swf decompiler
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- imakedesign0
well said.
great advice.
- rabattski0
so unfit you never ever looked at other people's code? never? not even view source?
- dijitaq0
are decompilers really necessary??
look for the tutorial or ask at a forum??
virtually the same result as using a decompiler. without having to pay for a decompiler. or are you gonna crack the decompiler too??
- unfittoprint0
tutorials != decompiled code
u should force yourself to understand.
by a test-error process.
you'll begin to understand without having the need to see the code.
the code you write has always a personal signature, a sequence that is part of your working process.
If I'm given someone else's I'll have to rewrite everything to suit my own coding standards.
- rabattski0
i disagree. ofcourse it ain't kosher but it depends on the motivation. you can learn a lot from other people's code, like someone said before you need to understand what you use from others in the first place and yes it's an trial and error process of which you learn the most but you don't have to invent the wheel all over again.
do you think all mathematicians will formulate all the base rules over and over again because they have to?
- unfittoprint0
"you can learn a lot from other people's code"
who said I didn't?
But only with those who are willing to share.
like me.
- rabattski0
well that's true, forums are more suitable and helpful for that i agree. hence me saying it isn't kosher but still i wouldn't go blaming people right away if they decompile a code for learning purposes.
- RustyBadge0
Detken, you left yourself open there mate. Don't worry about all the precious arseholes - if you need an SWF decompiler you jolly well get yourself one. If that helps you learn, then well done for you! You'll still need to be original and creative to outlast / keep up with all the wealth of talented Flash gurus out there...
I use Sothink SWF decompiler, by SourceTec. Or at least I will...I've not got round to it yet.
You go girl!
- ********0
SoThink:
http://www.sothink.com/flashdeco…
- spot130
Flash Decompiler by Eltima software is by far the best decompiler out there.
http://www.eltima.com/products/f…
There are many legitimate resons to use decompiler software and if you don't know much about Flash they arn't going to help as they don't recreate the FLA perfectly so you need to know how to fix them.
Occasionally clients will ask me to make a change to a Flash site I didn't develop so without decompilers it would take me days to recreate the site to make one minor change.
- rabattski0
spot13, just wondering, if the client doesn't have the source files it prolly means that the agency / freelancer who did the site didn't give it to them, so either your clients are going behind their backs or something suspicious happened (not paying their bills for instance). i seriously wouldn't work on such a project. fishy.
- ********0
it's totally fishy, and that's why those dogs make those apps
- spot130
When I do a Flash site I don't sell my Flash source files but I do sell the swf files. If my client decides to go somewhere else, which they are free to do, then they own the swf and cannot modify it.
If a client comes to me with the swf files, which they own the copyright to, and asks me to change something then I have no problem decompiling it and making the change.
- BONE0
is there a way to protect the swf from dcompiling?
i heard there was a lien of code decompilers can't handle?
- lvl_130
BONE, what unfit said above ^
- rabattski0
well there's no 100% watertight way to really protect anything, see, if it's man made it can be man unmade, a very simple but true rule. however you can make it as difficult as possible in order to scare most people off but still. anyways dito lvl_13, see unfit's post.
spot13, but isn't is still fishy? i mean redoing a site purely with the swf's is very inefficient, even if you can decompile it. i had potential clients asking me to redo their site and they only had the swf's. i said i need the source files. since then i've never heard of them. so go figure.
- unfittoprint0
actually what BONE's referring does work with some decompilers.
- spot130
Without going into great detail about the specifics of my projects. No, it wasn't fishy.
A decompiler is a tool, no one is going to base their career on decompiling swf's.
I can't believe that anyone would be so concerned about people looking at their actionscript. If you put it on the internet people are going to look at it. Even Google is working on decompiling software to make flash movies searchable.
- plashal0
The people who say “why steal; can’t you learn for yourself”. Leave the garbage outside in your constructed purest world. If you think your design is original then show us and we’ll spot the references from the many masters before you. If you think originality spawns from not being exposed from others who are doing what you do; in this case design, get off your high horse. The guy asked a simple question. If you don’t wanna answer then don’t, but don’t strut your fake master of the universe skills like you never knocked off a design being aesthetics or function.
- rabattski0
it's not my critique to decompiling it's just the practices some clients do that concerns me.
i can imagine that people are bothered by it. code is creative work as well and as copyrighted as any other material. i can imagine that it's not cool if you wrote a cool and unique routine that within no time it's copied and pasted. for me it's more the artwork, i don't like it when people can extract the artwork. for instance i've seen a fake batch of evan hecox prints, purely ripped from swf's.