Global Warming?
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- akrokdesign0
a coal-powered plant = stone-age ideas.
how about something new and better, instead.
- designbot0
Yes that's great in theory, but you can't just bankrupt an industry overnight. it will take a long time to build up a new infrastructure to replace coal and other fossil fuels. It's especially unnerving when the whole reason this is being done might be based on bad interpretation of scientific data (Global Warming).
- ********0
http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/…
An Obama administration should end tax incentives and subsidies for high carbon-emitting technologies and projects and enact mandates that 20 percent of the nation’s electricity come from renewable power by 2020 and at least 30 percent by 2030, Lubber said."The new administration and Congress must shun the excuse that it is 'too expensive' to act to curb global warming, to treat our resources as limited, or to end our allegiance to high-carbon fuels," said Lubber. "It is too expensive not to act, and the cost of inaction in a future world of 9 billion people is what Barack Obama last night called "a planet in peril."
-------------Easier said than done. I'd like to see him tackle this, but I SERIOUSLY have my doubts.
- akrokdesign0
designbot, your talking about gov. action....they work as slow as possible. it will take years before something happens.
so, you can relax...now.
- joeth0
The Climate for Change
by Al GoreThe inspiring and transformative choice by the American people to elect Barack Obama as our 44th president lays the foundation for another fateful choice that he — and we — must make this January to begin an emergency rescue of human civilization from the imminent and rapidly growing threat posed by the climate crisis.
The world authority on the climate crisis, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, after 20 years of detailed study and four unanimous reports, now says that the evidence is “unequivocal.” To those who are still tempted to dismiss the increasingly urgent alarms from scientists around the world, ignore the melting of the north polar ice cap and all of the other apocalyptic warnings from the planet itself, and who roll their eyes at the very mention of this existential threat to the future of the human species, please wake up. Our children and grandchildren need you to hear and recognize the truth of our situation, before it is too late.
Here is the good news: the bold steps that are needed to solve the climate crisis are exactly the same steps that ought to be taken in order to solve the economic crisis and the energy security crisis...
- But I guess all the major scientific institutions are going along with this just so Gore can get rich, right?joeth
- 32,000 deniers http://network.natio…********
- And a lot more non-deniers. The threat is too great to ignore.joeth
- no Gore is going along with scientific obviousness to get richKwesiJ
- Mimio0
Infrastructure projects would definitely help the economy right now and lessen the foreign oil stranglehold. I just don't see the point in building more coal plants and dealing with the pollution if we don't have to.
- we got plenty of oil. i say drill now and put the hippies in a cave********
- Plenty of oil? Are you serious??joeth
- There are sh*tloads of oil reserves on US soil and CA, shall I list them for you?********
- It is a worldwide market though, so unless you want to nationalize it, it won't make a lick of difference.DrBombay
- we got plenty of oil. i say drill now and put the hippies in a cave
- joeth0
Renewable energy is doable, but we need to seriously upgrade the grid...
- ********0
- Now, don't get me wrong. I'd prefer renewable energy resources as well, but that's years off.********
- It's only years off because we keep ignoring it.joeth
- it's too difficult to abruptly do it and now, specifically, isn't the time.********
- It's easier than you think, JazX, and it's been done before... we have electricity and electric cars, and the energy to support them.SigDesign
- the technology has been around for an alternative since the 80s, but we CHOOSE not to use it, because the oil and auto companies make more money with oil and gas.SigDesign
- easier than I think? I love it how you guys pinpoint the problems but provide no real solutions.********
- You idiot. The real solutions are out there right now, but you never actually read them.SigDesign
- No, they're just too plain and complicated to implement. Same to you with the name calling, immature are we?********
- Now, don't get me wrong. I'd prefer renewable energy resources as well, but that's years off.
- SigDesign0
"we got plenty of oil."
JazX is grossly misinformed, as usual.
Solar and wind power are becoming cheaper and easier to produce. If we overhauled the electric grid in the US, which is antiquated and needs to be fixed anyway, then electric cars would be a better choice than drilling for oil, and we'd have better technology, better planet, easier/cheaper travel.
Know how the price of oil went down? Demand is less... people are conserving more... that is the way we can make it cheaper. It's more effective than drilling for more, and if we're going to drill for more, than we're not going to find most of it here in the U.S.
Wikipedia says:
"A 2008 United States Geological Survey estimates that areas north of the Arctic Circle have 90 billion barrels of undiscovered, technically recoverable oil (and 44 billion barrels of natural gas liquids ) in 25 geologically defined areas thought to have potential for petroleum. This represents 13% of the undiscovered oil in the world. Of the estimated totals, more than half of the undiscovered oil resources are estimated to occur in just three geologic provinces - Arctic Alaska, the Amerasia Basin, and the East Greenland Rift Basins. More than 70% of the mean undiscovered oil resources is estimated to occur in five provinces: Arctic Alaska, Amerasia Basin, East Greenland Rift Basins, East Barents Basins, and West Greenland–East Canada. It is further estimated that approximately 84% of the undiscovered oil and gas occurs offshore. The USGS did not consider economic factors such as the effects of permanent sea ice or oceanic water depth in its assessment of undiscovered oil and gas resources. This assessment is lower than a 2000 survey, which had included lands south of the arctic circle.[22][23][24]
Extensive drilling was done in the Canadian Arctic during the 1970s and 1980s by such companies as Panarctic Oils Ltd., Petro Canada and Dome Petroleum. After 176 wells were drilled at billions of dollars of cost, approximately 1.9 billion barrels (300×106 m3) of oil and 19.8 trillion cubic feet (560×109 m3) of natural gas were found. These discoveries were insufficient to justify development, and all the wells which were drilled were plugged and abandoned.
Drilling in the Canadian Arctic turned out to be expensive and dangerous. The geology of the Canadian Arctic turned out to be far more complex than oil-producing regions like the Gulf of Mexico. It was discovered to be gas prone rather than oil prone (i.e. most of the oil had been transformed into natural gas by geological processes), and most of the reservoirs had been fractured by tectonic activity, allowing most of the petroleum which might at one time have been present to leak out.[25]
Greenland is believed by some geologists to have some of the world’s largest remaining oil resources.[26] Prospecting is taking place under the auspices of NUNAOIL, a partnership between the Greenland Home Rule Government and the Danish state. U.S. Geological Survey found in 2001 that the waters off north-eastern Greenland (north and south of the arctic circle) could contain up to 110 billion barrels (17×109 m3) of oil.[27]"
- you're absolutely wrong. it would crush this economy if we all decided to make one massive switch and you know it********
- btw, I have a degree in Civil Engineering which required me to take many classes in Geology and Well Logging********
- the demand didn't go down, for f*cks sake. what are you kidding me?!!?********
- For fucks sake you should wipe your ass with your degrees, because you obviously didn't learn shit.SigDesign
- There's no need to argue, the U.S. has its own oil and should access those deposits. We'd be plenty independent********
- Oh and did we forget the fact that Canada has the second largest density of reserves?********
- He who has oil is he who has power. Go after our own and stop relying on the Middle East and Venezuela.********
- It's economics. Theirs is cheaper.Mimio
- Not if we invested in it. That's the problem. Political red tape doesn't help.********
- going after oil destroys the environment as much as using it, i don't see why this is a good thing.KwesiJ
- yo can be creative and struggle with the economy you can't do shit about destroying the earthKwesiJ
- as if that oil wouldnt go on the world market, jazx you are a simple simon.DrBombay
- you're absolutely wrong. it would crush this economy if we all decided to make one massive switch and you know it
- joeth0
Should we risk crushing the economy or risk crushing the planet?
- it's a fair question.********
- It gov can spend what they do on wars and bailouts, they can find a few billion for a new grid no problem.joeth
- *If govjoeth
- I agree, I just don't think it's that easy. It would take many, many years. Now isn't the time.********
- And if the scientists are right, you'd rather wait until after more destruction and a possible tipping point?joeth
- it's a fair question.
- ********0
Local group is designing a building that partly runs on human waste
http://phipps.conservatory.org/a…Click on Phipps Breaks Ground on Living Building at: http://phipps.conservatory.org/a…
- ********0
Global warning: We are actually heading towards a new Ice Age, claim scientists
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/scien…Lead author Thomas Crowley from the University of Edinburgh and Canadian colleague William Hyde say that currently vilified greenhouse gases – such as carbon dioxide – could actually be the key to averting the chill.
- DrBombay0
JazX, your "Drill Baby Drill" crap is tired. That oil would not go just to US citizens, it would go on the world market and Americans would see no benefit. You get that right?
- Your free market sensibilities and this are opposed.DrBombay
- That depends on how it's shaken up, who's to say it wouldn't go to US Citizens? That's a decision to be made.********
- and I suppose it's a great idea to keep relying on foreign oil and not our own? transportation costs, etc.********
- ********0
Global warming lie by Gore's chief science imposter caught.
The world has never seen such freezing heat
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opini…
- TheBlueOne0
For all you global warming deniers and conspiracy theorists - get your self prepared for COP15. Man, I can't wait for the bizarre theories and crazy leaps of logic and conspiracy theories you're going to come up with. Go ahead, I'm giving you a year head start...
