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- SigDesign0
It's simple. We have a government. It's our system. We have public schools, and government programs that touch all of our lives in one way or another, whether it's state or federal. They need money to survive... all government is not bad. What's making it bad is the corruption and influence from corporate entities. Simple greed and corruption...
If the entire system is based upon a corporate model...if we treat business as #1, and expect them to spread their wealth to the people by hiring more and paying people more, then the gap between rich and poor will widen.
The more money and power people have, the more corrupt they become. That's why our government was set up with checks and balances originally to divide the power.
I think that both Republicans and Democrats agree on this issue, but the Republicans think the best way to fix it is by de-regulating businesses and charging them less money in taxes. They thought that in doing this, the wealth would trickle down to the little people due to increasing jobs and salaries. But, we've tried that method, and it simply does not work. Tax breaks for corporations don't equal more jobs... and complete de-regulation ruins everything for everyone.
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James Bamford, The Shadow Factory: The Ultra-Secret NSA from 9/11 to the Eavesdropping on America, 2008, pp. 197-201:The NSA's willingness to outsource eavesdropping, plus the warrantless eavesdropping and other new programs, thus became a giant boom to a growing fraternity of contractors who make their living off the NSA. Headquarters for what might be termed the surveillance-industrial complex is the Nation Business Park, "NBP" in NSA lingo. Located just across the Baltimore-Washington Parkway from the agency's secret city, it is nearly as secret and nearly as protected as the agency itself. The centerpiece is NBP-1, a tall glass office building belonging to the NSA's Technology and Sytems Organization.
Stretching out below NBP-1, hidden from the highway and surrounded by tall trees, National Business Park is a large compound of buildings owned by the NSA's numerous high-tech contractors. The NSA's problem is trying to keep up with the enormous volume of incoming information, including the warrantless monitoring, which, like any system when restraints are removed, tends to expand exponentially. NBP fills the need as sort of a private-sector NSA. ...
Making up the surveillance-industrial empire are both high-profile Wall Street giants and little-known park dwarfs. What they have in common is great profits from the NSA's very deep pockets -- more than ever since the start of the 9/11 eavesdropping boom. By 2007, excluding the military, the intelligence community's budget was $43.5 billion, about a third larger than during the pre-9/11 years. Adding the military and tactical budget brought the total to about $60 billion. ...
At the same time Hayden was building his empire within Fort Meade, he was also creating a shadow NSA: of the $60 billion going to the intelligence community, most of it -- about $42 billion, an enormous 70 percent -- was going to outside contractors. To some inside the agency, it seemed that an idea, no matter how pie-in-the-sky, regardless of its impracticality in the real world, got funded. The numbers told the story. In October 2001, the NSA had 55 contracts let out to 144 contractors. But by October 2005, the agency had 7,197 contracts and 4,388 contractors. ...
For many years, the surveillance-industrial complex was managed from a white two-story building at 141 National Business Park, just down the street from the NSA's NBP-1. Behind the double doors to Suite 112 was a little-known organization called the Security Affairs Support Association (SASA), which since its founding in 1980, had served as the bridge between the intelligence and industrial communities. From 1999 to 2002, SASA's president was Lieutenant General Kenneth A. Miniham, who retired as director of the NSA in 1999. Its executive vice president for many years was retired air force major general John E. Morrison, Jr., a former head of operations at the NSA and long one of the most respected people in the intelligence community.
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- bliznutty0
So I have my mail-in ballot. There are 16 people running for President of the United States. REPEAT: 16 people running for president.
Now, will someone please tell me why you haven't heard of 14 of these candidates? Why weren't they allowed to debate? Why hasn't the media covered their ideas?
Those who think that a democracy is a 2-party system (Republicans and Democrats) and that those two parties encompass the vision and values of this country - obviously was just born in the past few decades and has no ability to do any historical investigation of his own.
Media and campaign contributions are what keeps these two corrupt parties in power. Its funny, because the other 14 totally disagree with both the democratic and republican platforms (and are never given a chance to debate publicly).
How do millions of Americans not see this (or care)?
- I sooooo agree.tommyo
- because it's a 2-party system. at least for now.sputnik2
- glassbooth.orgSigDesign
- tommyo0
Sorry man but you're kind of wrong and trust me, your viewpoint was my old viewpoint. It's stereotypical to assume that the more money and power someone has the more corrupt they become. You have to look no further than Buffet or Gates. Sure, in some cases rich and powerful people do fucked up things and they should pay for it.
So tell me how beneficial the Democrat agenda is to who is it, the poor and minorities they claim to help? Government is the one who screwed up health care, the rise in costs for health care stem from regulation. Health care actually used to be cheap and very good before government got into it to 'help people.' Now it's not. They opened the door to huge insurance companies that should only be used for major catastrophe and surgery.
You're speaking about the trickle down theory and the way they introduced that was wrong wrong wrong because it only focused on putting money in the pocketbooks of the rich, not on increasing industry. But what gov is doing now is also wrong wrong wrong by regulating the shit out of everything. Passing bills that give advantages to their large supporters. Their meddling makes it very hard for new businesses to start and in fact, makes running a business extremely difficult.
Now about public programs and schools. I was listening to this Ron Paul book and he illustrated something that shocked me about schools. Story goes like this. A guy trying to find out about bureaucracy within government run programs called the NYC school system and eventually got a number of the people running the offices, 6k people running it and it took him some 8 or 9 people to get him the figures on that. Then he called a school run by the catholic church, who had about 1/5 of the student body that the NYC school system taught...they had 26 people running it and he got the answer on the first person. By and large the issues where government tells you they're 'helping,' they're actually so full of waste it's not funny. But government won't tell you these things. They want to be seen in a position of need by the people. We don't need them to do the things they're ineffectually doing. Like that 20/20 video I posted showed, we can solve things faster and better without government intervention at all.
I'm not supporting some ideal that businesses should be left to run a muck and harm people. Wouldn't it be a better system to lift mickey mouse restraints off of business that have already proved to be ineffectual. While holding them directly accountable when and if they take undue advantage? Because our current system doesn't hold people to much accountability, and people who want to get into business find it extremely hard to because of all the crazy regulations.
- In response to SigDesign ^^tommyo
- Ron Paul, nutcase.********
- You actually know nothing about him then. Everything he predicted about the economy came true. He is 'Truth.'tommyo
- He also isn't in the pocketbook of corporations like either of the candidates who will become Pres. So he has no reason to lie.tommyo
- to act like obama and mccain get the same corporate donations is dishonest, tommy.DrBombay
- to act like all government officials don't get massive corp contributions is blind Rick and you know it.tommyo
- you hate all government and have no viable solutions to replace it. It is a safe bet, I suppose. but doesnt say anything.DrBombay
- anything really. except RON PAUL!DrBombay
- haha Uhhh I distrust government and my solution is that we need less of it. You still believe that more gov is the answer.tommyo
- Funny how you still think that capitalism and the rich are the problem. You're just the kind of parrot that government likes.tommyo
- dont put words in my mouth. make the gov smaller than it is now, like under clinton.DrBombay
- at a time when the kids in this country are dumb as fuck, paul wants to end the education dept. he's brilliant!DrBombay
- Yeah, actually more so than Clinton. My point is that gov really doesn't solve anything, they just cause more problems.tommyo
- He doesn't want to end education! Like what we have now is even working??tommyo
- get rid of those pesky pell grants. they never show a return.DrBombay
- Man your attacks on Paul are about as intelligent as the rednecks talking about Obama being a terrorist. Go learn something.tommyo
- Close Dept. of Education, but don't dismantle public schools. (Dec 2007)DrBombay
- Did you read the part in this post about how wasteful the public school system is? Answer: Clean it out.tommyo
- That's a pretty big reach to say that he wants to get rid of education.tommyo
- I said the dept of education, man... keep up.DrBombay
- So you're in favor of running a school system with so much bureaucracy that it can't actually do it's job?tommyo
- I am keeping up, you don't seem able to understand the issue.tommyo
- so just get rid of it and replace it with nothing, I see.DrBombay
- Why is it so black and white with you? All or nothing. Replace it with something that fucking actually works!tommyo
- he wasnt proposing that though. I agree with him on free trade. End NAFTA, CAFTA etc.DrBombay
- Here is where Paul explains more about it: http://www.realclear…tommyo
- No he's proposing a different system than the Dept of Education though. One that is outside gov waste.tommyo
- NYC = 6k employees where a private school system has 26 for a fifth of the student body. That means if you privatizetommyo
- you're looking at a total of 130 employees. Which means MUCH more money to the students, better education.tommyo
- all he said was get rid of it, what am I missing?DrBombay
- I'm not supporting privatization per se, but you can see how much bureaucracy is added when gov runs things.tommyo
- I disagree with privatization of the commons.DrBombay
- So getting rid of the Dept of Education means that you think he supports no education?!?!?!tommyo
- But would you agree that gov bureaucracy is choking our school systems to death??tommyo
- why do you keep saying that? the strawman has left the fucking bldg.DrBombay
- No I wouldnt say that, I would say that you arent going to get good teachers unless you pay them.DrBombay
- If a private institution can run it with 130 people. Then why does it take 6k people when its gov run? Thats 4,600% increase.tommyo
- Yeah I agree with you. Less people in the offices leaves more money for teachers AND students. Currently it's bullshit!tommyo
- I'm not talking about 6k teachers. I'm talking about 6k support staff, decision makers, fluffers.tommyo
- THIRTY-NINE FUCKING NOTES?!!
... wait for it...turk_182 - ... Get a thread!turk_182
- yeah Im bowing out of this note, takes too damn long.DrBombay
- turk_1820
did jazXshackle pass away from lack of healthcare yet?
- he's recording more robocalls for the mccain palin ticket, he'll be right back....robotron3k
- wow, amazing you think that I am all these other users. I wasn't here for two years.********
- Lies, Jaz X, you have a big histories of fake identies here, but that goes for a lot of the old schoolers...tank02
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- ukit0
JazX/ RustyShackle told me he is really voting for Obama, he just pastes stuff in this thread to piss off the libs.
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As early as December 1989, a section of his Investment Letter, titled "What To Expect for the 1990s," predicted that "Racial Violence Will Fill Our Cities" because "mostly black welfare recipients will feel justified in stealing from mostly white 'haves.'" Two months later, a newsletter warned of "The Coming Race War," and, in November 1990, an item advised readers, "If you live in a major city, and can leave, do so. If not, but you can have a rural retreat, for investment and refuge, buy it." In June 1991, an entry on racial disturbances in Washington, DC's Adams Morgan neighborhood was titled, "Animals Take Over the D.C. Zoo." "This is only the first skirmish in the race war of the 1990s," the newsletter predicted. In an October 1992 item about urban crime, the newsletter's author--presumably Paul--wrote, "I've urged everyone in my family to know how to use a gun in self defense. For the animals are coming." That same year, a newsletter described the aftermath of a basketball game in which "blacks poured into the streets of Chicago in celebration. How to celebrate? How else? They broke the windows of stores to loot." The newsletter inveighed against liberals who "want to keep white America from taking action against black crime and welfare," adding, "Jury verdicts, basketball games, and even music are enough to set off black rage, it seems."
- on Ron Paul
http://www.tnr.com/p…******** - Opinions are like assholes, everyone's got one.tommyo
- except when the asshole has two like Ron Paul********
- I disagree but respect your opinion.tommyo
- Its not my opinion that's the problem but Mr. Pauls.********
- "he is truth" - Tommyo, three posts up.DrBombay
- on Ron Paul
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not a nutcase?
- Have you actually listened to him or are you basing your opinion on the above? If so, I can find you lot's of anti Obamatommyo
- stuff. Seriously man everyone has an agenda, but as far as I'm concerned, Paul speaks truth.tommyo
- That isn't Truth but the absence of it.********
- even his views on brown people?DrBombay
- Seriously you guys need to stop hiding in your bubbles and do some individual thinking.tommyo
- did his newsletter say those things about black folks? Gets back in bubble.DrBombay
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- turk_1820
see... jazzy... dude...
... it's dumb shit like that that really kills any point someone from the 'right' may have to make in this thread... that's nothing but fodder for the ignorant to take and run with...
... the moment you leave yourself open to be called a 'racist'... nobody will give a shit what you have to say.
Just my dumb opinion. :)
- and I KNOW ... you're NOT...
... a racist... but alot of folks here refuse to find humor in anything anti-obama.turk_182 - i don't know. based on what he has posted in this thread and the shit he had spewed over the years, it says otherwise.antares
- I'd find humor in something anti-obama if it was, in fact, funyy..TheBlueOne
- and I KNOW ... you're NOT...
- ukit0
I saw JazX/ BustyAnkle last weekend and he was out there on the street with ACORN registering voters while humming the Obama girl song. So ignore what he posts in this thread, it's all a clever ruse.
- BonSeff0
feel free to leave your bigoted pics in the klan forums where you found them.
- calcium0
I really wish there was a block feature and/or we could vote someone off once a month if warranted. Ban the IP. JazX is AWFUL.
- antares0
wow. is there a douchebag bigger than jazx? probably. but jaxz is still a pretty big one by any standard.
