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- gramme0
why on earth would you support their rights as parents without supporting their rights as partners?
paraselene
(Jun 28 06, 08:24)being their child's godfather doesn't mean I support the notion of them being parents. It just means I care about the welfare of their kid and care enough about my friends in order to look after said kid.
- gramme0
i really does not surprise me that you don't see it as arrogant
Seff
(Jun 28 06, 08:26)the belief in absolute truth always appears as arrogant to those who don't agree. That's how it's always been.
- Seff0
say gay partner.. can you believe gramme won't come to our wedding??
I know, that's messed up..
You think if we ask he will be our kids godfather??
I sure hope so..
let's ask real nice, k?
- mrdobolina0
how can this be seen any other way than it is.
You lead the righteous life and 'disapprove' of other people's lifestyles.
That is the definition of arrogant.
- Jaline0
why on earth would you support their rights as parents without supporting their rights as partners?
paraselene
(Jun 28 06, 08:24)being their child's godfather doesn't mean I support the notion of them being parents. It just means I care about the welfare of their kid and care enough about my friends in order to look after said kid.
gramme
(Jun 28 06, 08:26)yes, but being unified and having children are really closely tied together, at least in our culture. Being a godfather suggests that you agree with their decision because you are also a form of a guardian, putting you at the same level as the parents.
- mrdobolina0
can;t people do the right thing without having to involve spirits and shit?
whatever happened to being a good person just for the sake of being a good person?
religion strips people of accountability.
WE ARE ALL SINNERS!
- paraselene0
i get a 404 with some of that logic. you don't support your friends' relationship with one another, nor do you support their relationship with their child. it doesn't sound to me like you care about them at all, denying the validity of the most important human relationships in their lives. i'm glad these are hypothetical friends.
- flagellum0
gramme, people have a difficult time understanding when you hold to absolutes. They misunderstand it as being self-righteous or judgemental. When it comes to Christianity, people automatically go on the defensive for this reason and others. They ASSUME that you are looking down on them, when you are not. Part of it is because they become self conscious about the fact that you have gotten your heart right with God and they know they haven't, etc... those kinds of things. It is our responsibility as believers to clearly communicate that we do not have it together and the only reason we are even here is because of the unfathomable love of Christ and the forgiveness we do not deserve.
- mrdobolina0
why do the serious zealots like flagellum always play the victim?
- Mimio0
//I love you poor condemned souls. Don't make that kid of yours gay now!
Must be a lively friendship.
- Seff0
great use of "They" flagellum
that is the arrogant piss i am talking about
- bolder0
pc or mac?
- flagellum0
Mimio:
Like it or not, I have gay friends that know my stance regarding their lifestyle. They also know that I know how prone I am to sin and failure. They also know that I have a stance on sex outside of marriage. They also know that I can be a hypocrite because I'm still subject to sin.
They are still my friends.
- gramme0
agreed, flagellum. And thanks for helping me clarify.
dobs, most of my friends are acutally not Christians. They know how I feel, and yet we are still very close. I don't go on like a broken record, but if they ask how I feel about anything I will be as honest as prudence and consideration allows.
And Paraselene, I used to work with several gay people, even became friends with them. Sadly we lost touch, as that was back in the day when I lived in Baltimore. I wish we had been better friends and would have stayed close. They knew how I felt, and yet we were still able to drink beers together.
- flagellum0
They = some people, Seff.
Where's your disconnect?
- Mimio0
C'mon people, you're well aware that you're dealing with people who assume moral authority (via the Bible, or is it the Holy Spirit?) as their core belief.
- paraselene0
we were still able to drink beers together.
gramme
(Jun 28 06, 08:42)that's one thing. but i would be terribly surprised if, knowing your beliefs, they would ever choose to invite you into their more intimate circles where people like best men and godfathers hang out. your beliefs would preclude your ability to ever be a true, supportive friend to them.
- flagellum0
C'mon people, you're well aware that you're dealing with people who assume moral authority (via the Bible, or is it the Holy Spirit?) as their core belief.
Mimio
(Jun 28 06, 08:43)And who assume moral authority because it's the only option that makes logical sense. Just contemplate the logical extreme of the notion of relative morality for a second or two and you'll see why.
- mrdobolina0
so you do think you are better than other people then, right? someone copy and paste that shit, dude's got the blinders up.
- Mimio0
One of these days they'll discover that sin gene that seems to be fucking us all up and turning us into the devil's playthings.