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- discipler0
Nope, mrdobs, people just do not understand how to read the OT. The principle rule of Hermeneutics is that you always interpret the OT in light of the NT. Not the reverse. The NT completes/fulfills the OT and it's foreshadowing. People like pavlov demonstrate that they haven't taken the time to learn what the word "slavery" means in the Hebrew language and culture. They were essentially members of the family. Additionally, God dealt with a stubborn rebellious people who insisted on keeping their customs. God, choosing to not violate their freewill, gave them regulations for the precepts they insisted on keeping.
- discipler0
precisely what gramme said.
- turnerworks0
... in addition, the OT has fantastic imagery. Check out Isiah or Song of Solomon. Great books.
- discipler0
pavlov, welcome to my ignore list. You and version3 will be good company there. :)
I'm only interested in productive discourse, not playground rules with simpletons.
- spifflink0
wow thats saying a lot
- Mimio0
The OT clearly outlines the treatment of slaves as if they were posessions of their masters. You're in denial discipler, and I don't mean a river in Egypt.
- Momentum0
oh mimio, i like how you but in that line hahaha....
- discipler0
and you don't understand cultural context, mimio, nor how to approach Biblical interpretation.
Certainly they were the property of their masters. This was a primitive nomadic culture. Doesn't mean God condoned it. He merely set guidelines for their stubborn precepts.
- spifflink0
and clearly you do...
- Mimio0
He should have corrected their behavior, a simple byline in Leviticus would have done the trick. He tells them when and how to have sex with their wives...a little guidance on basic human rights would have been nice.
- gramme0
I think being enslaved by Babylonians and taken away from hom for a few generations took care of that, Mimio.
- yarsrevenge0
You jews crack me up. Hatin on christians. Really man... squash it.
- spifflink0
i am glad none of you are politicians...
- Momentum0
people are just stubborn, you read the OT and even though so much things looks harsh there was so much compassion from God yet they still complained to GOd, God freed them from Egypt then they say man we should of just stayed cause now they are going to die, but they wanted to be saved, then they are in the dessert God springs forth water they later on complain they don't have food, God sends bread from the heavens then they complain they don't have mean, God sends quail then they complain its only quail.... people are stubborn yet God is still compassionate.. how come none of those passages are quoted?
- ********0
Don't let a couple bad examples ruin your experience if your truly seeking Christ. Take it up with the Man himself.
turnerworks
(Jan 3 06, 10:37)I'm not really seeking Christ. I was surrounded by the guy for twelve years of education. I left him behind honestly, as I find the Buddha as a far more elegant and eloquent spiritual wellspring. Everything in Christianity is about Sin, which at the end of the day is whatever you want it to be, in Buddhism, it's about dealing with suffering, which whil espiritual, is rooted in every living human's experience. Therefore, Budha dealt with real things, Jesus dealt with imaginary and arbitrary
"sins" that are culture and temporally specific...but hey, the Sermon on The Mount is great stuff...
- Momentum0
let me know if this is true...
you who don't believe or have a hard time with it or are angry at christianity... did you grow up in a "christian context"?
i think its sad the the answer is going to be yes...
as followers of Christ I pray I'm not addidng to your distance from God..
- discipler0
There is a vast chasm between knowing about Christ and knowing him personally in a saving relationship.
The former does nothing, the latter changes the heart permanently.
- pavlovs_dog0
i love what this thread has become...
- Momentum0
ya pav haha... good times good times
- Mimio0
Momentum, he should have sent those poor bastards a map. They spent some 40 years making a trip from Egypt to Canaan, which should have taken about 2 weeks.