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- discipler0
DUDE you really skipped the advances neurology made the last 2 decades, i will admit it is a you science, but there is not ghost or soul in the machine. It's all in the neat clean package called brain.
Hym
(Jul 15 05, 07:49)
-------------------------------I flatly disagree, Hym. Neurology has not provided an explanation for such phenominon. Physicalism cannot be true of several reasons: 1. If every process had a physical explanation, we could graph it all and it could only be described from a 3rd person point of view. But we have first-person, subjective points of view. 2. It would also negate free will because we would all be subject to the fixed laws of nature - everything would be fatalistically determined. No free will, if we're all just physical and there's no distinction between the brain and the "mind". And you could not hold me responsible for any act I commit because it's rigged by genetics and environment. 3. Physicalism cannot explain out of body experiences when there is no brain activity - which have been related many times. 4. Dr. Penfield said, "There is no place [in the brain] where electrical stimulation will cause a patient ot believe or decide." 5. The brain cannot be stimulated to produce metaphysical realities like, love, the experience of color, deep emotional pain, etc...
No sir, we are far more than just a collection of neurons which react to stimuli.
- vespa0
vespa's right.
*looks at feet
paraselene
(Jul 15 05, 07:57)*looks at para's feet
nice shoes doll!
- anon0
bonseff knows what he's talking about, church of slack, hail bob.
- BonSeff0
Hail Bob brother in slack
- ********0
determinedmoth. you're right.
i'm going to call the makers of sporks and garth brooks and appologize.
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- silencer0
Discipler lives in the Prayboy Mansion
mrdobolina
(Jul 15 05, 08:00)lol monsieurDobber
- vespa0
5. The brain cannot be stimulated to produce metaphysical realities like, love, the experience of color, deep emotional pain, etc...
No sir, we are far more than just a collection of neurons which react to stimuli.
discipler
(Jul 15 05, 08:03)have you ever taken exstacy, discipler? i'm not being facetious, but honestly chemical reactions are why so many people "see god" on drugs.
- paraselene0
vespa's right.
*looks at feet
paraselene
(Jul 15 05, 07:57)*looks at para's feet
nice shoes doll!
vespa
(Jul 15 05, 08:04)*attempts to quell a smug grin
**fails
- Mimio0
There is only naturalism. Unless we can start seeing or testing super- or extra-natural occurances that's all we have to go on.
- discipler0
vespa, there's a vast chasm between drug induced halucination and ability to willfully decide or believe something.
- anon0
bonseff, have you ever listend to the hour of slacks broadcasts? if not, you should!
- Hym0
http://www.rvu.nl/rvu.php?i=4&am…
Too bad this is in dutch, a program from the Dutch Educative broadcast.The first episode of the program labeled nicely "God doesn't Exist" was an interview with a respected neurologist. He must be a major failure if your statements about that science are more correct than his.
And don't oversimplify my words, a person is not just the product of his genes, nor is every crime caused by some phsyical disorder.
- Mimio0
Anybody read "The "God" Part of the Brain" by Matthew Alper?
- discipler0
There is only naturalism. Unless we can start seeing or testing super- or extra-natural occurances that's all we have to go on.
Mimio
(Jul 15 05, 08:09)
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That's only if you presuppose that fallible human testing methods are the be-all end-all. If the human conscience exists, it cannot be tested in a lab. We have to look at the legitimacy of metaphysical realities in addition to what we can touch, taste and test.
- BonSeff0
sweet anon, thanks!
- Mimio0
Discipler, likes to over simply naturalism for dramatic effect. Lots of animals perceive color and feel emotion and there's a slew of reasons why that's necessary to their sucess as living creatures.
- mrdobolina0
none of yur philosophies can be tested in a lab, discipler. did you ever think about that? it's all faith.
maybe that is why we give you shit, que?
- paraselene0
5. The brain cannot be stimulated to produce metaphysical realities like, love, the experience of color, deep emotional pain, etc...
No sir, we are far more than just a collection of neurons which react to stimuli.
discipler
(Jul 15 05, 08:03)have you ever taken exstacy, discipler? i'm not being facetious, but honestly chemical reactions are why so many people "see god" on drugs.
vespa
(Jul 15 05, 08:08)vespa, there's a vast chasm between drug induced halucination and ability to willfully decide or believe something.
discipler
(Jul 15 05, 08:10)erm. not sure that that was what the gal was getting at. and even if it was, i think it's a fool's paradise to claim that emotion is somehow ontologically priveledged over neurology. experiential reality is experiential reality, whether you act and react to the drug called mdma, the drug called god or the drug called reality.
- vespa0
oh i completely agree discipler, but was just disputing your point that "The brain cannot be stimulated to produce metaphysical realities like, love, the experience of color, deep emotional pain, etc..."
the fact that the brain can be stimulated to do such things is the reason why i don't think the most important pursuit in life is happiness. because if happiness was the object we'd just take drugs constantly and be done with it.