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Speaking of extremists. What's the difference between Timothy McVeigh and Obama associate, Bill Ayers?
Not much, they both bombed public buildings.
- http://en.wikipedia.…********
- Obama associate? yeah...right...sad man...tank02
- murder********
- Bill Ayers was asked by a former member of the Reagan administration to sit on an educational board.TheBlueOne
- McVeigh is dead.TheBlueOne
- One of them has long hair?JKristofer
- Your beloved republican leadership bombed plenty of innocent people in Iraq.BRNK
- Don't fool yourself into thinking you have the moral high ground.BRNK
- How many people has the Bush Admin. killed in an unjust war???
Talk about a terrorist!!DCDesigns - JK hit it on the nose!********
- one of them killed hundreds of people. the other one killed nobody and has since been given many awardsthreadpost
- yeah, awarded by radical Dems who have nothing better to do.********
- http://en.wikipedia.…
- JKristofer0
JazX there's isn't any difference between McVeigh and Ayers. They're both equally as stupid.
- hear hear.moveinspace
- pardon me there is a difference. Bombing a building with people inside is murder bombing an emptied bdlg is symbolic.********
- No difference capsize. I disagree. Both acts are unacceptable.JKristofer
- It depends on where your level of tolerance is I suppose.JKristofer
- he didn't say it was acceptable, he said it was differenthallelujah
- Well then I guess we can also then say "the hair is different" too.JKristofer
- I assumed we all understood his questions intent.JKristofer
- Distinctions matter. Our conception of justice relies entirely upon a jury's assessment of accomplished intent.********
- True but "Intent" can't be forgotten about either.JKristofer
- intent.
Both engaged in reprehensible acts of zealotry but they are not the same.******** - Well then I guess we can also then say "the hair is different" too.– JKristofer 6/10
HA HA!******** - Why is nobody talking about the AIP, they openly say they HATE America!DCDesigns
- hallelujah0
he's not obama's associate
- ********0
Mccain himself may have bombed public buildings. In Hanoi. Is this a distinction that makes a difference? Judging only by the result is the surest way to crass indifference to any result because its all the same anyway.
- Come on....TheBlueOne
- he's saying particulars matter; simplistic conflations obscure the issueshallelujah
- another simplistic conflation: "palling around with terrorists"hallelujah
- first you argue about intent and then you argue about distinction. Now you compare war to domestic terrorism. Hmmmmm.moveinspace
- I made no such comparison.
I point out that there are differences and how you define those differences are essential to truth and justice.******** - to truth and justice. Only injustice is served by blurring between differences.********
- so are they different or not? spit it out man.moveinspace
- homicide is different than suicide********
- never mind cleared up below.moveinspace
- lost in translation;)moveinspace
- Bombing is a complex moral problem, even in war. I recommend the book Human Smoke********
- which compelled me to view bombing as a horrible and evil strategy even when seen as necessary.********
- Moral philosophy is usually lost during a war. I should know I've been there.moveinspace
- I'm sorry to hear that. Its easy at first and then, with a long life, hard. Thank-you for serving.********
- It's all good capsize and carry on. I find most of your posts in this thread thought provoking.moveinspace
- JKristofer0
Aww c'mon capsize. What are you doing?
- he's saying the opposite of what you thinkhallelujah
- he's saying particulars matter; simplistic conflations obscure the issueshallelujah
- yes.********
- thanks for clearing that up hallelujah. I had no idea what he was going on about.moveinspace
- TheBlueOne0
"particulars matter; simplistic conflations obscure the issues..."
That sounds like pointy headed librul talk! How do you get all those words with all them thar parts out of your mouth while drinking that capichinos you guys like to drink so much?
- hallelujah0
and beyond this, they purposely simplify the issues in a deliberate attempt to mislead voters
- JKristofer0
It's not quite that complicated. I am running the comparison in one direction and you're running a comparison in another.
I don't have to agree and defend everything Obama nor do I have to hate Mccain and Palin to vote Obama either. You bring up Mccain as though my comparison between Ayers and McVeigh means that I am siding with Mccain.
Rookie. =]
- JazX brought up McVeigh and Ayers in order to dishonestly denounce Obama vs McCainhallelujah
- So what? Did it change your vote?JKristofer
- I'm saying nobody assumed you were siding with McCainhallelujah
- I was using the "I" form to drive the point home that he doesn't have to defend Ayers.JKristofer
- I wasn't thinking he thought me "Jason" was voting Mccain.JKristofer
- my take (and maybe mine only) was that he was defending Obama against a deliberately misleading statementhallelujah
- I'm not being clear. It's early and I need more coffee.JKristofer
- but I get the fact that there's no need to defend ayershallelujah
- +1********
- TheBlueOne0
"According to a court affidavit sworn out by a Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives agent, Daniel Cowart, 20, and Paul Schlesselman, 18, began discussing the murder plot after meeting online about a month ago. In the ATF affidavit, a copy of which you'll find below, Cowart and Schlesselman "discussed the killing spree to include targeting a predominately African-American school, going state to state while robbing individuals and continuing to kill people." The pair's "final act of violence" would be an attempt to kill Obama, the Democratic presidential nominee. In separate interviews with investigators, the men said that they planned to speed their vehicle toward Obama while "shooting at him from the windows." Apparently befitting the historic assault, Cowart and Schlesselman "stated they would dress in all white tuxedos and wear top hats during the assassination attempt."
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/arc…
- these idiots discussed their plan online?Ramanisky2
- seriously, could you find dumber people? That the media is giving this such attention infuriates me.monkeyshine
- Well they did have lots of automatic weapons and did intend to kill people...TheBlueOne
- ukit0
BREAKING, from Politico’s Jonathan Martin: The Democratic National Committee takes out a $10 million line of credit to help House and Senate committees maximize gains AS PARTY OFFICIALS SEE MORE RACES COMING INTO PLAY, ESPECIALLY IN THE HOUSE. Money to be split between committees. Similar to DNC move in '06.
The Republican National Committee buys TV time in deep-red MONTANA and WEST VIRGINIA, a sign the party is scrambling to stave off a historic landslide a week from today. “Tough environment,” one Republican official says sardonically. The McCain campaign has not officially given up on VIRGINIA but a top official concedes it is LOST, while maintaining that a PENNSYLVANIA miracle can still get Senator McCain to 270. He and Governor Palin will be there repeatedly before Election Day. But should they also be shoring up Nevada, now a must-win?
- harlequino0
I have a feeling these neo nazi dorks may just be the beginning of a sort of racial and class motivated violence we have yet to see.
- Not likely.JKristofer
- We'll see.harlequino
- Very likely.TheBlueOne
- this might just be symptomatic of the last gasp of this type of extremism.monkeyshine
- There is no last gasp for extremism. It always festers.TheBlueOne
- Khurram0
this fucking Obama love in. Yeah, oh right, he's "cool" and totally dreamy with his boyish good looks, tallk skinny-ass negro with big ears he is in fact a spitting image of ME.
But just make sure, when he is inevitably elected (and thank god no right-wing Republican douche-bag stands a chance) that you don't keep on treatin him like the messiah.
Make sure you keep an eye on the fucker and give him shit, fucker wont wear an American flag pin but wears an Israeli flag to appease the AIPAC, wtf... same ol' shit neo-liberal dream time
Keep it in perspective
But yeah, just be grateful that the last 8 years of abomination are finalyl over.
Centre-left for life yo, tha's wassup.
peace
- don't worry, the honeymoon will be quickly overhallelujah
- i hope so. Then resume it again in four years time, in case another rightist cunt face steps upKhurram
- He'll have to smack Palin down again in four years... Unless the wolves get her in Alaska.DCDesigns
- hallelujah0
Barack Obama leads John McCain by a 52% to 36% margin in Pew’s latest nationwide survey of 1,325 registered voters. This is the fourth consecutive survey that has found support for the Republican candidate edging down. In contrast, since early October weekly Pew surveys have shown about the same number of respondents saying they back Obama. When the sample is narrowed to those most likely to vote, Obama leads by 53% to 38%.
A breakdown of voting intentions by demographic groups shows that since mid- September, McCain’s support has declined significantly across most voting blocs. Currently, McCain holds a statistically significant advantage only among white evangelical Protestants (aside from Republicans). In addition, Obama runs nearly even with McCain in the so-called red states, all of which George W. Bush won in 2004.
Just as ominous for the Republican candidate, Obama holds a 53% to 34% lead among the sizable minority of voters (15%) who say they have already voted. Among those who plan to vote early but have not yet voted (16% of voters), 56% support Obama, while 37% support McCain.
- ukit0
Battleground Poll shows a closer race:
Barack Obama/Joe Biden 49%
John McCain/Sarah Palin 46%
Undecided 5%- you have determination ukit. I like that.********
- November 5th I wish I could face you and laugh into your facezaq
- Why? I already think that the Dems will ultimately have their day. It's cyclical, the process in general.********
- you have determination ukit. I like that.
- tommyo0
"(END VIDEO CLIP)
COOPER: It's certainly a question the McCain campaign has kind of been hammering at portraying Obama as a socialist; you heard that on the Palin campaign as well. Is it working?
GERGEN: They may be making some modest progress with it Anderson, we do see some evidence McCain coming up a point or two here and there. But I don't think it's anywhere near close enough to win an election. And more importantly, I don't think the Democrats have really answered it appropriately.
Teddy Roosevelt, a Republican, was very much an advocate of what's called progressive taxation, and that is that the rich should pay more than the poor in terms of taxes.
Now, one of the most effective poverty programs we've had in the last three decades is called the earned income tax credit. It's a program where by if you're a working person or a working couple and you're below the poverty line, the government will actually give you money. That's a redistributive program. It's a program which takes money from the upper classes and gives it to the working poor.
Now who started that program -- the earned income tax credit, Ronald Reagan. It was an achievement of the Reagan administration that Bill Clinton then built on. So I think that these arguments are, you know, sometimes they get so carried away that they don't recognize the realities of what we've been going through in public policy and the big arguments about why the wealth over the last 30 years has been redistributed. It's been redistributed upwards, as we grow, the top one percent is getting a disproportionate share."
the link:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANS…
just about midway down the pageGergen bio:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dav…
served as political advisor to Nixon, Ford, Reagan and Clinton.
- ukit0
It pisses me off how these Republicans running McCain's campaign and on the blogs revel in being stupid, Obama is talking about bringing tax rates back to where they were under Reagan and that is called socialist. It seems like there is no room for discussion - either you agree with what they want, or you are a fucking Commie.
- +1TheBlueOne
- WTF is it with these Republician idiots? They still reckon that being called a Communist is the worst thing...
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