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- mg330
It's a workflow issue as well as the boring static aspect of it. Can CSS currently address those issues?
tommyb
(Sep 22 05, 23:48)
--------------------------------...With that said, you are not arguing between CSS and Flash, you are arguing between HTML and Flash.
And as for workflow? There is no way that Flash can have a workflow advantage over HTML. If you build websites, if you provide sites to clients, you should know HTML like the back of your hand. You should know how to relate a site mockup in Photoshop to how it will be set up in CSS, or in HTML tables. It's as simple as setting up your guides, making measurements, etc.
- heavyt0
let me add that too many people build sites in flash just because they dont know html very well.
Those who are good at web, know all of the mediums, and the advantages/disadvantages of each.
That way you can build the site using the most appropriate technology(ies).
For instance, if SEO is of any concern, you cant build using flash, etc.
There a dozens of languages/technologies for the web, so dont decide on just 1 for everything.TR1
- cloneboy0
Seperating Design from Code is a great idea, but CSS is a botch of a solution, thrown together by techies, who understand nothing of the fundamental of visual design.
They have effectively thrown out the concept of the GRID which is the backbone of all design.
There is no way on this earth that you should have to spend weeks reading articles about how to hack code to get a basic layout going in any code language. Fundamentally the tags and the floating, and the rest of the hack solutions they have come up with are flawed for anyone using any kind of a grid system, or website that isn't just a blog.
- determinedmoth0
It's a workflow issue as well as the boring static aspect of it. Can CSS currently address those issues?
tommyb
(Sep 22 05, 23:48)
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Of course it can.
That's the point. You can redesign the whole site without starting from scratch.
Apple make a new PDA - You make a new style sheet - job done.
- determinedmoth0
You'd have to make 7 different flash files to suit 7 different devices......... Where's the work flow in that?
- jDs0
css and flash are not designed for, nor used for, the same purpose.
your post doesn't make much sense my friend.
flash = huge crappy proprietary IDE for pretty things that move and stuff.
css = formatting language for the mostly static web designed for maintainability.
i don't know how/where/why you're bringing Java into the conversation, which is a programming language.
- kelpie0
"They have effectively thrown out the concept of the GRID which is the backbone of all design."
this though, is irrefutably true and an utter pain in the arse, well said.
*looks for a new bandwagon ;)
- jDs0
Gee, great, If I want to do a hundred revs to the site, great. But when dealing with one off sites, Id rather draw my design, not type it. It's a workflow issue as well as the boring static aspect of it. Can CSS currently address those issues?
tommyb
(Sep 22 05, 23:48)You should try Dreamweaver, or FrontPage if you're so against "typing" your design. That's a tool for non-typers I guess.
- mg330
cloneboy,
You sound just like someone who either can't put their mind around complexity because you haven't been doing this long, or, you sound like someone who just doesn't have the determination to spend time learning how to do something correctly.
Sorry for my assumptions, but I've seen thousands of you before.
- toastie0
think of html/css as pencil and paper and flash as a giant bag of smelly turds.
I hope it's a clear analogy.
- seed0
How does CSS inhibit you from making a grid?
- cloneboy0
It is not a matter of learning to do something correctly. The language of CSS itself is not built with a visual model in mind. It is a mess.
Just think about how you would teach a class to code a website in CSS with any kind of complex grid layout.
- Nairn0
How does CSS inhibit you from making a grid?
seed
(Sep 23 05, 07:16)x2
- kelpie0
How does CSS inhibit you from making a grid?
seed
(Sep 23 05, 07:16)as a designer, I've had many a groan from programmers as I hand over another 'perfectly' grided design and they complain about having to use tables and such or spending an over budget age doing it cleverly. Just an observation :)
- toastie0
What, exactly, is a problem here? You don't sound like you're very good with CSS, which, i must admit, has its faults, but nonetheleess a brilliant way to style and layout.
- toastie0
I think the problem is that alot of deisgners design things for the web without really understanding how it's going to be implemented, and thus, not accounting for it.
- determinedmoth0
How does CSS inhibit you from making a grid?
seed
(Sep 23 05, 07:16)+3
I've never had a problem. If anything - it forces you too.
- mg330
Another thing - CSS doesn't get learned over night like learning how to do a simple HTML site. How hard was it for anyone to learn the most basic HTML tags?
But CSS, it's complex because it can be applied in so many different days. That spells FREEDOM as far as I'm concerned.
Yes, CSS spells FREEDOM.
- bot0
CSS sounds like what somthing a snake might say
- kelpie0
I think the problem is that alot of deisgners design things for the web without really understanding how it's going to be implemented, and thus, not accounting for it.
toastie
(Sep 23 05, 07:23)some are pretty good like that though, and the problem can't always be left at our door - the tech should take the needs of the medium into account in a more broad sense sometimes. I think