Intelligent? Design
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A very wise man oncre said something like give unto ceaser...retc etc..
I say give unto scientists what is science and give to god what is god's you know...last I checked Jesus was supposed to be about compassion and getting people to see the planks in their own eyes..i don't think he said anything about dinosaurs or the age of the earth, or even being anyone's handy dandy "personal savior"
- QuincyArcher0
i've gotten a little exasperated with these threads, because they almost always degenerate into what a "smart" or "thinking" person would do.
And since there's an amount of uncertainty associated with both sides, i doubt we here at NT will get to the bottom of this one.
- gramme0
WORD. What I was getting at above, Quince.
- discipler0
It helps to know what ID actually is... but alas, people here won't take the time to learn. They want it to be something that it isn't, so that they can set up their straw-man and then knock him down. Makes things much easier to be intellectually dishonest, i suppose.
I provided a link at the beginning of this thread that gives and excellent overview, by one of ID's leading proponents. Don't be frightened... read it.
- QuincyArcher0
I think part of the "understanding" issue is that a because a person doesn't believe something will never fully understand it.
For example, a person who believes in ID will never fully understand evolution because they don't believe it. The flaws in the theory become more pronounced, so there's always going to be confusion.
or it could be a simple case of not putting for the effort to understand.
i hope you understand what i'm getting at.
- discipler0
Perhaps in some cases. But one can only make an authentic decision about an issue if they know both sides of the issue very well. If one neglects to consider the opposing sides' arguments, then they are making a decision from ignorance. In the case of ID, you have people dismissing it without having a clue what it is! Why? Simply because they know that it can, in some way, have theistic implications. So, it's not even considered. This is intellectual dishonesty. I couldn't sleep at night, thinking that way.
- mrdobolina0
ID requires faith in a higher being, thus it shouldnt be taught in public schools. case closed.
If you would like to teach this to your own kids, awesome. If you would like to send your kids to private schools that teach ID, go nuts. Noone is trying to stop you from doing that.
- discipler0
See what I mean? Mrdobs, you still don't have a clue.
ID does not require faith in a higher being. ID is simply a label for significant scientific discoveries over the last 30 years or so.
Take 2 minutes to learn the issue.
- QuincyArcher0
I'm a little unsure about the "should ID be taught in school" issue, and that's mainly because i don't care one way or the other.
I believe in ID. but i sat through the evolution part of biology class in highschool, and took it as an opportunity to learn what other people believe. I found it facinating.
In that same "curiousity" mentality, i feel that there should be some kind of "religions of the world" class. Teach what a few of the major religions believe (christianity, islam, buddism, etc), differences in denominations, etc.
how would you feel about a class like that, mrdobolina?
- mrdobolina0
who is the intelligent designer, is it a human man?
- dablammit0
Intelligent design deliberately does not try to identify or name the specific agent of creation – it merely states that one (or more) must exist. While intelligent design itself does not name the designer, the personal view of many proponents is that the designer is the Christian god. Whether this was a genuine feature of the concept or just a posture taken to avoid alienating those who would separate religion from science-teaching has been a matter of great debate between supporters and critics of intelligent design. The Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District court ruling held the latter to be the case.
Intelligent Design=Creationism Undercover
- discipler0
"Intelligent Design=Creationism Undercover."
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Propaganda and nonsense.
Intelligent Design is quite simply:
"Intelligent Design is the study of patterns in nature
that are best explained as the result of intelligence."What types of things are we talking about? Namely...
- Outboard motor assemblies on bacteria.
- Sequential digital code (DNA) in the cell.
- Exquisite Nanotechnology in the cell.In short, systems which could not have been produced by Darwinian Gradualism.
Now, what does any of that have to do with a religious text about creation?
Nothing. It's science. Current science.
- discipler0
Again, shall i suggest to my agnostic friends who are staunch ID proponents, that it is merely creationism in disquise?
claptrap.
- Mal0
Your lives are passing you by as you argue pointless subjects with fundamentalists.
Go and have fun instead.
- rson0
Sorry, I really did not want to participate in this thread but disicpler what hell are you talking about. ID is not " significant scientific discoveries over the last 30 years or so.”
The Scientific community simple states that ID is not a tested scientific theory but a cleverly marketed effort to introduce religious beliefs in the public school system. I am not going to argue who is right or wrong but ID is not in anyway scientific.
- gramme0
that's a great word discipler. Claptrap. Sounds like an unsavory woman.
how bout
ballyhoo
tomfoolery
nincompoopery
...just kidding man. Your skills at debate are terrifying. Respect.
- discipler0
Your lives are passing you by as you employ charged rhetoric like "fundamentalists".
Go and learn instead.
Mal
(Jan 2 06, 10:50)
- tank020
esign is the study of patterns in nature
that are best explained as the result of intelligence."What types of things are we talking about? Namely...
- Outboard motor assemblies on bacteria.
- Sequential digital code (DNA) in the cell.
- Exquisite Nanotechnology in the cell.In short, systems which could not have been produced by Darwinian Gradualism.
Now, what does any of that have to do with a religious text about creation?
Nothing. It's science. Current science.
discipler
(Jan 2 06, 10:48)-ever seen pi, discipler?
- mrdobolina0
Discipler, do you work for discovery or ideacenter?
- gramme0
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