Drilling in Anwar
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- simple_space0
I have to ask, why are we more concerned about risking the abundance of some species of animals, but we are willing to kill 4,000+ US Soldiers for the same pursuit?
- +1hedge
- +1designbot
- you do realize that is counter to both your beliefs, right?madirish
- Tell me, Matt, what are my beliefs?hedge
- Yes glad you know me so well that you can tell me what I believe. I am certainly not for the war if that's what your eluding to.designbot
- you do understand we have not received any oil at all from iraq right?johndiggity
- but oil companies have. just last week as a matter of fact.mrdobolina
- animals play just as important, if not greater, of a role on this planet as humans. We should value both.Point5
- What's their role? The ones we don't use as food, the ones in ANWR.hedge
- designbot0
"It hinders survival of wildlife in the area."
haha! check this out:
- TheBlueOne0
"Blue, what exactly are the disadvantages of drilling in ANWR? I realize you said that we need to ween ourselves off of fossil fuels, pursue alternative energy, and save poor Mother Nature, but what are the downsides to actually drilling there? I can list numerous advantages. "
Always the rhetorician, no? When did I say we need to "save poor mother nature"? Let's see what I said:
"I would like humanity to continue to thrive - and to paraphrase Lincoln - I could care less if we do it with or without the spotted owl, but on the current path we'll be not thriving and killing the spotted owl or whatever tree hugger mascot you would like to stick here. I'm not for mother nature - who has done and will do her best to fuck us up at every turn - I'm for humans and creating the best conditions in which we can hold off natures wild swings."
Please, I'm sorry I missed where I said "save poor mother nature". Please highlight that for me.
The disadvantages to drilling there, besides environmental costs and better use of capital in developing cleaner sources of energy,as noted in my note are the long lead times to get the infrastructure up and running 'til the point the resources there actually become profitable.
- I know you.hedge
- You don't know jack shit.TheBlueOne
- I can read you like the Wall Street Journal.hedge
- You can't even fucking define capitalism...TheBlueOne
- hedge0
- ace, whatever you use to get yourself off in your downtime shouldn't be shared on the internets.TheBlueOne
- johndiggity0
so we either get our oil form a foriegn country like our good friends in saudi arabia, iran, or venezuela. (btw iraq has yet to award a single oil contract to an american firm) or we drill in our own backyard and use our own oil.
"no moose for oil!"
- TheBlueOne0
"Between 1999 and 2007, the number of drilling permits issued for
development of public lands increased by more than 361%, yet gasoline prices have also risen dramatically (Figure 1) contradicting the argument that more drilling means lower gasoline prices. There is simply no correlation between the two. Even if increased domestic drilling activity could affect the price of gasoline, there is yet no justification to open additional federal lands because oil and gas companies have shown that they cannot keep pace with the rate of
drilling permits that the federal government is handing out. That means that companies have stockpiled nearly 10,000 extra permits to drill that they are not using to increase domestic production.
Further, despite the federal governments willingness to make public
lands and waters available to energy developers, of the 47.5 million acres of on-shore federal lands that are currently being leased by oil and gas companies, only about 13 million acres are actually in production, or producing oil and gas (Figure 2). Similar trends are evident offshore as well (Figure 3), where only 10.5 million of the 44 million leased acres are currently producing oil or gas. Combined, oil and gas companies hold leases to nearly 68 million acres of federal land and waters that they are not producing oil and gas (Figure 4). Oil and gas companies would not buy leases to this land without believing oil and gas can be produced there, yet these same companies are not producing oil or gas from these areas already under their control. If we extrapolate from today=s production rates on federal land and waters, we can estimate that the 68 million acres of leased but currently inactive federal land and waters could produce an additional 4.8 million barrels of oil and 44.7 billion cubic feet of natural gas each day. That would nearly double total U.S. oil production, and increase natural gas production by 75%. It would also cut U.S. oil imports by more than a third, and be more than six times the estimated peak production from the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge (ANWR)."US Government PDF: http://resourcescommittee.house.…
- hedge0
To quote the words of energy policy expert Robert Bryce, “You can’t honestly approach energy issues with a partisan agenda. The key questions are how do we keep the lights on and how do we keep the economy moving by providing the energy we need at prices that work.
The era of cheap energy is over. It’s a bitter pill for a lot of Americans, but ultimately it’s one that they’re going to have to accept.”
- You're the one with the partisan agenda asshat.TheBlueOne
- Hardly.hedge
- johndiggity0
i think the more appropriate wording is "the era of cheap oil is over".
- hedge0
http://www.foxbusiness.com/story…
ANWR Drilling Could Cut 75 Cents From Oil Prices, DOE Says
WASHINGTON -- Producing oil from the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge in Alaska could cut crude oil prices by about 75 cents per barrel by 2025, the Energy Department said Thursday in a special analysis prepared for Sen. Ted Stevens, R-Alaska. The price decline would be about 0.6% of the current spot price. Under federal law, no drilling is now allowed in ANWR. Under the most likely case, production would begin in 2018 and peak in 2027 at 780,000 barrels per day, with total production of 2.6 billion barrels.
- 75 cents? that's it? not 75 PER cents?simple_space
- Every bit helps.hedge
- but in 2025? I'm fairly sure the benefits of esoteric energy sources would be felt by then without the cost of AWNR.simple_space
- And that's based on current demand figures....typical statistical "magic"TheBlueOne
- hedge0
A link to the House's resource committee, which just happens to have a democratic majority, Blue. I'm the one with the partisan agenda though, right?
- mrdobolina0
you link to fox news all the time
- They're no more biased than other national news outlets.hedge
- wow.mrdobolina
- Point50
I'm no expert, but I know that there is are a shitload of oil fields here in lower 48 have been capped by the government and oil companies in an effort to control supply and demand and keep prices on the high.
At least, that's what a drunk man at a bar told me (for 1.5 hours straight) about 6 years ago