Global Warming?
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- lowimpakt0
bumped for telos so he doesn't ruin an unrelated thread discussing the sky and shit.
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- DrBombay0
If you are against doing anything about the possibility of global warming, you are pro-pollution, simple as that.
- Arvizu0
I'll pipe in with designbot, from listening to arguments from both camps I'm not convinced global warming isn't happening--i'm just not certain it's the result of man. The amount of CO2 that humankind contributes towards earth's greenhouse effect is 0.117%. That's insignificant.
I love that we're all crazy about saving the environment--i only wonder what else can be done with the same amount of energy, money and media attention--you know, like stopping genocide or suicide bombings--stupid stuff like that.- one camp is bought and paid for by the fossil fuel industry, keep that in mind.DrBombay
- and the other camp has no financial interests, political backing, or corporate support?Arvizu
- yes, but they pollute less.DrBombay
- riiiiight. okay. I'll keep that in mind.Arvizu
- yeah burning coal and wind turbines are the same thing.DrBombay
- i understand the distinction you're making about pollution, i just don't understand the relevance. First you say-fossil fuel co. have bought and paid for one side of an argument...Arvizu
- fuel co have bought and paid for one side of the argument. then i note that both sides have agendas that aren't saintly...Arvizu
- then you say, yeah but one pollutes less... sure! okay if you say so. but how does that counter the point that 0.117% is insignificant?Arvizu
- insignificant. it doesn't. you're going in circles man!Arvizu
- I have never heard your .117 figure before ever, sorry.DrBombay
- no need to apologize, man--not everyone is into looking up facts and scientific data crap--you're not alone...Arvizu
- I'm about polluting less.DrBombay
- just keep saying that to yourself, don't question what you're being told. just obey. it's the whole if you're not with us you're against us fallacy... let me ask you this...Arvizu
- us fallacy... let me say this: If you think about the greenhouse effect--which is supposed to be the result of CO2...Arvizu
- and you're presented with data that CO2 couldn't possibly the culprit--so the hybrids and carbon footprint stuff doesn'tArvizu
- actually matter, would you keep going about your day and say, i'm not polluting? Actually, the biggest contributor to greenhouse gas is...Arvizu
- greenhouse gas is water. so, how are you reducing your water vapor?
http://www.ecoenquir…Arvizu - The 0.117% will not convince anyone with a monkey-making agenda to stop spewing global warming lies.********
- one more thing... so you know i'm not one to withhold:
http://www.geocraft.…Arvizu
- kona0
has anyone entertained the notion of dropping huge ice cubes into the oceans like they did on futurama? it worked for them.
actually, i'm proud to say i've taken some personal initiatives to greatly lower my carbon footprint on this god forsake... er... on this lovely planet of ours.
- HA HA!********
- nice work dude. I pay a bunch extra monthly to use the greener energy from our power company. not sure what it does but...DrBombay
- our electric bill is half that of homes half our size. last month i paid 25 bucks to comed. energy efficiency yo!kona
- I actually head the GoGreen marketing campaign for my company and we cut emissions by leaps & bounds********
- HA HA!
- ********0
You can dig into the rock record and find CO2 levels just as high, if not higher than they are today. Plain and simple.
- and yes, mrdobolina, *cough I mean DrBombay, same to you.********
- aka, I love pollution.DrBombay
- dobs is bombay? well hell hath frozen over as we both agreed on something and seemingly are co-existing together.kona
- what a fine day indeed drbombay! do i call you dr now or can i still call you dobs? haha.kona
- call me what you want, you are like a brother to me compared to jazx.DrBombay
- booted off for some sh*t or another. Dunno? I was dormant, only to become interested in the election.********
- mind you business, hammerhead.DrBombay
- and yes, mrdobolina, *cough I mean DrBombay, same to you.
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http://www.theroot.com/id/48361?…
It Takes Green to Go GreenAre liberal environmental policies hurting poor black communities? Conservatives think so!
Environmentalists and their liberal backers are also blocking the construction of new coal-fired power plants that produce electricity. Plans for 59 coal-based power plants were canceled in 2007, and plans for 50 others are now being challenged.
All this leads to higher energy prices and pain in the pocketbooks of those who can least afford it—poor, black people living in struggling neighborhoods.
According to the Census Bureau's 2007 American Community Survey, the annual median black household income was $34,001 and $40,766 for Hispanics—well below the $50,740 national median. Additionally, 24.7 percent of blacks and 20.7 percent of Hispanics lived in poverty. As energy prices climb, they lose a higher percentage of their take-home pay to increased energy costs—leaving less for things such as savings, education and health care.
Seeking empathy may be asking too much.
- Yeah, those conservatives are always looking out for the poor black communities.joeth
- The Green Collar Economy - by a black author... http://www.amazon.co…joeth
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http://www.ngu.no/en-gb/Aktuelt/…
”The climate in the northern regions has never been milder since the last Ice Age than it was about 6000-7000 years ago. We still don’t know whether the Arctic Ocean was completely ice free, but there was more open water in the area north of Greenland than there is today,” says Astrid Lyså, a geologist and researcher at the Geological Survey of Norway (NGU).
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We weren't around 6 to 7,000 years ago.
- Renegade0
Lets' just shit all over and pollute the planet, fuck it why not! Since Exxon Mobile and my friends drill, pollute and destroy the environment and make a boat load of money at it, we should just all go out to the elite wealthy republican neighborhoods and dump all of our unwanted, toxic, trash, chemicals, and used oil on their estates.
I am sure that they will not care...- No one is saying that, but those inflated numbers about global warming are rubbish.********
- How do you know that? Are you doing the scientific studies yourself?joeth
- No one is saying that, but those inflated numbers about global warming are rubbish.
- Arvizu0
Renegade, so for you it's either one view, or the exact polar opposite of that view, right? I could be wrong but it sounds like you're saying this: If you simply question the cause of global warming -- or even approach the topic with a critical mind... then you must be advocating a shit-all-over-and-pollute-the-pl... course of action. Is that what you're saying? What you have presented is a slippery slope fallacy and your premise doesn't support your conclusion. Just because I question one thing...does not mean I support another. Easy there, tiger. You'll get the hang of this.
- DrBombay0
I think we can all agree pollution is bad. All Go Green initiatives are to pollute less, what is the problem?
- I agree with you. I work on the GoGreen initiative at work. I'm not shitting you either, I market it.********
- what about the carbon taxes and the possibility that we will be living in an epa controlled police state?johndiggity
- *sound the alarm********
- oh dear, but you were willing to give up all of your rights for the terror war.DrBombay
- I agree with you. I work on the GoGreen initiative at work. I'm not shitting you either, I market it.
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Where the Global Warming Hoax Was Born
By Marjorie Mazel Hecht
http://carbon-sense.com/wp-conte…
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Global warming has paused
We still need to study nature’s contribution to trend
Syun-Ichi Akasofu, Community Perspective
http://newsminer.com/news/2008/s…
- TheBlueOne0
JazX wrote:
"Where the Global Warming Hoax Was Born
By Marjorie Mazel Hecht""Global Warming’ is, and always was, a policy for genocidal reduction of the world’s population. The preposterous claim that human-produced carbon dioxide will broil the Earth, melt the ice caps, and destroy human life, came out of a 1975 conference in Research Triangle Park, North Carolina, organized by the influential anthropologist Margaret Mead, president of the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS), in 1974.”
Oh cool. Let me take this opportunity to pwn your crap. Big Bad Conspiracy in 1974, eh?
1958 called and wants to sue those guys.
Now, but by please continue your politically motivated research based on politically motivated research and post them with your smug, self righteous attitude. I need to laugh more.
- all valid points. 99% of it.********
- Dude, it's all from some bad psuedoscience rag...
http://www.21stcentu…
TheBlueOne
- all valid points. 99% of it.
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Question: How many scientists does it take to establish that a consensus does not exist on global warming?
http://network.nationalpost.com/…32,000
- Arvizu0
"I think we can all agree pollution is bad. All Go Green initiatives are to pollute less, what is the problem? " DrBombay-- You're right, we can all stand on the common ground that pollution is bad. In and of itself, there is no problem with the notion of polluting less or going green. And it's genuinely good to see the environment getting the kind of attention that it should have been getting all along. Where the concerns are coming from--is the possibility that our efforts (consider the sheer billions of dollars spent on carbon reducing initiatives) aren't actually doing squat to reduce the pollution that is behind global warming. This allegation is upsetting because there are entire industries that are profiting off of what could be a complete and total waste of our efforts. Meanwhile, there are other unquestionable dangers going largely neglected by our attention, time, energy and money.
- DrBombay0
So we should just wait 100 years, keep polluting and see what happens...
- sigh... there's a funny thing called "logic". you could benefit from looking into it... what? I don't know, start with google i guess--or maybe college?Arvizu
- ...google i guess--or college? good luck with that.Arvizu
- what is a better plan?DrBombay
- a better plan than what? the one you put forward..? Hmmm, maybe we could try to not pollute, or pollute less... but i mean if this is about statingArvizu
- ...i mean, if this is about stating the obvious then, well... good job DrBombay! Nice work!Arvizu
- not sure where you are headed with that...DrBombay
- i'm only saying that by stating the obvious: pollution = bad... you're really not contributing to the discussion... right?Arvizu
- tommyo0
What I find very interesting is that the rise of CO2 levels has had a near parallel index increase as 'We're Green!! YAY!!' advertising campaigns. I've tried to find reports to validate my own research and it seems as though none have been done, so I'm relying on my own hypothesis as to why this occurrence is taking place. Btw, is anyone getting one of those earth saving Hybrid Cadillac Escalades? People, we all need to do our part in supporting corporations save the earth. Get on board, or dig a whole, crawl in and die...just try to wrap yourself in a bag (not plastic, try canvas) so you don't emit too much methane.
- ********0
The company I work for has GoneGreen, and we've spent quite a bit doing it. Let me be honest, it's a global company and they were forced into it in order to business with European groups. A large chunk of their sales. Not sure they would have cared otherwise. It can't hurt though.
- exactly, it can't hurt.DrBombay
- agreed********
- that is why I don't understand why people fight against it. The outcome is cleaner production etc. No matter what.DrBombay
- for me at least, it's not about the absence of harm, it's about the lack of improving... we could be using that money for real! you know?Arvizu
- ...for real, you know?!Arvizu