Intelligent? Design
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- gramme0
SOMETIMES SPIFF HAS A HARD TIME CONTROLLING THE VOLUME OF HIS VOICE
- Ekard0
"look at the facts, hard rock and bone facts..." - v3nt
that's a bunch of crap dude. there's no such thing as true fact when it comes to the argument of how things came to be!
no one can prove anything. simple as that.
- tank020
as always, unfit is right.
go unfit.
- v3nt0
unfit made the most mature comment out of the lo0t. sorry if i was blasé, but i've read through so many of these posts on a designers' website. they don't belong here. leave the HARD facts(which do exist, as much i've pressed 'Broadcast live') to the people who dedicate their lives to scientific research - no matter what race, religion or nationality - the idea of a god(any) has been disproved independantly, just like all the old gods which our ancestors believed in; Zeus, Athena, Thor, Apollo, Arawn, Brigid, Cernunnos, Cerridwen, Danu, Herne, Lugh, Morgan, Rhiannon.
religion is part of developement, that's why old ones give way to new more influentials. It seems we're going backwards. You see, i've started again... goodnight all.
- mrdobolina0
It's funny that this is agreed upon by a lot of people and they all cite religious reasons, but discipler says it isnt a religious issue.
- jevad0
New Year's Resolution No.5
Don't pipe in on any politcal, religious, or troll threads on NT
- mrdobolina0
If you agree with discipler, on religious reasons, he will not tell you that you are wrong and that ID has nothing to do with religion. But disagree with him on religious reasons and it is entirely different and ID has nothing to do with religion.
Choose one and stick with it.
- gramme0
The existence of God, or at least *a* god, has also been proven by as many philosophers and great thinkers as those who have used logic to disprove the existence of God. The fact that no God can be seen by human eyes means that the argument will never cease. Faith has very little to do with logic, and those without will never understand those with. It's a thing that's either revealed to you or not. It doesn't make one man better than another. Please do not be confused about the difference between intelligence and faith.
I think, however, that our bickering about these issues points more strongly than anything I could say to the fact that everything craves a god, a thing to worship. Whether it's Christ, Buddha, a career, a relationship, money (far more ubiquitous than any other faith), or what have you, everyone worships.
It's inescapable. And yes, v3nt, we are most certainly disgressing. Something fundamental shrivels inside a person when they ignore the things that separate us from the apes. People start acting like babboons, we've seen it here.
- gramme0
*digressing i mean*
- pavlovs_dog0
so, yea, right.
...um, throught, say a good 80-90% of xtian history i would have been executed or imprisoned for simply saying the things i've typed here...
secualr society is evolution. our (western) culture is superior because of it.
convert, and more to kuwait if you want (mostly) ancient fairy tales as your guide.
additionally the followers of any text, be it mein kampf or the bible, that claims an absolute monopoly on the truth... well you should be prepared for a little backlash.
- gramme0
course I'm prepared Pav. Though I would never stoop to insulting your intelligence over your beliefs, I must say.
I know Christians that are narrow-minded idiots as well as atheists & agnostics that are narrow minded-idiots. Faith holds no preference for intelligence.
- liquid0
New Year's Resolution No.5
Don't pipe in on any politcal, religious, or troll threads on NT
jevad
(Jan 2 06, 19:09)
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I started last year.... :-D.... and I am a much happier individual for it.... and people may still dislike me on here....but they don't tell me anymore...# threads on religion: too many
# threads discipler will post in on religion: all of them
# threads discipler will post in topics other then religion: nonedude.....you are really really really getting tiresome....
you are officially an idiot in my book and you are now blocked...
- twooh0
I'm not the one asking for special considerations for my superstitions, twooh.
mrdobolina
(Jan 2 06, 08:09)
-----------------------Haha. Wow, and religious people are arrogant and ignorant?
You're just as much of a zealot as "those Christians".
Ooops, didn't mean to hit you with the 'hypocrite hammer'
=(
- pavlovs_dog0
last word?
- liquid0
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death to this thread
- gramme0
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- chameleonic0
It can't bo long off in the future when science gets macro enough that it discovers a 'god' and religious zealots have to admit it's all just very small physics. yes it's wonderous, but we never will understand it if we keep giving this 'god' human attributes and equate it's 'design' with our human understanding of intelligence. human arrogance will be the death of us all - not because some don't beleive the right stuff. nobody truly know's what's going on.
- Nairn0
* pokes head in thread, pulls down pants, leaves small steaming poo to fester in corner. Eyes round shiftily..
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/art…
** ..exits, hastily.
- Bluejam0
this thread is sooooooo 2005
- discipler0
Hi unfitt,
"Evolution is a robust scientifically derived observation that has been tested and confirmed again and again over the past 150 years."
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Depends on what you mean by "Evolution". If you mean adaptative change over time, within a species, sure. But, if you mean the evolution of one species into novel species, then, no. Falsifying Macro-Evolution is effectively impossible. To do so one must show that no conceivable Darwinian pathway could have led to a given biological structure. Can't be done. And the empirical evidence doesn't exist. Just a lot of hand-waving tales and clever textbook illustrations that people have bought into. Again, the fossil record demonstrates the sudden appearance of millions of novel body plans and then stasis, during the Cambrian era.
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"Intelligent design is not science at all, but a well-financed political and religious campaign to muddy science, and introduce religion in the classroom."
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This is tired propaganda. As I've shown via links from the founding scientists behind ID, it has nothing to do with religion. It is science which looks for specified complexity in living systems. Similar to Archaeology - determining specified complexity vs. random unguided mechanisms. Don't conflate the science with it's implications. If specified complexity cannot be tested and falsified, then you have to throw Archaeology out the window too.
Unprogressive? Quite the opposite. What is unprogressive is holding on to the antiquated "science" of Darwinism. We have new data. Embrace it. Don't fear it.