God's warriors
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- lemmys_wart0
"There's shit EVERYWHERE!"
-Bob Sagat
- lemmys_wart0
"Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbor's."
You can have yourself a Nigger but don't you dare fuck 'em.
-God
- incog0
Lemmy, I don't think you even know what you're trying to say. And I don't think anyone here takes you seriously.
Antonelli - we don't know the point of everything. We don't know why God created everything this way. It's not really for us to know, and even if we had the opportunity, might not understand anyway.
Sure it's the basis of all religions to claim they are true and right. Christianity is different. We've gotten into that before, and I'm sure you've heard the arguments.
You just keep asking the same questions no matter how many times or how well they are answered.
- mrdobolina0
Everytime you guys get backed into a corner it is because our feeble minds can't understand it. How is that not a cop out?
- ********0
Sure it's the basis of all religions to claim they are true and right. Christianity is different. We've gotten into that before, and I'm sure you've heard the arguments.
incog
(Aug 28 07, 10:47)LOL. this is EXACTLY what I mean. you say "christianity is DIFFERENT". bullshit! every religion thought their religion was "different" and "the one".
my questions have never been answered well...
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"We don't know the point of everything. We don't know why God created everything this way. It's not really for us to know, and even if we had the opportunity, might not understand anyway."
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man, everything you say is just a bunch of senseless illogical mumbo-jumbo based on nothing but opinion and emotion.
- incog0
Another sweeping statement. Every time?
There's not really a way of knowing God's intention. The book of Job declares basically that it is none of our business. Sure, we could guess, but I wouldn't want to make such claims here without having something to back it up.
Some of these are very abstract matters. Like the omniscience vs. free will argument. There are scientific principles and philosophical statements that prove equally difficult to understand. It's just the nature of logical discourse, right?
- TheBlueOne0
How about this God Warrior:
http://www.talk2action.org/story…
Just founded the AMerican Christian Anti-Defemation League.
What a fucking joke.
If I ran for president in the US and said I was an athiest I wouldn't be elected. Every presidiential candidate in this country has to talk about Jesus and their personal relationship to him and this fool says that christians are about to be "persecuted like in Darfur" in the US. Plays well in the sticks and the rubes who send him money to save them form the evil "'volutionists".
Oh, and shock and surprise - he has White House Ties.
It's All About The Power. Say whatever you want Flagellum, Gramme..this IS Christianity in America and it's all about Caeser.
- ********0
Why are people against learning from mistakes and progressing? I think it takes a lot more courage to admit we were wrong than to stubbornly hold on to dark-age convictions. is it about feeling honorable???
- TheBlueOne0
I like the way you use "sweeping generalization" as some kind of argument dismissal. This form a guy who follows a book that says:
"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.."
and " 'You shall have no other gods before Me."
My..those are pretty damn sweeping and general.
- ********0
"Why are people against learning from mistakes and progressing?"
Cause humans make mistakes... over and over and over again, until the robots take over. :(~
- ********0
There's not really a way of knowing God's intention. The book of Job declares basically that it is none of our business. Sure, we could guess, but I wouldn't want to make such claims here without having something to back it up.
incog
(Aug 28 07, 11:00)Of course they don't want it to be any of your business. they don't want you to question authority. so what people do is sit quietly and follow like mindless lemmings.
Just thinking out loud... there is no "master", and there is no use of "worshipping" something. to me, it's like loving a dictator. you don't need to call yourself feeble or a sinner either. there is no "sinning", it's just life, you can make bad things and good things happen. is this too simple for you? you can be good and live a good life and help others without religion, despite what your pastor says.
it was so refreshing to let go of "god", it made me realize how precious this life is, and in a way it makes you want to make the most of it in the here and now. i wish you could understand what it's like to be an atheist - truly. but i know you're thinking you wish i knew what it was like to be a christian. anyway, just blabbing.
- incog0
Anton - why all the insults? Can't we keep it civil?
Blue - Why do you keep coming back to this? I agree it's sad the way Christianity is used for politics in this country. I've said it before and will say it again - that doesn't mean that is the full extent and definition of Christianity.
Anton - I am perfectly willing to learn from my mistakes and progress. I am able to admit when I am wrong. Show me how I am wrong and I will concede.
Blue - You made a sweeping statement that all I can say is our tiny brains can't understand. I have in no way done that as an answer to every question, plain and simple.
- ********0
Anton - I am perfectly willing to learn from my mistakes and progress. I am able to admit when I am wrong. Show me how I am wrong and I will concede.
incog
(Aug 28 07, 11:20)Nah, you're not able to. A lot of people aren't able to in this world. It's rooted in many things, fear, insecurities, holes in your life, influences from parents, brainwashing.
It a slow process, but hopefully one day in the future we'll get over these superstitious beliefs. Sadly not in my lifetime.
- incog0
Antonelli - I appreciate what you said. You're being genuine.
I am not a mindless follower. I have arrived at my beliefs after honest introspection and testing.
I admit that that question is one of the greatest struggles i have had with my faith, and as I said before, the questions you are asking are difficult. It's like trying to get Special Relativity without grasping algebra (and I don't mean that as an insult).
The Bible commends followers for constantly testing their beliefs and testing what others say against the scriptures.
I have been to the verge of atheism, although I can't say I know how my adult lifestyle would be different following that set of beliefs. And you're right, I do wish you could see it from my perspective.
- incog0
Haha sure I am. It's so easy for you to pigeon-hole me, isn't it?
I'm not saying I have all the answers - just providing what I have learned through my own research.
- ********0
research? seriously? have you researched the location of heaven? have you interviewed satan?
what you have is a book that blunty states:
"In the beginning god created the heaven and the earth."have you researched THAT? how do you go about doing that?
It seems like you just read the religious texts and qualify that as "research". it is not research.
the difference is that scientists will do experiments and THEN document the results in text. What religion does is bypass the experimental phases and ACTUAL research, and goes straight to the text (bible in your case). it just conclusion without any basis.
just because you read something that says something is true, doesn't mean it is. you need to have something to back it up. it doesn't seem like you guys have anything to back up your outrageous claims. subtle hints in the bible??? WTF.
- incog0
By research I meant comparing the words in the Bible to modern knowledge (including scientific) and with history.
I have compared Christianity to other religions.
Also, examining the Bible for truth and consistency.
- TheBlueOne0
Blue - Why do you keep coming back to this?
incog
(Aug 28 07, 11:20)I dunno. The thread title and topic was "God Warriors" about an CNN expose about religious fundamentalists of different traditions using violence to impose political will based on religious teachings. I was staying on topic.
I could care less what how you worship whatever god you believe in, could care less if that leads you to engage in society in a positive and purposeful direction, but when relgiion backed by the state monopoly on violence gets together then I give a shit. And if all the "non-political" christian are blind to what the Dominionists and other whackjob christians in this country are doing and not policing them on your own turf well then it becomes my problem as well.
- mrdobolina0
That is why I care also, you people can have purity balls, wear chastity belts and think the teletubbies are gay for all I care.
Just stay out of other people's business.
- incog0
Point taken.
I just meant the thing about not calling all Christians wack jobs just because some are.
And believe me, "policing" the christian scene is a much more challenging pursuit than you'd think.