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- ETM0
To vague... if you believe design and implementation is such a simple, throw away talent... why are you/would you want to be a designer?
Listen, pick a product, take 8 hours as you claim and show us what magic you can do. It's easy to say how a 'simple' site is to design when you have it done in front of you. Start from nothing, communicate to us. I am not belittling you, I am simply saying, prove us all wrong.
- vague0
i have nothing to prove. theres a shit load of young kids around online who already have crazy good works going, they just dont get paid for it.
and i dont believe design itself is a simple throw away talent -- but that site sure as hell is simple and could be thrown together in record time by anyone for little money. thus, its not WORTH $50k. only 1/5th of that.
there are countless examples of design & implementation that are obviously worth every freaking penny.
look at any work by theBarbarianGroup. look at any mograph company on motionographer. on and on and on.
no. little PinkBerry's static images of circles, autosliced into crummy unnecessary tables is not worth it. not by a longshot.
- you're equating the amount of pixels used on the screen to dollars to charge. Not a mature way to charge.jfletcher
- vague0
http://portfolio.barbariangroup.…
see that? now thats worth fucking $50,000. hell, $100,000 if you wanna be nice.
thats fucking skill, talent, implementation, great execution, great conceptualization.
blue circle, 2 lines of text, static image of yogurt, and dropdown boxes are not $50,000k material.
- killerqueen0
"I think you forgot, 100 hrs x $150 x couple of employees. each person is billed at $150/hr. so double it" -joyride
No, I specifically stated an AGENCY rate, meaning what the agency charges the client, not an employee rate. This isn't freelance, you don't charge per employee, you charge to cover time/costs/overhead.
- killerqueen0
Vague, I think you have no idea how long designing all those pages takes, then getting client input, finalizing, getting approval, doing revisions....can take.
It can easily compose half the development cycle. 100 hours for that site is about dead-on, the only thing in question would be at what rate do you charge the 100 hours.
- Client input, review, presentation and meetings are always time consuming.ETM
- jfletcher0
Again, you're missing the point vauge, I agree, I've seen many teenagers and students produce great work. I won't argue about that. However if it only took a few great screens, 15 year olds would be in business. If I could find a teenager who could articulate and put rational behind great work then boom, done, I'd hire him. But most of the time it's done to "make it look nice" That's not design. Nice, pretty, cool... these are biproducts of great design, not great design itself.
the site you reference is nice, and it's also a particular style. I wouldn't say it's worth more or less than pinkberry without really looking deeper into it.
I forgot who mentioned, but it's about the whole picture, the understanding. This is why certain agencies thrive, and some with great looking work die. It's why the dot com bust, despite beautiful work, failed. It's business, not simple, not pretty.... it's great design.
- That's not the only reason for the dotcom boom, but a factor.jfletcher
- jamble0
I need to get myself some $15k jobs like that. Looking at the site, I don't doubt for a second that would be about the right cost if they hired even a medium sized agency but I think the points made earlier about freelancers or small companies doing it for less are valid.
The point is a company like that launching a new brand/site probably won't use a small agency because the site will be part of a larger branding/PR effort.
Was it just me or does the first image remind you a little of 2 girls one cup?
- ismith0
Vague: I think you forget that when it comes to professional design, until you reach a certain level of stylistic notoriety, your only goal is to use your knowledge to make the client happy. If they want something basic, you give them something basic. Even if you don't love it, you do it to the best of your ability and thus there is no reason to charge less.
- Timson0
i think he means 15k including copy, photography, ...
development i'd say 2-3k tops.
