Design Rates Of Pay
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- gpop
Okay, we've covered this before im sure but...
How much (in your opinons) is the going/average salary fro these design positions:
junior graduate : £?
junior 1-2 yrs : £?
midd 2-4yrs : £?
mid/sen 5yrs : £?
senior/director : £?Freelancer 2-4 years : £? per day/hour
Freelancer 5 years+ :£? per day/houreither print/web based
This might give a few people an idea of what to expect/what they can ask for.
(and will back up my attacking new fee request in just compiling!!! which happens to be freeelance 3+ yrs print and web! )
- gpop0
lets narrow it - UK rates
- clerk0
ok, i remember seeing some statistics here:
- stem0
Supply & Demand
It's a simple calculation:
1. Your percieved value
2. What your client is prepared to pay.Answer = somewhere in the middle!
- gpop0
cheers - but i was kind hoping to get in here a few averages for others to see too!
- nicko0
Rough guesses:
junior graduate : £18,000
junior 1-2 yrs : £20,000
midd 2-4yrs : £25,000
mid/sen 5yrs : £30,000
senior/director : £40,000Freelancer 2-4 years : £150 per day
Freelancer 5 years+ :£200 per day
- stem0
Dont get bogged down with all that pigeon-holeing
Junior-graduate
Junior
Senior
Design Guruit's bollox
Talent is no respector of time in the job, there are new kids in this game who can piss all over people who have been doing it for 10 years!
Show your client/employer your work - bash out a salary from there!
- gpop0
yeah stem kinda!
in my situation i am slowly taking complete design control of an agency as the 2 directors chase their clothing dreams. This means over the last 14 months ive freelanced to them the weeks are full and the responsibility and commitment has rocketed. now - i started on a low daily rate and am (after 14 months) going to ask to increase it - i would like a ballpark figure to back me up with! i know most in my situ aree on £180 / £200 a day but just want to see what actually is happening away from my own mates
- stem0
Always be aware...
Someone will always do it cheaper!!!
- gpop0
cheers nicko - they hit waht i expected!
:)
- gpop0
im not saying we should all be pigeon holed but it does happen when you walk into an agenncy and the director asks
"so whats your experience?"
talent and skill grows with experience + so does confidence with the designing!
- slowpoke0
At present it's a mugs market. Ie: young kids and veterans alike pricing themselves out of the market. A cool job it may be, but first and foremost, it's a job that requires a lot of talent that should be made available at a sensible premium. Like all other products and services, it should be priced according to the expected revenue or saving generated by a particular action. so does design make money? you're damn right it does. We need a union of governing body, some mark that defines standards of quality, once that is inplace, I would see designers on a par with their advertising opposites. So, i'd say this
Jnr: 18-25k
Mid: 25 - 35k
Snr: 35-55k
CD: 55k +two things need to happen to make this possible. People, especially students need to stop working for free. Secondly, Designer need to learn how to quantify the results of their efforts. Advertisers, Consultants, Marketing people always compare their worth to a real amount generated or saved by their actions, we designer can easily do the same.
Some may call that insane, but this industry is unique in the fact that it kills itself from the bottom up.
- stem0
It's a tricky one that.
Always difficult to ask for a rise.
But it sounds like you've got a good case, extra responsibility, commitment etc. It's points like these you need to get across. Sorry I can't really help with a definite figure. I guess you are going to have to sit around 'the bosses' table with calculators at the ready!
It's mastering the fine art of being persuasive without appearing to cocky!
- gpop0
aye - without blowing my own trumpet the talent things not the issue here.
its the low rate i started at - the only rate i was offered for a long long time!
now if i fit the average rate id need to ask for a huge increase!!
hmmmm!but as long as im safe aiming into the 150-200 pit.
i just want em to see that its not a lot in comparison!
- stem0
Agreed slowpoke - some interesting points.
"Secondly, Designer need to learn how to quantify the results of their efforts."
This would be a great bargaining tool for all designers. Some work may generate millions for the client, but the designer may only charge for 10 hours work!!!
This is so difficult to work out, unless you have access to financial records of your clients etc.
I guess this is where 'marketing companies' have the upper hand, they tend to get much more involved with their clients, obviuosly taking into account their expenditure and income and percived growth etc.
With design/artwork the considerations tend to be more 'visually' biased.
I like St. Lukes approach...
- Chimp0
Yep I agree slowp. There needs to be something that stops people from constantly under cutting each other. Its not suprising that some poeple expect designers to work for free. Would a plumber do that?
- waynepixel0
What slowpoke said.
SPOT ON. :)
- stem0
Trouble is...
Would you like your affairs, earnings to be regulated by a 'governing body'?
What's wrong with a bit of healthy competition?
- gpop0
both are right but when you see juniors start out at 14k in london and 11k over the UK we should be concerned!
when I as the main designer and flash builder - infact normally soley start to finish from idents to brand to web, see say £1k or 2k i know that the job is an 8-10k i wonder if thats healthy!
- ********0
I'm a contractor Project Manager working mostly under Enterprise Architecture Software, but do use a number of different tools and manage two people.
As of now I receive $45/hr
What's that like ~£25/hr
Depends on the cost of living in your area though right?