Design Rates Of Pay
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- slowpoke0
Stem, excellent point
"I guess this is where 'marketing companies' have the upper hand, they tend to get much more involved with their clients"
I think (and i use my self as a worst case example here) we as designers would do well to take on board some lessons learnt in advertising and marketing and leave tackle the perception that designers aren't to be taken seriously. How this would be done is anyones guess, but you can belive that the business model for designers would have to look a hell of a lot different fom what it is now.
On the subject of a governing body, or union, I have a few ideas on this subject, and form speaking to people everyday, it seems like the majority are ready for somekind of organistation to take on the challenge of regulating designers standards, in the same way corgi defends the quality of plumbers. it's a grey area but worth looking at. I'll get round to putting a page up online dedicated to this as a discussion. If anyone is interested, I'll stick the url up here when it's done.
- stem0
I look forward to hearing your comments.
The 'graphics industry' is awash with cowboys armed with a pc and a copy of corel draw. This is not a bad thing, but these people also seem to have no qualifications or any talent. They do however have tonnes of ambition and have the 'gift of the gab'.
But how do the public/clients know what quality of work they are going to be getting for their money?
Greating 'trendy' artwork is only one small part of being a successful design company who can offer a professional service.
Just looking at the corgi website - I love this 'shop a cowboy' page
http://www.corgi-gas-safety.com/…
This would be useful
- gpop0
trouble is
how to regulate talent and diversity!
3 years ago companies such as non-format for example may have been frowned upon as shite wierdness - but now they are such an influence to many - etc etc
there should be a template in regards to pay on experience and skillls or at least a minimum.
junior that starts of at say 11k after 2 years in the same studio may only be on 14k - now after 2 years id say you should be on 20k.
its when you look around and mates that do shite jobs and are as such untrained and unprofessional are on more than someone thats been studying for maybe 4/5 years then 2 years in the job.
- ********0
I have my pay review in a couple of weeks. I don't know what to ask for really. I do 75% of all the design work in the company and a good chunk of the build aswell (for pretty big clients).
The problem is I started as a junior on 14k and already got a 5k payrise after 6 months. I feel I should be getting about £25k for what i do but that would be over 10k in payrises in a year.
Even if I do the work, should I get the money to go with it having only 18 months experience?
- stem0
I see where you are coming from, but I think what me and slowpoke are on about is something which covers far more than just the standard and aesthetic of the artwork, because as you (sort of) say, this is diverse and very subjective.
However, this doesn't mean that there cannot be regulations on working practice.
I've just gone on to;
http://www.designcouncil.org.uk/…and done a search for 'code of conduct' and 'working practices'
No joy!
But I this might be worth a look
http://www.designcouncil.org.uk/…
- gpop0
hmmm
i think 25k for a yeaar is a large lump - but then it depends on the work / the commitment / how much they need you!
if you were to go and they were to lose a couple of decent paid clients as a result then they will pay it - having said that - nobody is expendible!
mid weight is 25k so after your experience another couple of k on what you have now should be a good rate
- ********0
mid weight is 25k so after your experience another couple of k on what you have now should be a good rate
gpop
(Jun 14 05, 06:20)Thats the bit I can't get my head round. I'm quite happy with my lot so far, but if there is nobody above me, surely that makes me jnr, mid and snr in terms of the company I work for?
- kelpie0
you guys are all doing piles better than me btw.
My life stinks. And I have hayfever and an eye infection. And I'm still in here.
Fuck fuck fuck :(
- gpop0
haha piles and hayfever! ouch!
never stuck - just not moving yet!
dude - i would say we are all learning but the first two years count yourself as junior as we cram so much into that space - i know i did - now i feel a tad more "let me do it" rather than "can i can i"
you see jobs advertised 'junior designer, must have 3 years ex' i mean! whats that about
if you running the show you are the designer they want! either as a junior/mid or whatever! just let the rates go up to suit you as much as poss - if the whacked you up to 25k - you may not see much else for a few years!
- slowpoke0
Going back to my initial comment, the value of an employee and the wage paid to said employee seems completely unrelated in this day and age. If someone is (i speculate) working for a design firm, or an inhouse team, and doing 75% of the design AND building stuff too all for less than 20k a year then I have to ask, how much does that person earn his/her employer.
The maths does not add up, but the logic does. It's a buyers market. The world is full (as has already been pointed out) 'Graphic Designers' armed with a copy of whatever software touting their services. What the world isn't full of is qualified talented designer. These people are few and far between and should perhaps have a different name.
Whats the difference between coca-cola and Panda-Cola? I'll give you a clue. It aint fizzy and it aint wet.