential election; however twice as many still favour the election of Barack Obama as president. More believe that an Obama presidency would improve America’s relations with the rest of the world than those who say they would improve under McCain.
• Forty-six per cent of Filipinos would favour Barack Obama as president of the US, while 22 per cent would favour John McCain.
• Four out of 10 (39%) believe American’s relations with the rest of the world would improve if Obama were to be elected, with 17 per cent saying they would stay the same and just 6 per cent saying they would worsen. However, one-third (32%) says they would remain the same under a McCain presidency, with 20 per cent saying they would improve and only 4 per cent saying they would worsen.
• Slightly more than half (51%) of Filipinos say that if Obama, an African-American, were elected president it would fundamentally change their perception of the US. Just 11 per cent disagree, saying that such a result would not change their perception.
Singapore
Four times as many Singaporeans express a preference for Barack Obama than those who prefer John McCain, although many decline to offer an opinion. However, unlike most countries, Singaporeans tend to see America’s relations with the rest of the world staying largely the same under either Obama or McCain’s leadership, although more Singaporeans believe that McCain would improve relations than those who hold this view about Obama.
• More Singaporeans would favour Barack Obama (29%) than those who would favour John McCain (7%); however, a majority (64%) declines to express a preference.
• Singaporeans most commonly think that US relations with the rest of the world would stay the same under either an Obama (28%) or McCain presidency (26%). However, more tend to believe relations would improve under McCain (22%) than those who say they would improve under Obama (16%). Very few think relations would worsen under either Obama (5%) or McCain (2%).
• Singaporeans are divided on whether electing Obama, an African-American president would fundamentally change their views of the US, with an equal 22 per cent agreeing and 21 per cent, respectively, disagreeing with the statement.
- Was that necessary? You know a brief description and a link woulda worked.TheBlueOne
- I agree, you just ruined Page 180. LOL.********
- HAHAHA, sorry guys!ukit
- Just playing dude. :)********
- TheBlueOne0
Why the Bailout was a fake out.
"In point of fact, the dirty little secret of the banking industry is that it has no intention of using the money to make new loans. But this executive was the first insider who’s been indiscreet enough to say it within earshot of a journalist.
(He didn’t mean to, of course, but I obtained the call-in number and listened to a recording.)
“Twenty-five billion dollars is obviously going to help the folks who are struggling more than Chase,” he began. “What we do think it will help us do is perhaps be a little bit more active on the acquisition side or opportunistic side for some banks who are still struggling. And I would not assume that we are done on the acquisition side just because of the Washington Mutual and Bear Stearns mergers. I think there are going to be some great opportunities for us to grow in this environment, and I think we have an opportunity to use that $25 billion in that way and obviously depending on whether recession turns into depression or what happens in the future, you know, we have that as a backstop.”
Read that answer as many times as you want — you are not going to find a single word in there about making loans to help the American economy. On the contrary: at another point in the conference call, the same executive (who I’m not naming because he didn’t know I would be listening in) explained that “loan dollars are down significantly.” He added, “We would think that loan volume will continue to go down as we continue to tighten credit to fully reflect the high cost of pricing on the loan side.” In other words JPMorgan has no intention of turning on the lending spigot."
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/2…
The rich will now get richer. And power will be that much more consolidated.
- BAM! http://money.cnn.com… eat that other banks. PNC has a good plan********
- Exactly.TheBlueOne
- They didn't buy sh*t mortgages. Not in the same dumbf*ck ballpark as those others.********
- Don't blame PNC for scooping up National City. I don't like the bailout either.********
- http://money.cnn.com… sittin' f*cking pretty my stocks are with them.********
- We've been sold down the river.tommyo
- Bailout never made any sense to me either... business will do what's good for business, not helping people on the streetSigDesign
- < Exactly. The gov just gave shitty businesses with shitty business practices the resources to keep being shitty.tommyo
- it's a clusterf*ck that the government cannot seem to control.********
- BAM! http://money.cnn.com… eat that other banks. PNC has a good plan
- ********0
ukit, how in God's name are these pollsters reaching out to the 3rd world countries that you mentioned? Your average citizen in these countries are lucky they can afford bread and water, let alone a telephone or computer.
- << average american perception of the world********
- Nah, lived overseas for 5 years.********
- And this comment from a guy who asked ukit if he'd "ever travelled outside the country"TheBlueOne
- every place on earth is better than US********
- BTO, what in the h*ll are you talking about? It's a valid point. 3rd world country logistics.********
- drgss, if you think that's correct, you're out of your mind.********
- a scientifically proven fact********
- yeah, by Dr. Victor von Doom********
- JazX, where oversea have you lived I am curiouszaq
- ever been to JuarezBattleAxe
- Lived: Namibia (2.5 years), South Africa (1 year), Finland (2 years), Estonia (4 months). Do you want travelled as well?********
- you are a smug cunt.DrBombay
- haven't had your pills today? understood********
- you wouldnt say a fucking word if we were actually in the same room.DrBombay
- Fuck you JazX! Most of those countries aren't even Third world! What kind of backward Hick are you? FYI, UAE can drown you and your family in crude oil just for their amusement.Sketchy
- << average american perception of the world
- ukit0
You're right, I'm sure they don't reach many of the poor. But are you thinking the poverty stricken people of 3rd world nations are going to bump up McCain's numbers? Somehow I doubt that.
- what?********
- Who else is going to live in huts that we can bomb with impunity?TheBlueOne
- Ohh jeeeeeeeeze... here we go.********
- I for one used to intern here: http://en.wikipedia.… they do fantastic work and yes, they are very conservative********
- I saw alot of developing nations on ukits list, not so many poor of the poor...TheBlueOne
- A developing nation is a PC name for 3rd world dump. They say that about Southern Africa and it's horrible********
- what?
- BattleAxe0
polls make me sick, I do not see the purpose of them, why care who people will vote for? All they do is distort peoples perception about the race. If I am running , do i really need some poll to tell me to try harder?
- tommyo0
Want to know the real history of why our healthcare system is jacked now? Suprises around every corner. Is it the greedy insurance companies with their thin vaudevillian mustaches? Or is it growing public health issues? Maybe it's the 300lb 9 month old man-wolf baby on the cover of National Enquirer!! Or could it be (dun dun dun) that government, with great intentions only rivaled by even greater stupidity, decided to stick their dirty lil noses into the mix?!?!!?
Tune in to find out the truth:
http://www.capmag.com/article.as…- yet somehow the doctor manages to have the biggest house on the street********
- So does the Insurance Plan Sales Broker.Mimio
- hahaah dude you are a pure subscriber to Socialist Wanker Weekly. If you went to school for 10 years, wouldn't youtommyo
- expect to get paid? Or do you just feel like the rich shouldn't be rich because you should get some of what they're eating?tommyo
- Question is...how did the insurance man get the big house? mmm hmm. Read folks.tommyo
- Think about your house insurance ... does it cover every nail and board? Health insurance was supposed to betommyo
- like house insurance, only covering the large catastrophic events. Gov, pushed this system we have now. Thank them.tommyo
- I disagree. Government didn't create the demand. Uninsured workers/citizens did.Mimio
- Gov created HMO's. Which caused a rise in prices from doctors because their practices were forced to do MUCH moretommyo
- billing and haggling with, HMO's. Which caused unaffordable healthcare. Ta Daaa!!tommyo
- Not to mention the fact that now you have insurance companies telling doctors how to treat their patients.tommyo
- Lower quality healthcare at highly inflated prices. Go thank your congress for their contribution to your death.tommyo
- If you want sh*tty doctors go to socialist country.********
- I saw a story where a company went straight to a medical group and did a deal without...DCDesigns
- going through and Ins. Co. The future??DCDesigns
- Yeah I have heard of that too. Seems like it could be the future.tommyo
- The past.Mimio
- insurance companies are publicly traded, that is wrong.DrBombay
- I agree. Corporations have one entity they are responsible to - Shareholders. Not you or me.tommyo
- Now who instituted HMO's as the primary form of health coverage? Government. Now they want to fix it some more.tommyo
- just let the insurance company lobbyists keep writing legislation then, tom?DrBombay
- Kill insurance companies. Fixed. Name me one other basic service that has become too expensive for the avg person.tommyo
- The ONLY service that comes to mind is electricity. But people still afford it don't they? Let doctors work with their patients.tommyo
- And come on Rick, you don't know me very well if you think I'm for lobbyists lobbying gov to benefit corporations.tommyo
- It's a simple disagreement between you and me as for the solution. I say less bureaucracy fixes it, you say more gov does.tommyo
- yet somehow the doctor manages to have the biggest house on the street
- Meeklo0
that looks nothing like obama..
- bliznutty0
"We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality — judiciously, as you will — we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do."
–Bush White House aide explaining the New Reality
Project for the New American Century
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pro…
- Mimio0
Tommyo, re: "Capitalism Magazine"
The reason why Wellpoint and Kaiser Permanente even exist in the first place is because they were employer provided group health care. Kaiser started his hospitoals for his own dock workers just like Henry Ford did. They Invented the HMO and got the government to sign off on it.- *hospitalsMimio
- Gov didn't sign off on it though, they MANDATED it. HMO Act of 1973. And it did in fact change health care for the worse.tommyo
- No, the government approved certain HMOs and required employers to insure their employees. They didn't have to choose HMOs.Mimio
- ...choose HMOs, some still don't.Mimio
- But most do. I remember when I was a wee lad we just walked in, paid $30 for a doctor visit and if I had anything major thentommyo
- we called the insurance company.tommyo
- Let me ask you this Mimio. Who was responsible for making HMO's the standard in health care?tommyo
- Employers and insurance companies. Open enrollment is usually a selection of HMOs.Mimio
- Sorry but you're wrong. Please read about the HMO Act of 1973. It forces employers to provide insurance. Gave rise totommyo
- HMO's. Caused higher medical prices. Made you dependent on those HMO's. And put a corp. in charge of your health.tommyo
- Think of the benefits we would have if doctors worked directly with patients instead of working with insurance companies.tommyo
- HMOs are just a way to enroll large groups at a discount. You would still have to deal with insurance companies.Mimio
- Yeah? You pushing for the cash system again?Mimio
- Name me one other basic service that has become too expensive for people. I say, let the docs work with their patients.tommyo
- You'd see prices reflect market value. Use insurance companies like we use other insurance products, for largetommyo
- catastrophic events. You'd get insurance to cover the big stuff that would break you. Seriously think about it. House insurancetommyo
- is only there so if you have a fire, etc. then you're not going to have to declare bankruptcy to recover from the problem.tommyo
- Insurance product pricing is based on 'risk'...what's the likely hood that ___ is going to happen?tommyo
- You talking about HSA/MSAs? Ultra-high deductible plans.Mimio
- Japan has national healthcare and is the 2nd largest economy on the planet.DrBombay
- socialist?DrBombay
- Again, SS and Medicare are going to explode in a few years. How do you expect our gov to pay for more social programs?tommyo
- I just don't get how that is even a reality. I might be wrong, but it just seems like an accident waiting to happen.tommyo
- We're going to be paying through the nose on our taxes to pay for medical benefits that we could pay for on our own now.tommyo
- there are 40 million peeps who cantDrBombay
- So 40 million people, times 5k (just a conservative guess at how much would be spent on each person) is 200 billion a year.tommyo
- That's not even factoring in the rest of the country who currently IS covered. Sounds like a really bad idea to me.tommyo
- that isnt to be paid by taxpayers.DrBombay
- dude I am not going to go through all these notes again, so whatever.DrBombay
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@SSKISSER!
- dbloc0
Graphic design students at Georgia Tech University created portraits of the 2008 presidential candidates using typography.
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Why I Won't Vote for John McCain
by Lt Gen Robert G GardSome people have been surprised by General Colin Powell's endorsement of Barack Obama. How could Powell, who served in several Republican administrations, endorse a Democrat over John McCain, a storied war hero?
As a lifelong military man, I too will be casting my vote for Barack Obama on Election Day. I deeply respect John McCain's service to our country. I admire his bravery as a prisoner of war, described by a fellow prisoner as similar to that demonstrated by hundreds of other U.S. prisoners in North Vietnam.
The fields of foreign and national security policy, however, are John McCain's disqualifying weaknesses, in my view. McCain has demonstrated clearly that he is a dedicated ideologue when it comes to foreign policy, unwilling to consider opinions or even credible evidence contrary to his preconceived notions.
Lt Gen Robert G Gard's diary :: ::
His temperament, marked not only by impatience but also by rude and sometimes hostile behavior, would discourage advisors from bringing to his attention views that might not be consistent with his preconceptions. A President with this combination of significant shortcomings would be a dangerous commander-in-chief, posing an unacceptable risk to the security of the nation.McCain has adopted, promoted, and sustained the position of the so-called neo-conservatives and ultra-nationalists who believe that the United States should capitalize on American military superiority to spread democracy abroad. Overthrowing the Iraqi government was seen as the first step in transforming the politics of the Middle East by converting governments in the region to democracies friendly to the United States and its interests. McCain reportedly has bragged in private conversations that he was the first neo-con.
McCain has been a consistent advocate of employing military force, as well as diplomatic and economic measures, to overthrow the governments of non-democratic states. In his 2000 presidential primary campaign, he promoted a strategy of "rogue state rollback." He has served as a long-term chair of the Republican Institute, an organization dedicated to promoting democracy in closed societies, even though most experts agree that viable democratic reforms cannot be imposed but must be generated locally.
Consistent with his ideological predispositions, McCain has gone so far as to advocate expelling Russia from the G-8, an organization of leading industrial nations established to coordinate international economic policies, in order "to improve their behavior" while adding Brazil and India to the organization but excluding China. This obviously would result in the alienation of Russia and China, resulting in a confrontational foreign policy rather than encouraging their cooperation on vital issues of international security and their integration into the international community.
The importance of McCain's temperament, should he become President, is apparently regarded as too politically incorrect to discuss. By his own admission, however, McCain has "a temper, to state the obvious, which I have tried to control with varying degrees of success because it does not always serve my interest or the public's." Of greater significance, he also has written: "Often my haste is a mistake, but I live with the consequences without complaint."
In matters of national security and foreign policy, however, it is the nation that will have to live with the consequences of McCain's temper and haste should he be elected President of the United States.
No President can be conversant with all the problems and issues he or she will face. More important than a specific set of experiences are high intelligence, good judgment, a steady and even temperament, and a willingness to consider options presented by advisors who have been selected for their expertise.
A few months ago, I met in a small group with Senator Obama in his office to discuss a contentious security issue. People with different, even opposite, views had been invited to attend. Obama listened carefully and asked penetrating questions, confirming my observations concerning his intelligence and temperament.
I believe that Barack Obama possesses the requisite qualifications to serve far more effectively as President of the United States and commander-in-chief of the U.S. military than his opponent, John McCain.
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Florida Governor Charlie Crist, to the shock and dismay of Florida Republicans, just moved to extend early voting hours, a move likely to widen the Democrats' lead under a program on which the Obama campaign has intensely focused.
"He just blew Florida for John McCain," one plugged in Florida Republican just told me.
- yes? great news...tank02
- They just hate democracy, don't they.TheBlueOne
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has anyone noticed that the entire election and the personalities of both candidates have been engineered and stylized for the post bush / post american failure environment ?
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in other words all things considering, and there's a lot to consider, doesn't Obama seem a little too good and peachy and the McCain/Palin seem a little too fucking stupid?
- Listen to anything they say. They manage to do that to themselves quite effectively. Especially McCain/Palin.harlequino
- in regard to how they are characterizedharlequino
- And Bush was what? A fucking genius?TheBlueOne
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for fucks sake.
- Point is, don't trespass kiddos.tommyo
- Wow, they really DO cling to those guns. Bitterly, too. I'll bet he was bitter.harlequino
- I'd be bitter too if I had to keep 30 signs in my garage to swap out every damn night. I'm getting old aren't I?tommyo
- btw, I don't feel bad for a second for the kid who got shot in the arm.tommyo
- Damn, that sucks!
DCDesigns - have fun in jail. pops. hope it was worth it.DrBombay
- I don't know what kind of society you want to live in Tommy, but I sure as hell don't want to live in one where vandals are shot.bogue
- vandals are shot
bogue - I don't know what kind of country you want to live in but I'd like to live in one where no one is allowed to causetommyo
- damage to my property. It's simple. Did the guy over react, probably, did the kid deserve it, definitely.tommyo
- I think he deserved to have the police called, to face a fine etc... Shot? are you fuckin' kidding me?bogue
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since the 1960's not one tv poll has showed a democrat in the lead. Think about that. How many republican presidents have we had since the 60's? Something is wrong here. The people that run the tv stations are foo foo's
