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- flagellum0
Brookoioi: No. Respects freewill so much that he offers eternal life as a free gift to all who would receive it.
Romans 6:23:
For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
- ********0
So, it's power was provided by two P&W R-4360-31 engines with contra-rotating propellers and
- Mimio0
If the God of the Bible respects freewill then he is not omniscient, and in-turn a liar.
Thank you Hume.
- TheBlueOne0
Well, it's been fun all..gots to get some actual work done..
Peace...
- incog0
Brook -
Really, God is far beyond your petty logic. He has the right to create our reality in whatever way he chooses. Read the book of Job - it's good at illustrating this.
If you're bitter about it, you have the right of choice, but an excellent choice is provided through Christ as flag said.
- Brookoioioi0
If the God of the Bible respects freewill then he is not omniscient, and in-turn a liar.
Thank you Hume.
Mimio
(Aug 28 07, 09:17)bickity bam!
- incog0
I also recommend the book of Ecclesiastes. It is the most incredible piece of writing I have ever read.
Mimio - not sure I follow you.
Lunchtime. I've enjoyed it as well. later kids.
- flagellum0
God's omniscience is perfectly compatible with freewill. Foreknowledge should not be confused with predestination. Also see: Middle Knowledge.
Thank you Craig, Kant, Lewis, etc... etc...
- Brookoioioi0
Can omnipotent God, who
Knows the future, find
The omnipotence to
Change His future mind?-- Karen Ownens
- ********0
Oh man, nice going, good stuff. For that was more predictable than three little peanuts sliding into the hole of one's cup.
- Mimio0
Omniscience would mean predestination if you're the single causation for everything. You would be creating things with the knowledge of their total outcome and choices. Either way, it's sadistic, to create something so that it would be destroyed/tortured eternally.
- flagellum0
that's your limited opinion, mimio. And you can't seem to see the difference between foreknowledge and predestination. (why am i not surprised that you attempting to discuss Reformed theology, would be a bit unrefined). Knowing the future does not = forcing the will of individuals. And do you really think our feeble little human minds and can fully comprehend such a relationship? How naive.
Spend some time here.... lots of time actually...
- flagellum0
forgot this one:
- Brookoioioi0
"And do you really think our feeble little human minds and can fully comprehend such a relationship? "
Well you seem quite confident that your feeble little mind can, considering the metaphysical spam poetry you trot out here impresses no-one except your fellow faith heads, i suggest you go back to school and pay more attention in a real science class.
- Brookoioioi0
"God could have reasons for sending people to hell that we cannot understand."
Well thats cleared that up then, how insightful...
- ********0
Oh man, nice heat, thank you. For that was more derogatory than three inquisitions clawing to save one's vision.
- Mimio0
I didn't say it forced their actions directly. I said the God knows their outcome at the point of creation. I'm also aware that freewill and determinism are at odds and that these terms represent a limit in human understanding. That said, my point is that I would never be so arrogant to assume that such an omnipotent thing exists in the first place.
- flagellum0
and I would never be so arrogant to assume that I could fully comprehend the relationship between determinism and freewill.
being a wee fallen human and all.
- flagellum0
Brookoioi: My real science classes were good. We actually did expermentation with predictable results. A far cry from the Darwinian just-so stories which have no empirical evidence to support them.
You really should read something other than Dawkins.
- ********0
so really, whats the point of all of it? whats that point of a god who gets to decide whether we go to hell or heaven? so he makes his ultimate decision for each of us based on our choices... ok, fine. then what? is the whole point of it that he just wants "good" people around him?
does it not mean ANYTHING to you religious people that there have been countless religions in history that have claimed their religion was true and right, but have ultimately faded away. and today we laugh at those old "myth" religions, but still hold on to modern day religions and call those undoubtedly "true" and "right".