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    Sorry man but you're kind of wrong and trust me, your viewpoint was my old viewpoint. It's stereotypical to assume that the more money and power someone has the more corrupt they become. You have to look no further than Buffet or Gates. Sure, in some cases rich and powerful people do fucked up things and they should pay for it.

    So tell me how beneficial the Democrat agenda is to who is it, the poor and minorities they claim to help? Government is the one who screwed up health care, the rise in costs for health care stem from regulation. Health care actually used to be cheap and very good before government got into it to 'help people.' Now it's not. They opened the door to huge insurance companies that should only be used for major catastrophe and surgery.

    You're speaking about the trickle down theory and the way they introduced that was wrong wrong wrong because it only focused on putting money in the pocketbooks of the rich, not on increasing industry. But what gov is doing now is also wrong wrong wrong by regulating the shit out of everything. Passing bills that give advantages to their large supporters. Their meddling makes it very hard for new businesses to start and in fact, makes running a business extremely difficult.

    Now about public programs and schools. I was listening to this Ron Paul book and he illustrated something that shocked me about schools. Story goes like this. A guy trying to find out about bureaucracy within government run programs called the NYC school system and eventually got a number of the people running the offices, 6k people running it and it took him some 8 or 9 people to get him the figures on that. Then he called a school run by the catholic church, who had about 1/5 of the student body that the NYC school system taught...they had 26 people running it and he got the answer on the first person. By and large the issues where government tells you they're 'helping,' they're actually so full of waste it's not funny. But government won't tell you these things. They want to be seen in a position of need by the people. We don't need them to do the things they're ineffectually doing. Like that 20/20 video I posted showed, we can solve things faster and better without government intervention at all.

    I'm not supporting some ideal that businesses should be left to run a muck and harm people. Wouldn't it be a better system to lift mickey mouse restraints off of business that have already proved to be ineffectual. While holding them directly accountable when and if they take undue advantage? Because our current system doesn't hold people to much accountability, and people who want to get into business find it extremely hard to because of all the crazy regulations.

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    • In response to SigDesign ^^tommyo
    • Ron Paul, nutcase.
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    • You actually know nothing about him then. Everything he predicted about the economy came true. He is 'Truth.'tommyo
    • He also isn't in the pocketbook of corporations like either of the candidates who will become Pres. So he has no reason to lie.tommyo
    • to act like obama and mccain get the same corporate donations is dishonest, tommy.DrBombay
    • to act like all government officials don't get massive corp contributions is blind Rick and you know it.tommyo
    • you hate all government and have no viable solutions to replace it. It is a safe bet, I suppose. but doesnt say anything.DrBombay
    • anything really. except RON PAUL!DrBombay
    • haha Uhhh I distrust government and my solution is that we need less of it. You still believe that more gov is the answer.tommyo
    • Funny how you still think that capitalism and the rich are the problem. You're just the kind of parrot that government likes.tommyo
    • dont put words in my mouth. make the gov smaller than it is now, like under clinton.DrBombay
    • at a time when the kids in this country are dumb as fuck, paul wants to end the education dept. he's brilliant!DrBombay
    • Yeah, actually more so than Clinton. My point is that gov really doesn't solve anything, they just cause more problems.tommyo
    • He doesn't want to end education! Like what we have now is even working??tommyo
    • get rid of those pesky pell grants. they never show a return.DrBombay
    • Man your attacks on Paul are about as intelligent as the rednecks talking about Obama being a terrorist. Go learn something.tommyo
    • Close Dept. of Education, but don't dismantle public schools. (Dec 2007)DrBombay
    • Did you read the part in this post about how wasteful the public school system is? Answer: Clean it out.tommyo
    • That's a pretty big reach to say that he wants to get rid of education.tommyo
    • I said the dept of education, man... keep up.DrBombay
    • So you're in favor of running a school system with so much bureaucracy that it can't actually do it's job?tommyo
    • I am keeping up, you don't seem able to understand the issue.tommyo
    • so just get rid of it and replace it with nothing, I see.DrBombay
    • Why is it so black and white with you? All or nothing. Replace it with something that fucking actually works!tommyo
    • he wasnt proposing that though. I agree with him on free trade. End NAFTA, CAFTA etc.DrBombay
    • Here is where Paul explains more about it: http://www.realclear…tommyo
    • No he's proposing a different system than the Dept of Education though. One that is outside gov waste.tommyo
    • NYC = 6k employees where a private school system has 26 for a fifth of the student body. That means if you privatizetommyo
    • you're looking at a total of 130 employees. Which means MUCH more money to the students, better education.tommyo
    • all he said was get rid of it, what am I missing?DrBombay
    • I'm not supporting privatization per se, but you can see how much bureaucracy is added when gov runs things.tommyo
    • I disagree with privatization of the commons.DrBombay
    • So getting rid of the Dept of Education means that you think he supports no education?!?!?!tommyo
    • But would you agree that gov bureaucracy is choking our school systems to death??tommyo
    • why do you keep saying that? the strawman has left the fucking bldg.DrBombay
    • No I wouldnt say that, I would say that you arent going to get good teachers unless you pay them.DrBombay
    • If a private institution can run it with 130 people. Then why does it take 6k people when its gov run? Thats 4,600% increase.tommyo
    • Yeah I agree with you. Less people in the offices leaves more money for teachers AND students. Currently it's bullshit!tommyo
    • I'm not talking about 6k teachers. I'm talking about 6k support staff, decision makers, fluffers.tommyo
    • THIRTY-NINE FUCKING NOTES?!!
      ... wait for it...      turk_182
    • ... Get a thread!turk_182
    • yeah Im bowing out of this note, takes too damn long.DrBombay
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